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TheGozr
05-03-2006, 01:35 PM
what if ? hum.... are they going to make a "A" bomb for germany too ? Attack on NY city?
German's UFO carpture? next addon will be "Roswell 1947".. ( "Korea 1950" sound good and more realistic to me )
Hum.... Please voice your Opinion, Good ? bad? cons?

hotspace
05-03-2006, 01:38 PM
Fingers crossed its all the prop planes we haven't got yet, but we know that have been made http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/partyhat.gif

darkhorizon11
05-03-2006, 01:44 PM
Originally posted by TheGozr:
"A" bomb for germany too ? Attack on NY city?
German's UFO carpture? next addon will be "Roswell 1947"..

God I hope so. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

GrinderX9
05-03-2006, 01:45 PM
I for one like the "what if?" idea. And I love the first jet planes, cant wait for the Ar234 and Ta183, whorth the prise of all the addons alone http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Brain32
05-03-2006, 01:48 PM
Agree completely for all the "UFO"/experimental stuff I say bring it on, why not. Besides Ar234 belongs to this sim almost as much as Me262 so it's not all fantasy and who knows what else awaits us...

georgeo76
05-03-2006, 01:49 PM
I think most of the '46 AC will be relegated to offline play just as some of the '45 AC have been.

italianofalco
05-03-2006, 02:10 PM
:disagree http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/disagree.gif I whish that Mr. Oleg and Team FIRST OF ALL can solve some heavy bugs of FM and AI and some bad issues of HISTORIC WW II 40-45 planes we yet have in FB- this is way more important of FANTASY game/situation. I suggest you guys who want this things to buy CRIMSON'S SKIES MS (it is on sale now too http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif) - Falco

Low_Flyer_MkVb
05-03-2006, 02:11 PM
He's got a point.

TheGozr
05-03-2006, 02:19 PM
italianofalco
I am 100 % agree, as i posted some time ago about an addon that would correct many oldies.

FI-Skipper
05-03-2006, 02:20 PM
I think its a terrible idea...sort out the other bugs in the game and give us more prop planes that actually saw action....none of this experimental tosh!

VMF-214_HaVoK
05-03-2006, 02:24 PM
Korea 1950 makes way more sense to me then VVS46 whatif addon. I will most likely buy it reguardless even though it does not interrest me whatsoever. Im sure it appeals to those that live in Russia though and that who these addons were intended for in the first plance. Although Im sure they would love to fly a Mig-15 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

italianofalco
05-03-2006, 02:30 PM
as I see some guys in this forum that are trying to "push" this not-for-all idea of '46 planes with lots of post, screenshot ecc.ecc.. I ask to anyone better qualified tham me if It would be possible to open a tread/poll about who prefer a increase/adjustment/add-on of HISTORIC 40-45 planes instead of this '46-crimson's planes - Falco

Viper2005_
05-03-2006, 02:33 PM
Well it certainly appeals to me. Hopefully there will be enough jets for the red team to make a balanced planeset so that there's a chance of seeing these wonderful new aeroplanes online.

F19_Ob
05-03-2006, 02:40 PM
I want purely ww2 planes that flew during ww2 and not Fantasy or "what if's". http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif
Although I am interested in jets I think the post-war jets and planes have no place in a ww2 sim. U could just aswell have Vietnam and Irak aswell then.

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Korea and similar can have (and deserve ) an own sim. Would be logical, since the coming ww1-sim will be.
It would have been much more sane to incorporate ww1 planes instead since some of them flew in ww2 aswell.
Jets and "what if"-planes Unnessesarily gives the sim an air of 'arcade world' and diverts the light from the best ww2 sim.

Concerning the market and sales it's not tactically a so smart a move to divide the community.
Atleast my belief is that many dont like "fantasy" and/or post-war era planes at all.

Well, what I think.

