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XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 09:58 PM
Nice Japanes planes are starting to surface and I like them. One question that araises is, if you are going to get an relistic senario waht planes should then be their oponets? Just the P40? Then again I'm not that familiar with the Russian/Japan conflict. It's just propably just me, I tenp to only favour the real realistic senarios.

Belzeebub

XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 09:58 PM
Nice Japanes planes are starting to surface and I like them. One question that araises is, if you are going to get an relistic senario waht planes should then be their oponets? Just the P40? Then again I'm not that familiar with the Russian/Japan conflict. It's just propably just me, I tenp to only favour the real realistic senarios.

Belzeebub

XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 10:02 PM
Early war battles you could have a zero and a tomahawk. Later war battles you could have a hell cat or a wildcat, but ofcourse, we dont got none of them.

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XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 10:14 PM
m_preddy wrote:
- Early war battles you could have a zero and a
- tomahawk. Later war battles you could have a hell
- cat or a wildcat, but ofcourse, we dont got none of
- them.
-

The upcoming Zero is from 1943, so P-40Ms and P-47s vs. Zeros should be pretty realistic for a 1943/44 scenario.

For a late war scenario, like 1944/45, Mustang vs. Ki84 should do for US vs. Japan and late Yaks/La5FN/7 vs.Ki84 should do for a USSR vs. Japan scenario when the Russians declared war on Japan (about mid 1945).





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XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 10:16 PM
what is the technical name for a zero?

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XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 10:29 PM
Photon__ wrote:
- what is the technical name for a zero?

US Name was the "Zeke" and the Japanese name was "Reisen"



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XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 10:30 PM
I don't think there were any russian japanese engagements in WWII. I could be wrong, but Russia declared war on Japan a day after we nuked them, then Japan surrendered a few days later. LMK if i'm wrong

rob

XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 10:33 PM
Photon__ wrote:
- what is the technical name for a zero?
-

Mitsubishi A6M5 Zero sen or Rei sen. Codenamed "Zeke" by the USA.





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XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 10:34 PM
CowboyTodd41 wrote:
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- Photon__ wrote:
-- what is the technical name for a zero?
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- US Name was the "Zeke" and the Japanese name was
- "Reisen"
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So it didn't have a name simular to bf-109, p-51 and alike?

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XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 10:39 PM
The Mitsubishi A6M Zero-Sen

XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 10:42 PM
Photon__ wrote:
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- So it didn't have a name simular to bf-109, p-51 and
- alike?
-

Yeah, the A6M5 /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif .





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XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 11:01 PM
---> http://www.danford.net/zero.htm

So "Zero" is merely the English translation of the Japanese character for a nul quantity, which was applied to the aircraft because it went into service in 2600. The Japanese called it Rei-sen, short for Rei (Zero) shiki (Type) sentoki (Fighter). Foreigners who like to parade their knowledge sometimes make a half-translation and call the plane "Zero-sen," but this is to conflate two languages. The correct usage is A6M, Rei-sen, or Zero.

XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 11:28 PM
In the pacific war, early stages, the p-40 tomahawk and the P-39 were used. Brewster Buffalo also. Later, P-38 and to a lesser extent, the P-51 and P-47 were used late in the war.
Would love to see a wildcat and more japanese planes. Maybe a G4M betty!

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XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 11:29 PM
A = Carrier-borne fighter
6 = Sixth carrier fighter procured
M = Mitsubishi
2 = Second variant of basic A6M design


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XyZspineZyX
11-07-2003, 12:21 AM
If you mean Airplanes & Squadrons the 310th FS 58th FG 5th AF faught them in p-47's from early 1943 till VJ day.

there were 4 squadrons in the 58th FG All flew p-47's

1: 69th FS- red cowls -call letters A1 thru A33.
nicknamed "The Werewolves"

2: 201st Fighter Mexicain Expoditionary Air Force
White cowls -Call letters 1 thru 33.
nicknamed "The Aztec Eagles"
they were the only mexican unit to participate in the war.
Mexico got involved after a U-boat sank to Mexican Merchant vessals in the Gulf of Mex. They were undr the command if the US 5th Af & asigned to the 58th FG till VJ day.

