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Zeus-cat
02-20-2005, 03:00 PM
I have just started flying an offline dive bomber campaign. On my first mission I got hit by AAA after I pulled out from my dive (I sunk a freighter - woohoo!). Anyway, it wasn't until I got back to the carrier and prepared for landing that I realized that I had been damaged. I tried to put my gear down and got the message that my gear had been damaged. The right main gear wouldn't come down.

I thought about ditching, but I have had decent luck landing damaged planes with only one main wheel on grass runways. I decided to try to land and was amazed that I didn't kill myself. I landed, but almost hit the superstructure when the plane veered to the right after catchingg the cable. (The detail in this game amaze me sometimes).

Finally, my question is, what did naval pilots do in real life? I assume there were rules for these situations. Did they have to ditch when damaged like this? Did they allow them to land after everyone else did just in case they crashed and damged the flight deck? Anybody know what the policy was for World War II naval ops?

Zeus-cat

Zeus-cat
02-20-2005, 03:00 PM
I have just started flying an offline dive bomber campaign. On my first mission I got hit by AAA after I pulled out from my dive (I sunk a freighter - woohoo!). Anyway, it wasn't until I got back to the carrier and prepared for landing that I realized that I had been damaged. I tried to put my gear down and got the message that my gear had been damaged. The right main gear wouldn't come down.

I thought about ditching, but I have had decent luck landing damaged planes with only one main wheel on grass runways. I decided to try to land and was amazed that I didn't kill myself. I landed, but almost hit the superstructure when the plane veered to the right after catchingg the cable. (The detail in this game amaze me sometimes).

Finally, my question is, what did naval pilots do in real life? I assume there were rules for these situations. Did they have to ditch when damaged like this? Did they allow them to land after everyone else did just in case they crashed and damged the flight deck? Anybody know what the policy was for World War II naval ops?

Zeus-cat

Tailgator
02-20-2005, 04:05 PM
theres a movie around here somewhere that shows rl crash landings onto carriers

georgeo76
02-20-2005, 04:13 PM
ditch. Planes are easer replaced than pilots.

raisen
02-20-2005, 04:19 PM
ditch... or bale. These days I suppose naval aviators would resort to the "bang seat".

Raisen

FoolTrottel
02-20-2005, 04:20 PM
Dunno 'bout any rules regarding bringing back crippled planes to the deck.
But in the end it will be pilot's descision I guess, if the deck's been cleared for landing that is....
Might depend on alot of things:
- Weather conditions: in calm seas, you might prefer a ditch. Rough seas: ya don't.
- Wounded crew members: if any, land on deck.
- Are there any ships/vessels 'round to pick you up out of the sea?
- ???

Shakthamac
02-20-2005, 04:20 PM
i think it would depend on the severity of damage to the plane. it would probably also depend on how many other a/c were landing, since you dont want a fouled deck, whether the forward end had a/c on it or not, combat conditions, etc. after all, if it was standard naval practice to ditch, we wouldnt have all those movies about planes coming in damaged. same is true for the opposite.

I would surmise in my less than all knowing opinion that this might be true.

No ailerons: ditch, no elevator: bail, no rudder: land, no gear: ditch, damaged gear: judgement call

Latico
02-20-2005, 05:35 PM
I just landed tonight on a carrier with no aileron control. Was tricky though.

I suspect that sometimes a pilot may not know he doesn't have gear down, unless a wingman radios him and tells him. Would depend on the situation on deck, probably. If everyone returning is low on fuel ya probably should ditch near an escort and not foul the decks for the others. In Real life they would have probably shoved a crashlanded plane over the side anyway to expedite recovery ops.

jarink
02-20-2005, 06:51 PM
On US ships, the LSO (Landing Signals Officer; he stood near the fantail and would signal pilots using flags or lights instructions for landing) would signal or wave them off if their gear or hook was not extended.

Waldo.Pepper
02-21-2005, 12:03 AM
I have video of damaged planes landing on the deck. One of them is a Corsair landing with no gear and getting into the barrier.

It was done.

Depends on the situation, like everything else.

Yimmy
02-21-2005, 09:15 AM
Better to land with gear up, than only one down.

FRAGAL
02-21-2005, 10:22 AM
Think the captains preferred if you tried to land on the carrier, i certainly would waste of material otherwise even if you do write the plane off on landing (and get away without it catchin fire) the ground crew would still be able to strip it for spare parts then dump the airframe over the side

raisen
02-21-2005, 06:56 PM
Latico.... Wingmen certainly do routine visual checks of damaged a/c/ these days. Probably did during wwII too.

p1ngu666
02-21-2005, 07:34 PM
yep they did in ww2
if u had damaged gear, u flew around and landed last if at all possible...
swordfish pilot did it when he lost a wheel to flak, he landed safely i think

Liquid-Koshed
02-21-2005, 10:37 PM
Havent read anywhere that an specific order was given to ditch all damaged planes but it must of happened with hung bomb loads for example they seemed pretty keen to not get wet lol
1gear landing
http://www.gamespec.co.uk/cap003.jpg
http://www.gamespec.co.uk/1%20gear%202.jpg
http://www.gamespec.co.uk/1%20gear%204.jpg

out of gas
http://www.gamespec.co.uk/cap005.jpg
http://www.gamespec.co.uk/cap006.jpg

Lands with burning incendiaries onboard

http://www.gamespec.co.uk/cap002.jpg

eddiemac0
02-22-2005, 06:59 PM
neat photos Liquie Koshed