And they still have not made a single tree or tree-pack (wink-wink). Instead they engage in making a long row fantasy stuff. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

waffen-79
05-03-2006, 03:10 PM
well Il-10 is Beta now and VVS'46 is "In Development" I guess if some of you rise your voice or whine enough it could be cancelled and press for an ultimate patch that fixes for example the 190 cockpit

but I hope you won't succeed http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif I want my Ar-234

j/k http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

gotha_g.IV
05-03-2006, 03:19 PM
I'd like to have the Eurofighter in it.

italianofalco
05-03-2006, 03:23 PM
Posted Wed May 03 2006 13:30
as I see some guys in this forum that are trying to "push" this not-for-all idea of '46 planes with lots of post, screenshot ecc.ecc.. I ask to anyone better qualified tham me if It would be possible to open a tread/poll about who prefer a increase/adjustment/add-on of HISTORIC 40-45 planes instead of this '46-crimson's planes - Falco
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/touche.gif --AUTO-BUMP!--- http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif - Falco

BfHeFwMe
05-03-2006, 07:58 PM
Your all wrong, it's Whirlwind of Vietnam, a helicopter flight simulator. Just go ahead an laugh noob's. But I'm right! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif

XyZspineZyX
05-03-2006, 08:22 PM
I really look forward to it. Having "Alternate History" campaigns will be excellent for offline campaigning. I really look forward to dogfighting in jets over the Eastern Front. The matchups between the late war German fighters & the new Soviet prop planes will be something to behold.

Freelancer-1
05-03-2006, 08:31 PM
As I see enough UFOs on HyperLobby every night, I say patch it up, put it to bed and get to work on BOB. That is something I'd like to see happen this year rather than next.

Agamemnon22
05-03-2006, 09:02 PM
I like the idea of the '46 add-on, if only because this is as far as I know the first, and, quite possibly, the last, time anyone with development resources has the will to resurrect those planes.

While I think the novelty will wear off pretty quickly, a good set of hypothetical '46 campaigns, and (fingers crossed) a dedicated online host or three, with good missions, will breathe a lot of life into the expansion.

Lookin' forward to it.

CUJO_1970
05-03-2006, 09:52 PM
I think Oleg should call it the "STFU You Bunch of Whiney *** Little Crybabies Expansion Pack"

Pardon my French.

csThor
05-03-2006, 09:56 PM
The basic problem as I see it is simply the following:

To me it seems to be less work for Maddox Games to incorporate new planes (what-if planes at that) than fiddling endlessly with the FMs of the other planes. It also looks as if Maddox Games has drastically cut back the amount of support for the Il-2 engine and is finally concentrating on BoB.
Secondly fiddling with the FM of the historically important planes hasn't led to faultless FMs by now. Given the enormous size of the whole FM module (Oleg's own words) and the difficulty of correcting errors without breaking anything else I simply doubt Maddox Games bothers anymore. The AddOns were made by a 3rd Party company, they simply add the content and the rest of th external objects/maps and be done with the Il-2 engine.

My 0,02 " ...

papotex
05-03-2006, 10:05 PM
I like how jets can be simulated with this game engine.

in my opinion this sim has many little things in it already that I treat as its own little game within the game.

more jets adds more to that goodness.

What this game needs is a retaliatory dinamic campagin engine like MIG ALLEY or FALCON or the ENEMY ENGAGED series.

Blottogg
05-06-2006, 02:59 PM
papotex, I was just thinking the opposite. The current sim engine lacks any commpressibility effects, and doen't model atmospheric changes above 10,000m, and so doesn't serve to model jets very well. Add to that the Ai diparities (no blackout, radar vision, no overheat) and I'm not looking forward to off-line '46 campaigns with too much enthusiasim. I'll still purchase the add-on, and at least take all the new jets out for a test flight, but I think the current engine is much better suited to a WWI adaptation (which is in the works) than '46 or Korea.

Agamemnon22 has a good point though. Many of the '46 aircraft aren't modeled in any other sim AFAIK, so just seeing them in a sim is a treat. Hopefully the BoB engine will be robust enough to do more justice to a Korea development, but for now we at least will be able to try out aircraft like the MiG-9 and Ta-183.

ploughman
05-06-2006, 03:04 PM
Did we not have a patch in which the AI was modelled to the same level as the player's aircraft. 3.04? Something like that, or maybe 4.01. Then it went away (4.03?) That's one reason why we don't always pay for our patches, we get to be guinea pigs for BoB, not that I mind, Microshaft gets folk to pay to beta test their products.

That was a great AI though, the current one is so 2.04.

RCAF_Irish_403
05-06-2006, 03:42 PM
Of all the add-ons, this is the one i'm skeptical about http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/typing.gif

Monty_Thrud
05-06-2006, 04:52 PM
Yup...the only way i'll be interested in '46, is if there's a Spitfire MkXIV and or Mk22 and maybe 11Lbs boosted Tempest or 25Lbs Mosquito, just not big on jets

waffen-79
05-06-2006, 05:07 PM
Originally posted by CUJO_1970:
I think Oleg should call it the "STFU You Bunch of Whiney *** Little Crybabies Expansion Pack"

Pardon my French.