3: 310th FS- yellow cowls -call letters H34 thru H66
nicknamed "the tophats" Squad motto "Dressed to Kill"

4: 311th FS- blue cowls- V67 thru V99
i havent been able to find much info on the 311th. if any one turns up any please let me know about it. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Info on the 58th FG:

Air Forced Assigned To:
5th AF (Oct '43)

Stations Flown From: Sydney, Australia (Nov '43)
Brisbane, Australia (Nov '43 - Dec '43)
Dobodura, New Guinea (Dec '43 - April '44)
Saidor, New Guinea (April '44 - Aug '44)
Noemfoor (Aug '44 - Nov '44)
San Roque, Leyte (Nov '44 - Dec '44)
San Jose, Mindiro (Dec '44 - April '45)
Mangaldan, Luzon (April '45)
Porac, Luzon (April '45 - July '45)
Okinawa (July '45 - End WWII)

Campaigns Flown in: American Theatre
Air Offensive, Japan
New Guinea
Bismarck Archipelago
Western Pacific
Leyte
Luzon
China Offensive

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Philippine Presidential Unit Citation

Aces were:
(scores in the group only- some scored victories while flying in other groups or squadrons)
HQ: ˜

69th FS: ˜ 310th FS: ˜ 311th FS: ˜ 201st (Mexican) FS: ˜

Total Aircraft Claims A2A: Destroyed Probable Damaged
24 0 0


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XyZspineZyX
11-07-2003, 01:24 AM
roboas wrote:
- I don't think there were any russian japanese
- engagements in WWII. I could be wrong, but Russia
- declared war on Japan a day after we nuked them,
- then Japan surrendered a few days later. LMK if i'm
- wrong

I have to say you are wrong they were fighting eachother
already in 1939

so I would say
with the planes we have, and the planes we will get:

I-153s
I-16s
lagg3s
yaks
La5/7s
Gladiators
Hurricanes
Spitfires
P-39s
P-40s
P-47s
P-51s
P-63s
Buffalos
Boomerangs


against



Nates
Zeros
Franks
Raidens

I know I have forgotten some planes hmmmm





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XyZspineZyX
11-07-2003, 03:24 PM
S!

Yep the Russians and Japanese were fighting in 1939, at a place called the Golan Heights if im not mistaken. There the zero was taking on the I16's and maybe i think the early model yaks not sure on the Yaks though. I know Mazrshal Zukov was the general for the russian army out there by mongolia. This article was in WW2 magazine i think, ill double check. And from what i read the Russians pretty much handled the Japanese that they never again put pressure on Russia. The I16s held their own agains the early zeros.

Watsup

XyZspineZyX
11-07-2003, 06:03 PM
Watsup wrote:
- S!
-
- Yep the Russians and Japanese were fighting in 1939,
- at a place called the Golan Heights if im not
- mistaken. There the zero was taking on the I16's and
- maybe i think the early model yaks not sure on the
- Yaks though. I know Mazrshal Zukov was the general
- for the russian army out there by mongolia. This
- article was in WW2 magazine i think, ill double
- check. And from what i read the Russians pretty much
- handled the Japanese that they never again put
- pressure on Russia. The I16s held their own agains
- the early zeros.
-
- Watsup
-
-

Are you sure it was Zeros? Remember that the Zero was a NAVAL aircraft. There was a tendency to call all Japanese fighters "Zeros" in some quarters.

XyZspineZyX
11-07-2003, 06:13 PM
Photon__ wrote:
- what is the technical name for a zero?
-


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XyZspineZyX
11-07-2003, 06:21 PM
Watsup wrote:
- S!
-
- Yep the Russians and Japanese were fighting in 1939,
- at a place called the Golan Heights if im not
- mistaken. There the zero was taking on the I16's and
- maybe i think the early model yaks not sure on the
- Yaks though. I know Mazrshal Zukov was the general
- for the russian army out there by mongolia. This
- article was in WW2 magazine i think, ill double
- check. And from what i read the Russians pretty much
- handled the Japanese that they never again put
- pressure on Russia. The I16s held their own agains
- the early zeros.
-
- Watsup
-
-

I don't want to sound combative, but are you sure about this?

