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Axe99
10-08-2010, 03:42 PM
Anti-tank is one of the best counters to armour, if youíre just looking at armour vs AT. However, AT is vulnerable to pretty much everything else, and can be fairly vulnerable to armour unless itís used properly. When using AT, make sure itís backed up by recon (so it gets its full range) and, if possible, let your enemy come to you Ė this is particularly important if youíre using AT which canít fire when moving (most of them). AT is, however, plenty cheap, and packs a hefty punch against tanks (most advanced tank destroyers do the same anti-armour damage as a King Tiger, and generally for less than half the cost). Also, static (towed) AT (with the exception of the Italian Breda and German 88mm) can be hidden in forests.

Iíll organise this by nation this time. Some things to look out for when checking out AT is range (AT does 400m, 450m, 500m and 600m Ė if the tanks your attacking out-range your AT, then it wonít last long. Most medium tanks (all bar the Panther) are less than 400m range (although watch out for the SAU40ís assault gun, with itís 650m range), so if youíre facing an early tank rush, the bargain-basement static AT will out-range anything coming at you. But most advanced heavy tanks have 500m range (except the IS-2, Carro P-26 and Churchill), which means a late-game tank attack will be a much tenser affair.

There are four different levels of damage AT guns do:
<UL TYPE=SQUARE><LI> Level 1 Ė 31 vs 15mm armour, 7 vs 75mm armour.
<LI> Level 2 Ė 50 vs 15mm armour, 8 vs 75mm armour.
<LI> Level 3 Ė 100 vs 15mm armour, 12 vs 75mm armour.
<LI> Level 4 Ė 121 vs 15mm armour, 15 vs 75mm armour.
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*Note that even the weakest anti-armour fighter bombers (Guppy, Sparviero) do 18 damage vs level 5 armour, so if their tanks donít have air cover, this is the best way to smash Ďem. However, planes take far longer to re-arm and re-fire than AT guns.

Without further ado:

US

The US has some pretty solid static (towed) AT options in the game Ė both of its towed-AT options cost $10, with the 157mm doing level 2 damage at 450m range, and the M5 76mm, doing level 3 damage at 500m range (but costing $50 to upgrade).

Itís mobile (self-propelled) AT options (also known as Tank Destroyers, or TDs) arenít too shabby either Ė the Wolverine only does level 2 damage at 400m range, but requires no research, only costs $15/pop, and has a turret so can fire while moving. The Jackson does level 4 damage at 500m, costs $20/pop (cheapest advanced TD) Ė although requires $50 research Ė and also has a turret so can fire while moving. The only real weakness here are the thin armour on itís TDís Ė 15mm on the Wolverine and 30mm on the Jackson. Both are relatively quick, motoring along at 31km/hr.

Germany

Germanyís PAK 36, while cheap ($5), only does level 1 damage at 400m. Itís PAK 40 only costs $25 to upgrade, costs $15/pop and does level 3 damage at 500m. Germany also gets the multirole and very-long range Flak 88m from its Arty and AA base, which as well as shooting up planes, does level 3 damage at 600m for $40/pop Ė although it canít be hidden in forests, which means itís vulnerable to artillery once itís in action (or all the time, if youíre not using radio silence).

Itís in mobile AT that Germany punches above its weight. The Marder, at $15/pop after only 25 research, does level 3 damage over 500m, although canít fire while moving, and only has 15mm armour. The Jagdpanther, for a heftier $30/pop after 75 (cumulative) research, does level 4 damage over 500m, also canít fire while moving but has tough 60mm armour. Both motor along at 31 km/hr.

UK

The UKís static (towed) AT are exactly the same as the US in terms of damage (the US used UK guns) Ė itís first-level AT options cost $10, with the 4pdr doing level 2 damage at 450m range. Strangely enough, the UK charges the US less than it charges itself for its top-tier AT, with the $15/pop 17pdr, doing level 3 damage at 500m range (and costing $50 to upgrade).

