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cartrix
08-08-2003, 08:52 AM
Firstly let me personally apologise for the lack of communication over recent weeks. We will ensure that information is communicated more effectively to you in the future.

Unfortunately we identified some additional bugs and therefore the timing of the release had to be put back.

We will be releasing version 1.1b at the beginning of next week. This patch will be provided as the latest version of the patch as we felt it necessary to share something with you now. We will be asking you for your feedback on this version after release and any serious issues will be addressed in a final version to be released in the near future.

For the purpose of reporting any bugs I will be opening an official thread at the beginning of next week?

Thank you for your patience.


*EDIT* - Edited to make the objectives of this release version clearer.



Message Edited on 08/08/0310:23AM by cartrix

cartrix
08-08-2003, 08:52 AM
Firstly let me personally apologise for the lack of communication over recent weeks. We will ensure that information is communicated more effectively to you in the future.

Unfortunately we identified some additional bugs and therefore the timing of the release had to be put back.

We will be releasing version 1.1b at the beginning of next week. This patch will be provided as the latest version of the patch as we felt it necessary to share something with you now. We will be asking you for your feedback on this version after release and any serious issues will be addressed in a final version to be released in the near future.

For the purpose of reporting any bugs I will be opening an official thread at the beginning of next week?

Thank you for your patience.


*EDIT* - Edited to make the objectives of this release version clearer.



Message Edited on 08/08/0310:23AM by cartrix

XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 08:53 AM
hmmm

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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 08:53 AM
Thank goodness!


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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 08:54 AM
Sooo, Monday?

Thanks for the heads up!

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08-08-2003, 08:56 AM
LOL/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 08:57 AM
If i get that right we'll get a patch to play around with until we get the real patch, right?

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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 08:59 AM
this is getting silly. You guys are starting to sound like iEN (producers of Warbirds) The infamous "two weeks" syndrom. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 09:01 AM
Yeah well lets not hold our breath a?

XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 09:01 AM
Again? .....lol

ok its coming i can wait /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 09:02 AM
So is this to be for beta testers only, or everybody?

XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 09:03 AM
Thanks Cartrix.

Re: Bug reports....the site is Russian, any clue as to where we should post them ?


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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 09:03 AM
LOL! LOL AGAIN, LOL SOME MORE.

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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 09:05 AM
Clear as mud

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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 09:05 AM
cool all cool .

XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 09:06 AM
Thanks for the update.
However......HMmmmmm.....
We shall see.
Me...I'm off to see what they are up to
at that other complete waste of space.
LOL
see ya's.
.........~S~........

XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 09:06 AM
Let me see. There will be a patch 1.1b available sometime around Monday this comming week. But parts of it are still beta? So if they don't work, they'll give us the final version? Cartrix, can you be more specefic about exactly what's fixed for sure, and what's still beta?

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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 09:06 AM
cartrix wrote:
- Firstly let me personally apologise for the lack of
- communication over recent weeks. We will ensure
- that information is communicated more effectively to
- you in the future.

thank you. (HMMM we'll see.)

cartrix wrote:

- Unfortunately we identified some additional bugs and
- therefore the timing of the release had to be put
- back.

OK i can live with that.

cartrix wrote:

- We will be releasing version 1.1b at the beginning
- of next week. This patch will be provided as the
- final version of the patch, although limited parts
- will be available on open beta.

Can you guys guarantee that?

cartrix wrote:

- If you experience serious problems with this new
- version then please send bug reports directly to
- il2beta@1c.ru and Oleg Maddox and his team will take
- these into consideration for the next patch.

Let's hope we don't have any more problems. IMO you guys seriously need to look into getting some new beta testers.

cartrix wrote:
Thank you for your patience.


NP, your welcome.





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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 09:08 AM
it figures, and no dev update either.....

I'm a crappy pilot, but one hell of a shot.

XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 09:08 AM
Open beta?

Intriguing.

C-y'all on Monday-ish...




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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 09:09 AM
Hello Cartrix and thanks for your update. Nothing could be more welcome than an official announcements like this! Hurray!

I would like to ask you one thing, because I don't understand when you say:

- We will be releasing version 1.1b at the beginning
- of next week. This patch will be provided as the
- final version of the patch, although limited parts
- will be available on open beta.

Does it mean that you will be releasing parts of the patch on next week? Or does it mean that you will be releasing a full but beta patch? Or the first patch, with more to come?

Kudos again for presenting us some real info.. Now if you could manage to keep us informed like this a little bit more often.. It would make this a much better place! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 09:09 AM
Sorry Cartrix,your post is as clear as mud! If you can explain your post it would be helpful!
Thankyou, SM

XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 09:10 AM
cartrix wrote:
-
- We will be releasing version 1.1b at the beginning
- of next week. This patch will be provided as the
- final version of the patch, although limited parts
- will be available on open beta.
-

Limited parts? What does this mean? - sorry I don´t get it.