My understanding is that RU and Japan were in no way aggresive to one another during the war. Another oddity: Golan Heights? Are there two of them? What were Japanese pilots doing in Syria??

I'm confused.

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XyZspineZyX
11-07-2003, 06:25 PM
Here is a link to 1939 Russia vs Japan:

http://www.danford.net/nomonhan.htm


Looks like the Japanese were flying some Ki-27 aircraft.

XyZspineZyX
11-07-2003, 06:48 PM
Zyzbot wrote:
- Here is a link to 1939 Russia vs Japan:
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- <a href="http://www.danford.net/nomonhan.htm"
- target=_blank>http://www.danford.net/nomonhan.htm<
- /a>
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- Looks like the Japanese were flying some Ki-27
- aircraft.
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Thanks for the link.

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XyZspineZyX
11-07-2003, 07:00 PM
Nice to see so much good input! ( and some not so good)

I have serched and found that the RU / Jp conflict in manchuria was a limited one a no plane would actually fit (no JP kite). I think Mike_esp gives the earlie senario and Copperhead310th gives the later.

Now we only long for the USNAF Dauntless, Corsair, Hellcats..... but then again, that a complete new game.

Thank you

ZG77_Nagual
11-07-2003, 07:05 PM
Dont' forget the Brewster in the pac - the brits flew them. Also - I do believe there is a documented shootdown by a Russian P-63 pilot of a ki-84. Also, if I'm not mistaken - the last air to air of the pacific war was a p38 shooting down a ki84.

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XyZspineZyX
11-07-2003, 07:59 PM
I heard it was Ki100 damaging a B~32 on recce after the surrender. The Japanese Generals ordered the props removed from the fighters after that. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

XyZspineZyX
11-07-2003, 08:09 PM
I know that Saburo Sakai attacked a B-32 after the "offical end" of the war (he thought it was a B-29 at the tiem) but he was flying a Zero. There may have been others with him in other types of aircraft. He beleived they shot it down but "official" records say no.

XyZspineZyX
11-07-2003, 08:18 PM
Sakai's description of the B-32 event:

http://www.j-aircraft.com/research/stories/b32.html

Saburo Sakai's Last Battle

The war was over on August 15th, 1945, but Saburo Sakai's last combat mission took place two days after that day.

The 15th and the 16th went by quickly, and it was a little past 11:30 AM on the 17th when we suddenly heard an air raid alarm. We were caught totally off guard because we thought it was all over, and we all stood up with a tense feeling. Intelligence says the enemy is one large bomber flying up the Boso Peninsula. The war is over now, do they still want to fight?
"Commander what should we do? Intercept him?" I asked.
Lt.Cmdr Ibusuki hesitated for a moment, then called the Hikocho and asked something, hung up, and hollered "Start the engines!"
We surrounded Lt.Cmdr. Ibusuki with excitement.
"International law forbids us to attack the enemy after surrender, but it is okay to get back at planes that come to attack us. Come on men! Go get him!" he said.
The pilots who were all frustrated at the sudden surrender sprung on to their planes which were already started. There were ten Zeros and five or six Shiden-kais. I chose the nearest Zero. I thought I would never fly the Zero again, so I was very excited about having the chance to fly again.
It wasn't just because the Zero was nearest to me that I chose the Zero. Ever since it's debut in 1940, I was into my sixth year flying and fighting on the Zero. In fact a Shiden-kai, then the state-of-the-art fighter plane, was paked even closer to where I was than the Zero I flew. However, I instinctively chose the Zero, not even considering the Shiden-kai. the thought that flashed in my mind then was this;
"The Pacific War was started by the Zero. This is probably going to be the last air battle in WW2, and I would want to let the Zero place it's name in history as having fought that last battle!"
Three or four planes followed me up. We were heading for Narita. If you were not a pilot, you may wonder why we would still fight; the war was over and shooting down the enemy was not going to do us any good. On the contrary, we may lose our lives which had been saved. But such logic just did not make sense to us then.
At around this time, the Yokosuka Kokutai was working on the improvement of radio equipment on fighter planes and, performance had improved considerably, so we had no trouble finding the enemy. We found him at 6,000 meters. I had assumed the enemy was a B-29, but what I saw was a completely different aircraft. The single vertical stabilizer was enormous, and sweeped upwards towards the rear. I had never seen this plane before (I later found out that this was the Convair B-32 Dominator).
Altitude 6,000 meter is where the 2nd speed of the Zero's supercharger works best. My wingman got to him first and started shooting. The enemy was obviously surprised at the interception, and started fleeing south, shooting it's defensive guns frantically. I managed to catch up after a while, but the enemy's airspeed was very high. I made a run from the upper right side, but got interrupted by another Zero that got in my way. There were more fighters than the enemy so I had to wait for my turn to attack again. The enemy went into a shallow dive to increase air speed. It was so fast! I thought they used some kind of rocket acceralator device or something.
We had quickly flew past Tateyama and the enemy was fleeing towards Ohshima. I noticed that the enemy was trailing white smoke from the left wing root. Someone's bullet hit the enemy!
"We can get him", I thought. However, I was having a hard time catching up. I noted our fighters started turning back one by one. They were out of 20mm shells. I fired my last cannon shells. Several shells exploded on the enemy's right wing. My wingman followed with a burst. The enemy kept getting lower, and by the time it was near Miyake-jima, it was skimming the water. I thought I should confirm it going down, but if an enemy carrier was around, we would have to fight fresh fighters. Then it would be our turn to die. I turned around and headed back to Yokosuka Kokutai. If my memory is right, the other Zero that followed me to the last attack was another ace, PO1 Komachi.
This apparently became the last air battle of the Pacific War.
According to US records, on august 17th 1945, a B-32 that took off from Iwo Jima on a recon mission over Tokyo splashed down near the Izu islands due to malfunction. All crew were rescued.
Apparently, the action was legal and we were never questioned about this action by McArthur's forces.

