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XyZspineZyX
08-07-2003, 08:02 AM
<center>NORTHROP P-61C "BLACK WIDOW"
<center><img src"http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/air_power/ap25.jpg">
<left>
The heavily-armed Black Widow was this country's first aircraft specifically designed as a night-fighter. In the nose, it carried radar equipment which enabled its crew of two or three to locate enemy aircraft in total darkness and fly into proper position to attack.
<Center><img src"http://www.zenoswarbirdvideos.com/Images/P-61T.gif">
<left>
The XP-61 was flight-tested in 1942 and delivery of production aircraft began in late 1943. The P-61 flew its first operational intercept mission as a night fighter in Europe on July 3, 1944, and later was also used as a night intruder over enemy territory. In the Pacific, a Black Widow claimed its first "kill" on the night of July 6, 1944. As P-61s became available, they replaced interim Douglas P-70s in all USAAF night fighter squadrons. During WW II, Northrop built approximately 700 P-61s; 41 of these were -Cs manufactured in the summer of 1945 offering greater speed and capable of operating at higher altitude. Northrop fabricated 36 more Black Widows in 1946 as F-15A unarmed photo-reconnaissance aircraft.

The Black Widow on display was presented to the U.S. Air Force Museum by the Tecumseh Council, Boy Scouts of America, Springfield, Ohio, in 1958. It is painted and marked as a P-61B assigned to the 550th Night Fighter Squadron serving in the Pacific in 1945.

SPECIFICATIONS
Span: 66 ft.
Length: 49 ft. 7 in.
Height: 14 ft. 8 in.
Weight: 35,855 lbs. loaded
Armament: Four .50-cal. machine guns in upper turret and four 20mm cannons in belly; 6,400 lbs. of bombs
Engines: Two Pratt & Whitney R-2800s of 2,100 hp. ea.
Cost: $170,000
Serial number: 43-8353
Displayed as: 42-39368 (P-61B)

PERFORMANCE
Maximum speed: 425 mph
Cruising speed: 275 mph
Range: 1,200 miles
Service Ceiling: 46,200 ft.

Drawings-
Cut away view:
<img-src"http://www.zenoswarbirdvideos.com/Images/P-61/P-61cut.gif">
Cockpit:
Front-
<img src"http://www.zenoswarbirdvideos.com/Images/P-61/P-61Bcockpitfront.gif">
Right-
<img src"http://www.zenoswarbirdvideos.com/Images/P-61/P-61Bcockpitright.gif">



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Message Edited on 08/07/0302:04AM by Copperhead310th

XyZspineZyX
08-07-2003, 08:02 AM
<center>NORTHROP P-61C "BLACK WIDOW"
<center><img src"http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/air_power/ap25.jpg">
<left>
The heavily-armed Black Widow was this country's first aircraft specifically designed as a night-fighter. In the nose, it carried radar equipment which enabled its crew of two or three to locate enemy aircraft in total darkness and fly into proper position to attack.
<Center><img src"http://www.zenoswarbirdvideos.com/Images/P-61T.gif">
<left>
The XP-61 was flight-tested in 1942 and delivery of production aircraft began in late 1943. The P-61 flew its first operational intercept mission as a night fighter in Europe on July 3, 1944, and later was also used as a night intruder over enemy territory. In the Pacific, a Black Widow claimed its first "kill" on the night of July 6, 1944. As P-61s became available, they replaced interim Douglas P-70s in all USAAF night fighter squadrons. During WW II, Northrop built approximately 700 P-61s; 41 of these were -Cs manufactured in the summer of 1945 offering greater speed and capable of operating at higher altitude. Northrop fabricated 36 more Black Widows in 1946 as F-15A unarmed photo-reconnaissance aircraft.

The Black Widow on display was presented to the U.S. Air Force Museum by the Tecumseh Council, Boy Scouts of America, Springfield, Ohio, in 1958. It is painted and marked as a P-61B assigned to the 550th Night Fighter Squadron serving in the Pacific in 1945.

SPECIFICATIONS
Span: 66 ft.
Length: 49 ft. 7 in.
Height: 14 ft. 8 in.
Weight: 35,855 lbs. loaded
Armament: Four .50-cal. machine guns in upper turret and four 20mm cannons in belly; 6,400 lbs. of bombs
Engines: Two Pratt & Whitney R-2800s of 2,100 hp. ea.
Cost: $170,000
Serial number: 43-8353
Displayed as: 42-39368 (P-61B)

PERFORMANCE
Maximum speed: 425 mph
Cruising speed: 275 mph
Range: 1,200 miles
Service Ceiling: 46,200 ft.