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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 09:14 AM
Disappointing news. The continued failure to deliver creates a poor impression of the abilities of 1C and UBI.

Regards,

RocketDog.

XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 09:14 AM
Its for all.
Its final.
But some parts concidered for changes in the future for the next patch, if it is defined as neccessary or in free add-on with new planes.

So we name it final version 1.1b, but also still take in mind that it is like open beta. Open beta means that all are testers /i/smilies/16x16_robot-happy.gif All around the world!
In readme file for the patch you'll find the form for reports and notices for these that may experience the problems.

Say one of the notices of readme says that we are unable to fix the bugs of the not our own drivers and probably with the next driver version of the card it will be solved by producer of this card. /i/smilies/16x16_robot-happy.gif

Another notice is that we do not accept the bug reports like "this plane flying bad! I think it should fly better!" without technically documented arguments on enginiring level of knowledge.

etc.

There also list of MAJOR fixes and modifications (improvements).

Really there were done thousands changes in code. Its why it took so great time for developing.





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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 09:15 AM
Early next week? So Wednesday morning then?

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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 09:16 AM
Good to hear that evrybody is still alive.../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Just inform us again when the patch has become a standalone-product. I ´m always willing to pay for good work.../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif



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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 09:18 AM
Thank you Oleg.
If there's one person we know we can count on it Oleg. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 09:20 AM
That's info we all needed! Thank you Oleg!

XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 09:21 AM
So when is HL going to be back up?


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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 09:21 AM
Hope it will work longer than a few weeks ... Oleg, or Cartrix, PLEASE make sure patch wont stop working after 1st of September etc !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 09:22 AM
hey people read the message!
it's absolutely clear!

we get the final patch next week
but not the hole final
its part of the hole final
and its an open beta final
so we get an final open part of the beta
I mean the the part of the final is beta
and its open
and if the final open part beta has bugs
we get an patch of the final open part beta
witch would be than the final and the final would be beta
maybe as part or beta

got it?

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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 09:22 AM
For these who do not read important things and can't be patient.

http://forums.ubi.com/messages/message_view-topic.asp?name=us_il2sturmovik_gd&id=zbmlw

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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 09:24 AM
ooh, I forgot it's also limited!

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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 09:24 AM
Great post OLEG-Thankyou!
Regards,SM

XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 09:27 AM
Oleg,
I understand that a future free add-on is to include additional planes but will this patch have any new planes with it like the flyable P-51? Some people are guessing that you might have included one or two planes with this patch so it would be nice if you could clear that up now that it is done.

Thanks

XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 09:35 AM
Thanks for the Edit CARTRIX!
Regards,SM

XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 09:35 AM
Great news, thanks Oleg. Cheers :-)

Darby

XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 09:39 AM
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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 09:42 AM
Cartrix wrote:
-serious issues will be addressed in a final version
- to be released in the near future

U gonna get heat for this statement when some think that the near future has passed and no final version is released. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 09:48 AM
Any news is better than no news. TNX Cartrix and Oleg for info. Waiting...

XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 09:58 AM
Which is the "next week"? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 09:59 AM
let me get this straight, is there an open beta version availeble for download from today on? is this correct? if so, where can i download it? could someone say if i got this right.

(english is not my native language and haven't got learned it fully yet, so forgive me if i got this wrong)

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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 10:03 AM
Next Wensday

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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 10:03 AM
I don't understand the complaints in regard to this announcement. It seems straightforward:

+ We get a patch next week

+ This patch will fix a bunch of stuff, but may not fix everything to Oleg's satisfaction

+ Oleg reserves the right to issue another patch after this, if needed

That's the way most software goes. Battlefield 1942 is up to 1.4. I think Ghost Recon is on 1.4. I'm sure there are other games that have more than 4 patches. Unlike some other games, FB was quite playable as releaseed. A bit of obsessiveness (probably fueled by all the whiners here) lead to the idea that there could/should be only one patch that addressed everything. Obviously that will take a long time to do.

So I say "Yippee!" to a patch now, and if there is another one later, that's fine. Thanks to Oleg and crew and to the patchwhiners, go away until Wednesday.

XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 10:06 AM
ok patch is next wensday
thx m8

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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 10:07 AM
I`ll sy `Yippee` when it`s solidly entrenched on my hard drive at last. This is like trying to get the Holy Grail!