Zero-sen No Saigo, Saburo Sakai 1995, ISBN4-06-207770-1

XyZspineZyX
11-07-2003, 08:22 PM
Watsup wrote:
- S!
-
- Yep the Russians and Japanese were fighting in 1939,
- at a place called the Golan Heights if im not
- mistaken.

Golan Heights. LOL, that made my day.


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XyZspineZyX
11-07-2003, 10:24 PM
oh.....okay /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Sakai wrote::
-- If my memory is right, the other Zero that followed me
-- to the last attack was another ace, PO1 Komachi.


---> http://www.danford.net/komachi.htm


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"I scrambled at once in response. You know, for years now in the south we had been receiving large aerial attacks from 50 to 100 bombers, and with escorting fighters included sometimes 200 two 300 enemy planes regular as clockwork like the morning post every morning, as we gulped down our breakfast. Probably it was this ingrained habit of scrambling immediately on hearing the air raid siren."

With any luck, Mr. Komachi would have time to prepare a deadly attack against bombers, perfected at the front in the Pacific war theatre, the vertical dive.

"You would climb steeply high above the enemy, advance parallel wuth them for a short distance, and then throw the fighter on its back into inverted flight, and then go instantly into vertical descent passing the enemy aircraft at 90 degrees, like a cross. Passing like this, firing guns and releasing air-to-air bombs, to strike the enemy, this was the vertical dive."

This time too Mr. Komachi executed a perfect vertical dive. The B-32 spewed smoke and looking a sorry state broke off and headed back towards Iwo Jima. But Mr. Komachi, in the middle of his vertical dive, shouted out "Damn!"(Note: shimatta!).

Certainly, his attack had had effect. But at the same time, Mr. Komachi became acutely aware that the aircraft he was flying was not his trusted Reisen, but was instead a Shiden-kai.

"After all, it was one of the newest aircraft, and its engine was much more powerful than that of the Reisen. Also the speed was different. And in the vertical dive, not only the engine power but also the weight of the aircraft combined to give a total speed more than double that of horizontal flight, so it seemed that in an instant I would hit the ground.

I pulled on the stick with all my might to go from dive to climb, with no effect. My body too was gripped by G-forces much greater than those I experienced with the Reisen. The edges of my vision went black. Oh no, I've screwed up! [edited for UBI] I thought."