Drawings-
Cut away view:
<img-src"http://www.zenoswarbirdvideos.com/Images/P-61/P-61cut.gif">
Cockpit:
Front-
<img src"http://www.zenoswarbirdvideos.com/Images/P-61/P-61Bcockpitfront.gif">
Right-
<img src"http://www.zenoswarbirdvideos.com/Images/P-61/P-61Bcockpitright.gif">



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Message Edited on 08/07/0302:04AM by Copperhead310th

XyZspineZyX
08-07-2003, 08:07 AM
well once agin i cant post images. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif
so here is a great source. Zenos has a welth of info on the p-61. here
< http://www.zenoswarbirdvideos.com/MoreP-61Stuff.html>
Including cut away diagams cockpit photos the works.
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XyZspineZyX
08-07-2003, 08:14 AM
Thanks for the info Copperhead. Luckly I have been able to find a lot of information on the web about the P-61. Much more then I have been able to find about other planes, even the Mosquito.

I am just looking for a place to post a render of the model that I made this afternoon, and some place to post my progress. With Il-2 center down, I was just hoping for another place unill it gets back on its feet.

Gibbage said that he would but I haven't heard from him today, and I just wanted to show off.

Clay

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XyZspineZyX
08-07-2003, 08:26 AM
Drools.........This is one of the best nightfighters of the war and well just one of the most interesting planes the US made in WW2. One of my favs!
Good Luck and God speed

XyZspineZyX
08-07-2003, 08:28 AM
Clay are you doing the p-61b or P-61 C?

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XyZspineZyX
08-07-2003, 08:38 AM
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XyZspineZyX
08-07-2003, 08:54 AM
Right now I am just going to do the P61-A. I know that there were fewer of them but it would be easier to put into the game.

With the P61A, they had problems with the turrets. First because they where needed for B-29 and also because they caused alot of buffeting when the turned. As a result, most A's didn't have turrets. Ones who did generaly left the gunners at home and locked the turrest in the forward possition to be fired by the pilot along the the 20mm's.

P61B w/turret would be a little harder to put directly into the game. First of all, the pilot and the radio/radar opporator share one gun. Not a huge problem but it may require some code. But also, the pilot and gunner where equipped with night vision binoculars that fitted over the gunsights. And Oleg does not have anything like "night vision" in the game right now. I guess you could just crank up the gamma on your monitor. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

P-61C never saw combat. But it would fit in to a 1946 game.

So I am just going to do a P-61A first with the 4 50. cals and then do a P-61B. The only difference is that the nose is 8 inches longer and I will have to model the gunners cockpit.



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XyZspineZyX
08-07-2003, 10:43 AM
Ok Clay i posted that screen shot you sent me over at the 310th site. you can vie it here:

< http://members.tripod.com/tophatssquadron/ ( <A HREF=)id68.htm>" target=_blank>http://members.tripod.com/tophatssquadron/id68.htm></a>


As for the gun turret...we are getting a IA B-17 with ball turret. I dont think it would be that much extra codeing..but then again i dont know jack about coding./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

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XyZspineZyX
08-07-2003, 12:39 PM
re: nightfighers...

Wonder why these (or other suitable allied fighters) weren't sent up to try to clear some of the LW nightfighers that were trashing the Lancs...

Not as escort, but on hunter/killer missions to take out LW nightfighters...

XyZspineZyX
08-07-2003, 12:56 PM
jensenpark wrote:
- re: nightfighers...
-
- Wonder why these (or other suitable allied fighters)
- weren't sent up to try to clear some of the LW
- nightfighers that were trashing the Lancs...
-
- Not as escort, but on hunter/killer missions to take
- out LW nightfighters...
-

Probably because the blue-on-blue risk was too high. And maybe because of range considerations?

AFAIK nightfighters are a purely defensive concept, designed to operate over friendly (and radar-covered) territory.

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XyZspineZyX
08-07-2003, 01:02 PM
If this plane is modelled in the sim, do you think it will be possible for them to add the radar system given the current coding?

cheers

OJ

XyZspineZyX
08-07-2003, 01:09 PM
OJ79 wrote:
- If this plane is modelled in the sim, do you think
- it will be possible for them to add the radar system
- given the current coding?
-

No idea. My guess would be that it would mean quite a lot of extra work, so it's probably not likely.

"... probably not likely"? Now there's disclaimer. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
08-07-2003, 02:01 PM
Theres alot of references out there good luck if your serious about building it

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XyZspineZyX
08-07-2003, 02:09 PM
jensenpark wrote:
- re: nightfighers...
-
- Wonder why these (or other suitable allied fighters)
- weren't sent up to try to clear some of the LW
- nightfighers that were trashing the Lancs...
-
- Not as escort, but on hunter/killer missions to take
- out LW nightfighters...


In fact, they were used that way on occasion. I have read several stories about Mosquitos used as night intruders and operating around known Luftwaffe night fighter bases in order to shoot them down.
-

XyZspineZyX
08-07-2003, 04:24 PM
Ya, they would wait until the german night fighters were low on fuel and landing, acting like that would get you banned on some servers now adays.

- In fact, they were used that way on occasion. I have
- read several stories about Mosquitos used as night
- intruders and operating around known Luftwaffe night
- fighter bases in order to shoot them down.
--
-

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XyZspineZyX
08-07-2003, 04:45 PM
http://www.gibbageart.com/clay/p61_3view.jpg



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