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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 10:09 AM
MildBill wrote:
- I don't understand the complaints in regard to this
- announcement. It seems straightforward:
-

after the edit, the first version was slightly /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif different


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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 10:13 AM
quiet_man wrote:
-
- MildBill wrote:
-- I don't understand the complaints in regard to this
-- announcement. It seems straightforward:
--
-
- after the edit, the first version was slightly /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif different
-

IMHO the edit wasn't needed as I already explained what was meant /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif



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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 10:17 AM
Everyting 's gonna be alright!!!
(don't forget we're all a bit like little children, not getting their candy on time...)...Give us some good news and the tide turns completely and the complaints melt like snow for the sun! (In Europe, weather is too hot to come outside at this very moment, so everybody must be playing the ubisoft sim...wouldn't they?)...
This is my first reply on , been following the discussions for a while now...and I'm always glad to hear people being a little bit more positive, non-political and hobbyisch...the rest should in my humble opinion try and find a site that's suited for their frustrations...

Jan (Hurricane-fan)

XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 10:23 AM
In the mean time, can someone of the testers leak it out ? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 10:46 AM
Oh god its happening alll over again, please no, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 10:46 AM
S! Oleg_Maddox /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Although much times passed by I´m still looking forward to the patch meaning the improvements. Let´s see at next week´s beginning what has changed ...

Thank you for the information, Oleg! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 10:49 AM
cartrix wrote:
- Firstly let me personally apologise for the lack of
- communication over recent weeks. We will ensure
- that information is communicated more effectively to
- you in the future.

Cartrix, ofcourse I do not hold you responsible for the lack of communication and I accept you are just a 'spokesperson' on behalf of UBI, *BUT* !! ->

you can apologize and promise it will be better from now on so many times and can actually mean it.

I don't believe what you are saying here. Honestly I don't.

UBI/1C/WHATEVER! has really dropped the ball on this one BIGTIME!.

As a software company (especially an entertainment software company) this is simply unacceptable and I will not continue to support these firms by buying there software anymore. FB was/will be the last product I will buy from them ever.

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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 10:58 AM
Freshness you have no idea what you're talking about. The amount of work going on behind the scenes with testing, integration of 3rd party programmes like DGen, setting up download mirrors etc is immense. Added to that some 100 issues sent in by the SimHQ crowd regarding Beta 08 that needed to be evaluated, checked, sorted out where appropriate, re-tested ...

Then consider that Ubi in France, Oleg in Moscow, the Q+A team in Canada and the producer on the west coast of the USA are all in very different time zones using 3 different languages.

Personally I think Ubi do a pretty good job in the circumstances given that there are other far more profitable products that cause a lot less hassle.



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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 11:02 AM
I must admit I'm inclined to agree with Ian Boys here Freshness. It's not like these guys have lots of dosh and are in one place. Plus, if they don't get it right they get flamed.

What we all need to do is help with this official beta and make sure FB is where it should be as a program.

Thanks Ian.

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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 11:07 AM
ianboys wrote:
- Freshness you have no idea what you're talking
- about. The amount of work going on behind the scenes
- with testing, integration of 3rd party programmes
- like DGen, setting up download mirrors etc is
- immense. Added to that some 100 issues sent in by
- the SimHQ crowd regarding Beta 08 that needed to be
- evaluated, checked, sorted out where appropriate,
- re-tested ...
-
- Then consider that Ubi in France, Oleg in Moscow,
- the Q+A team in Canada and the producer on the west
- coast of the USA are all in very different time
- zones using 3 different languages.
-
- Personally I think Ubi do a pretty good job in the
- circumstances given that there are other far more
- profitable products that cause a lot less hassle.

I am not disputing the patch is a huge undertaking and I by no means am questioning the quality of the patch (I'm sure it's of a very reasonable quality) BUT!

communication from this company, as Cartrix has apologized for, has been ridiculous recently. it's basicly their own fault that so many 'whiners' have rissen to post on these forums.

I'm just saying the lack of this communication is what, for me, killed this company.

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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 11:09 AM
I gotta feeling that Fresshness has spoken a little too soon. He`s always on this forum, chatting etc. Does this mean he`s dropping all this cos he so hates UBI now? He sounds angry enough to.


Somehow I don`t think so.





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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 11:12 AM
SeaFireLIV wrote:
- I gotta feeling that Fresshness has spoken a
- little too soon. He`s always on this forum, chatting
- etc. Does this mean he`s dropping all this cos he so
- hates UBI now? He sounds angry enough to.
-
-
- Somehow I don`t think so.
-

hehe. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

While I respect your opinion, I can fairly safely say that I do think so.

I'm not angry at UBI, I am just disappointed for their lack of meaningful/serious communication.

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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 11:14 AM
Great now its wensday, jees im really tired of this FB/1C/Ubi crap that is going on here, every time we are said something else, im tired of being tricked all the time /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif



Message Edited on 08/08/0310:14AM by Skyhawk44

XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 11:20 AM
Can someone post that link to the video with the child having a tantrum whining about FB?

Some people need to watch that again, it's spot on.

*sigh*

SSS

XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 11:21 AM
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Cpt.LoneRanger
08-08-2003, 11:25 AM
Personally, I think the Open Beta is a good idea.