Finally though, pulling on the stick three times what would have been needed in the Reisen he managed to pull out by a whisker, just above the sea surface.

The result of Mr. Komachi's exploit was that the high Navy staff went pale. Leaving pilots at their bases there was no way of telling what they might do, so the next morning Mr. Komachi and his comrades were awoken and sent back to their hometowns.

"I heard that the propellers were removed from all fighters at Yokosuka that same night.

Really, while we risked our lives fighting for so long, to be like thrown out and sent home packing at the end and thereafter hear absolutely nothing, you know, at the time it made me unbelievably angry.

But, regarding those B-32 crew members, even today I feel that what I did was really awful."

Happily, no downed aircraft was reported from the GHQ (Note: the Allied GHQ). However, there was another pilot at Yokosuka who scrambled with Mr. Komachi, but because his timing was late he were not able to launch an attack and instead watched Mr. Komachi's vertical dive from the air. On landing he came over and said the following to Mr. Komachi.

"That vertical dive just now, that was you, right? I could have guessed. When I saw that, I thought that must be Komachi-san, I was very impressed."

17th August 1945, and renowned Reisen pilot Komachi Sadamu's last air combat was over all too soon. At the same time, this was quite possibly the very last aerial action in the history of the Pacific war.

PROFILE:

Komachi Sadamu, former Imperial Japanese Navy Hiko Heisocho [Flight Warrant Officer]

1920 born in Ishikawa prefecture
1939 gradated 49th pilot class
1940, October, joined Akagi air group
1941, May, joined Shokaku air group

From that time on, as a Reisen pilot, participated in the air battles over Hawaii, Rabaul, New Guinea, Indian Ocean, Coral Sea, Solomons, Truk, Guam and so on.

XyZspineZyX
11-07-2003, 10:33 PM
Watsup wrote:
- S!
-
- Yep the Russians and Japanese were fighting in 1939,
- at a place called the Golan Heights if im not
- mistaken. There the zero was taking on the I16's and
- maybe i think the early model yaks not sure on the
- Yaks though. I know Mazrshal Zukov was the general
- for the russian army out there by mongolia. This
- article was in WW2 magazine i think, ill double
- check. And from what i read the Russians pretty much
- handled the Japanese that they never again put
- pressure on Russia. The I16s held their own agains
- the early zeros.
-
- Watsup
-
-

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XyZspineZyX
11-07-2003, 11:12 PM
The Empire of the Sun web site has a down loadable 1943 Multiplayer Coop Mission available.

Called Battle of the Bismarck sea, it contains historical Aircraft match ups, and some stand ins.

When the expansion pack is realeased into FB the B-25 will replace the IL-4, currently on the Allied side.

We also currently have the Blenhiem earliest model standing in for the Australian Beufighter using an Aussie Skin, as this was a joint American /Australian Air Operation against the Japanese in the Bismarck sea.

We can also add the P38 Lightning to this Coop as well when the p38 is released into FB.

The Mission can be played Off line on your own, or Online against other player.
The Mission is in Zip form, and comes with a complete set of Pacific Skins.

http://www.geocities.com/blackwulf1_2000/kg55.html

look for down loads page link from here, then go to bottom of down loads page.

S!

XyZspineZyX
11-07-2003, 11:24 PM
Reisen it was called Journey in German!

You mean Raiden mate like your Metal Gear Solid it explains it in there.

It was also called the Jack i think as a nickname

Wilhelm

XyZspineZyX
11-07-2003, 11:48 PM
Wilhelm_Hartas wrote:
- Reisen it was called Journey in German!
-
- You mean Raiden mate like your Metal Gear Solid it
- explains it in there.
-
- It was also called the Jack i think as a nickname
-
- Wilhelm



I'm pretty sure he meant Reisen...not Raiden.

The Mitsubishi A6M Reisen ("ree-sin") is what most people call a Japanese Zero Fighter

XyZspineZyX
11-07-2003, 11:57 PM
Watsup,

Drop the "hip hop" fo shizzle and READ some history...

Golan Heights...

nope, Khalkhin Gol!

http://www.danford.net/nomonhan.htm

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XyZspineZyX
11-08-2003, 12:20 AM
P-38!!