LMAO http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Agree 110%

Tooz_69GIAP
05-06-2006, 06:42 PM
Originally posted by CUJO_1970:
I think Oleg should call it the "STFU You Bunch of Whiney *** Little Crybabies Expansion Pack"

Pardon my French.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

panther3485
05-07-2006, 12:56 AM
It certainly wouldn't interest me.

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I want to fly this series strictly as 'WW2 historical', using only those aircraft types that saw active service IRL, in worthwhile numbers.

No '46 what-ifs' for this boy!

But nothing against those who do want a '46 add-on. AFAIAC, they are most welcome to it as long as it doesn't interfere with the stuff I like!

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On the other hand, if somebody was to produce add-ons with some of the historical serving types that are as yet still 'missing', they would find me a much more eager customer.

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[No, I haven't bought the Pe-2 add-on yet but I'm definitely going to, as this is one of my fave planes. I'm just sitting on the fence for a while to see what happens!]

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Best regards to all,
panther3485

Ugly_Kid
05-07-2006, 01:46 AM
What-if they just stuff it. Don't need it, and don't want it - yet I need to buy to remain compatible online and continue flying war with same Bf-109F-2 strafing tanks in the lack of one lousy bomb. I can see that ANYTHING is more important than putting the time in something that would enable simulation of realistic historical encounters.

If they have time then rather put it on load-outs, maps and if there is such a need to make planes some standard important types. M.S and Hawk 75 crosses the mind...

WWMaxGunz
05-07-2006, 02:37 AM
Originally posted by FI-Skipper:
I think its a terrible idea...sort out the other bugs in the game and give us more prop planes that actually saw action....none of this experimental tosh!

These are all planes that people worked to model, how many-most for free? So there is a
theme. Isn't one or more actually produced Russian fighters?

One13
05-07-2006, 04:04 AM
May people might not remember it but a lot of development work used to be shown at il2center.com.
You should all look at it onwayback machine (http://www.archive.org/web/web.php).
It shows someone developing the Mig13 in September 2001, before the original Il2 was released in November 2001.
I remember that there was a 46 section in il2center for many years.

RCAF_Irish_403
05-07-2006, 05:47 AM
Originally posted by panther3485:
It certainly wouldn't interest me.

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I want to fly this series strictly as 'WW2 historical', using only those aircraft types that saw active service IRL, in worthwhile numbers.

No '46 what-ifs' for this boy!

But nothing against those who do want a '46 add-on. AFAIAC, they are most welcome to it as long as it doesn't interfere with the stuff I like!

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

On the other hand, if somebody was to produce add-ons with some of the historical serving types that are as yet still 'missing', they would find me a much more eager customer.

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[No, I haven't bought the Pe-2 add-on yet but I'm definitely going to, as this is one of my fave planes. I'm just sitting on the fence for a while to see what happens!]

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Best regards to all,
panther3485

Dude, that hit it right on the head! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif

heywooood
05-07-2006, 01:47 PM
yes - I would rather have the still missing torpedo planes etc...(not to flail yet again the ol' deceased horse) as well as a few more twins (B26 Marauder springs instantly to mind) before a '46 scenario, but I will take what they give me - it will be fun.

And you can't have a Korean Mod without some '46 designs....AD-1 Skyraiders would be a hoot.

Mjollnir111675
05-07-2006, 05:35 PM
Yep,

Hades, I thought we had damned near all the Vunder-waffen-uber-luften-craften .

And if ya listen weally weeely cwose ya can hear the sound of that One 1700hp Wright R-2600-8 engine blaring through the:
http://static.flickr.com/46/142315379_e9b2f50053_o.jpg
I can almost hear that Yamato crying for the other squadrons to just come in and deliver the coup de grace!

S!

"Whoever claims he has never perceived an oppressive feeling of fear has certainly never been to the front. The prerequisite for bravery is fear,just as the fear of dying and the uncertainty of what follows this earthly existence are the prerequisites for the origin and existence of every religion." Otto Carius

Aguila_Azteca
05-07-2006, 06:08 PM
i cant wait for the 46s add on, now the mud movers will terrories with impiunity