The UK has some pretty handy mobile AT options as well Ė the Archer only costs $25 to research and $10/pop thereafter, has 30mm armour and does level 3 damage at 400m, but lacks a turret. The Firefly, while expensive (100 cumulative research, 75 if you already have the Archer) and $25/pop, has 45mm armour and does level 4 damage at 500m, and comes with a bonus turret for all your shooting-while-moving needs. Both travel at around 31 km/hr.

France

France has, without doubt, the best static AT in the game, as both are available at the start of the game for no research. The low-end ($5) AT 25mm does level 1 damage at 400m, while the high-end ($10) AT 47mm does level 3 damage at 500m.

Franceís mobile AT options are more mixed, however Ė itís Laffly W15 is available with no research, and does level 3 damage at 500m for $10/pop, but with vehicle armour, itíd want to stop those tanks before they get in range. The Lorraine, on the other hand, costs $25 after $50 research, has 30mm armour and does level 4 damage at 500m, so isnít too shabby, but is outclassed by the similarly-priced Jackson and Firefly. Both travel at around 31 km/hr, and neither have turrets.

Italy

Italyís base AT is the $10 AT 47mm, which does level 2 damage at 450m. However, Italy also gets (from its AT base, despite its name) the AA 90mm, which as well as shooting up planes, does level 3 damage at 600m for $40/pop Ė although it canít be hidden in forests, which means itís vulnerable to artillery once itís in action (or all the time, if youíre not using radio silence).

Italyís mobile AT is (like its armour) a bit of a mixed bag. From the AT base, it only gets the $20/pop after $25 research (turretless, so no moving and shooting) Semovente. This does an impressive level 4 damage over 500m, and is the quickest of the mobile AT options (35km/hr) but only has 15mm armour. It also has, however (from its prototype base), the Breda 90/53, which is essentially an AA 90mm on the back of at truck Ė so level 3 AT at 600m range, but only vehicle armour.

USSR

The USSR has the Ďstandardí two static AT options Ė the $10 AT 45mm, thatíll do level 2 damage over 450m, and the $10 (after $50 research) AT 76mm, thatíll do level 3 damage over 500m.

On the mobile AT side, the USSR has the SU-85, which for $15/pop after only $25 research will do level 2 damage over 400m, and has 45mm armour. If youíre fighting the big boys though, youíll want the SU-100, which for $25/pop after a cumulative $75 research does level 4 damage over 500m, with 60mm armour. No turrets on either, so let the enemy tanks come to you. For some reason, the USSR lucked out on speed with their AT, which unlike the rest of the worldís, only plod along at 27km/hr (slightly slower than the USSRs generally 30km/hr later-era tanks).

So, what to make of all of that?

Other than Italy, every faction has its Ďtwo tiersí of static AT, for varying (but generally reasonable) price, and these are good deterrents to early tank rushes (and can be useful in a combined defence against late tank rushes Ė I played a silver league in a 1v1 ranked yesterday that kept running his Super Pershings into my M5 76mms, although donít always expect to be this lucky!). Note that AT also generally dispose of armoured recon in one shot.

If youíre facing enemy arty with recon, though, youíll want something with armour, and preferably 45mm or better, and thatís where the factions start to differentiate themselves. There are only four 45mm+ armoured AT units in the game (Germanyís Jagdpanther, UKís Firefly, and the USSRís SU-85 and SU-100). At a pinch you can make do with the 30mm armoured US Jackson of French Lorraine, but poor Ďole Italy can find itself particularly vulnerable to an armoured column supported by concentrated arty.

InfiniteStates
10-08-2010, 05:31 PM
Another great unit comparison post mate http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Although to be fair, all AT guns, whether hidden in trees or not, are susceptible to artillery when they fire...

Joppsta
10-08-2010, 05:38 PM
Originally posted by BP_Charlie:
Another great unit comparison post mate http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Although to be fair, all AT guns, whether hidden in trees or not, are susceptible to artillery when they fire... Yup.

Also it may be a good note to add that TD's supported by heavy tanks are a good combination.. although not fullproof and somewhat expensive.

GunnersMate07
10-08-2010, 05:49 PM
Another fantastic mini guide by axe. These really should get a sticky thread!

Axe99
10-08-2010, 07:58 PM
Originally posted by BP_Charlie:
Another great unit comparison post mate http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Although to be fair, all AT guns, whether hidden in trees or not, are susceptible to artillery when they fire...

Glad you liked it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.

Sorry for the ambiguity on vulnerability to arty, may not have written that bit as well as possible - damn complicated game RUSE, lots of things to think about, too much for my lil' head http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.'

Units in forest do take less damage, and will be hidden until reconnoitered or engaged, whereas the AA 90mm and Flak 88m will need radio silence to keep them safe (as well the TD's with lower armour, and the truck-mounted Breda 90/53).

Had never paid the Jackson enough attention until I had a close look at the TDs. Helped hammer someone's Pershing rush this morning, lots of fun http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.

fattoler
10-09-2010, 04:21 AM
The funny thing about the archer was that it had to drive in reverse to get it's gun facing the enemy, yes, they placed the 17pdr gun BACKWARDS on the Valentine's chassis.

Axe99
10-09-2010, 03:17 PM
Originally posted by fattoler:
The funny thing about the archer was that it had to drive in reverse to get it's gun facing the enemy, yes, they placed the 17pdr gun BACKWARDS on the Valentine's chassis.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif Now that's funny! I'm glad they didn't bring that over to the game, I suspect we'd be getting a lot of "What the hey" questions if they had http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif (from me as well, I had no idea). You deffo know your Brit armour fattoler http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif.

fattoler
10-09-2010, 07:20 PM
Originally posted by Axe_99au:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by fattoler:
The funny thing about the archer was that it had to drive in reverse to get it's gun facing the enemy, yes, they placed the 17pdr gun BACKWARDS on the Valentine's chassis.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif Now that's funny! I'm glad they didn't bring that over to the game, I suspect we'd be getting a lot of "What the hey" questions if they had http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif (from me as well, I had no idea). You deffo know your Brit armour fattoler http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well I DID work for The Bovington Tank museum in Dorset so I was able to pick a few things up...

VVidar
10-09-2010, 07:32 PM
Originally posted by fattoler:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Axe_99au:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by fattoler:
The funny thing about the archer was that it had to drive in reverse to get it's gun facing the enemy, yes, they placed the 17pdr gun BACKWARDS on the Valentine's chassis.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif Now that's funny! I'm glad they didn't bring that over to the game, I suspect we'd be getting a lot of "What the hey" questions if they had http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif (from me as well, I had no idea). You deffo know your Brit armour fattoler http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well I DID work for The Bovington Tank museum in Dorset so I was able to pick a few things up... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ahh, so you probably saw that Tiger 121 being restored and on the move then. A rare sight indeed, the only one in the world in fact.

I would have liked to see that Archer driver turn around to take a shot in RUSE though.

fattoler
10-09-2010, 08:02 PM
Yep, I was there during the tankfest which was freaking sweet. As for the Archer, It was surprisingly effective despite the "Reverse into battle" problem, because you could get away from your firing position once they spotted you and the low profile of the tank was a great asset in an ambush. However my favourite tank (ok, technically an armoured fighting vehicle) at Bovington was the Preying Mantis

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f6/Universal_Carrier_Praying_Mantis_1_Bovington.jpg

Unsurprisingly, the War Office turned it down for being impractical,

Axe99
10-09-2010, 08:52 PM
Very cool fattoler http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif. And lol at the Praying Mantis!

fattoler
10-09-2010, 09:10 PM
It was designed to shoot over hedgerows and walls, but they scrapped the project because it was pretty much a one trick pony and the war was drawing to a close. However it would be perfect for irate married couples following their unfaithful spouses to cheap motels...