It (hopefully) calms the community a bit down and for the final release of the patch, there's a better chance to do it right, since with all the community beta-testing, the chance for a bug to get into the final release is rather slim.

I'n glad to see, the feedback from SimHQ had this effect, to actively involve the community in the process of game developement.

Great news.

thx!!!


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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 11:35 AM
ianboys wrote:
- Freshness you have no idea what you're talking
- about. The amount of work going on behind the scenes
- with testing, integration of 3rd party programmes
- like DGen, setting up download mirrors etc is
- immense.

Ian, I think you are being too generous to UBI/1C.

FB is just a development of an already existing game. It really is unacceptable that it shipped with as many bugs as it did. Some of them are just so obvious that it's hard to understand how they were not spotted. Three example suffice:

1. One of the more exciting new features of FB was the inclusion of the dynamic campaign and Finnish a/c. In real life the Finns achieved very high kill:loss ratios against the Russians. Yet when I play the Finnish campaigns in FB, my Finnish squadrons get massacred by UFO I-16s which appear largely immune to gunfire. This is when they are not wiped out by AAA. I stopped playing any of the campaigns when I discovered they all have this sort of problem. They all feel the same. Yet this was one of the main new things offered by FB. How could this have gone un-noticed?

2. The sound engine is broken. IL-2 had its problems with sound which were finally sorted. Yet here we are again in FB where sound crackles, causes stutter and sometimes just plain stops.

3. The AI gunners almost never miss from a head-on shot. However, they are unable to hit even a gently turning opponent from the six o'clock position. This is obvious after even a few minutes in QMB. The player is forced to fly in an comically unrealistic way because you are actually safer with your AI opponents behind you than you are when they are in front of you. Again, how could this have gone un-noticed?

And I haven't even mentioned the incomprehensible decision to add the biazzare new muzzle flashes, or the effects-based stutter yet.

Don't get me wrong. FB is a good(ish) product out of the box. It's already the best WWII prop sim out there. When it's finally patched it has the potential to be a great product. But let's not kid ourselves that it should not have been a lot better than it is at this stage in its life.

Maybe 1C weren't able to deliver to UBI against their original schedule. Maybe UBI didn't give 1C enough resources (i.e, money) to fund the final development. Who knows. But the delays in correcting fairly basic errors in the game is unimpressive.

Regards,

RocketDog.


(editted for spelling)


Message Edited on 08/08/0310:46AM by RocketDog

XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 11:39 AM
cartrix wrote:
- We will be releasing version 1.1b at the beginning
- of next week.


OMFG...yet another week of waiting for nothing.

BS.

XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 11:44 AM
Come on guys, weather it out. Just a few more days... Let`s not start panning UBI (until we at least get the patch /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif ).

It would be sad to see people leave as a result ( perhaps Fresshness will reconsider- though it`s not my business).

I too am feeling the frustration believe me, but at least they are TRYING to keep us informed...

Wednesday will be the crunch though... /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif





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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 11:48 AM
I was afraid this might happen..this is getting worse than microsofts doings../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 11:49 AM
Im a little disapointed in hearing the many delays dates given more delays. I been trying to be patient but its gotten to me expecting something when dates are given.

Im a little skeptical hearing 1c say 1.1b is a final beta patch which means it probally has alot of new problems since alot of changes were made to better the game.

I think its a good idea tho seeing how it works for the community and will be subject to a quicker change then the 6 months we all been patiently waiting if it has known problems fall all users.

Thank you for the update and hope next week it does come out.


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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 11:50 AM
Well some news is better than no news,but its not what I wanted to hear /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif



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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 12:08 PM
Hi all! I,m really concerned about the health (fysical) of some members of community.I hope everyone has something to fill their time with until release of patch. It seems like some soon will suffer from serious stressrelated diseases cause of delays....please remember that for instance coronary disease kills more people every year than any WWII fighter ever did....

Keep cool, see you in the cyberair. S! nightnight

PS I am just getting chest pains, can anyone help???

Cpt.LoneRanger
08-08-2003, 12:09 PM
BEGINNING OF NEXT WEEK!

How can it be a whole week, now it's allready Friday!?

Come on, you can wait those few more days. We all want that patch, but, well, we got our information and if we get this patch during next weeks, that's perfectly fine with me.



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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 12:10 PM
nightnight wrote:
- Hi all! I,m really concerned about the health
- (fysical) of some members of community.I hope
- everyone has something to fill their time with until
- release of patch. It seems like some soon will
- suffer from serious stressrelated diseases cause of
- delays....please remember that for instance coronary
- disease kills more people every year than any WWII
- fighter ever did....

your compassion is touching

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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 12:25 PM
So, how is this thread compared to Ian's thread.

Ian's thread says 'Wednesday', this says Monday?

lol

Still a mess.

Why not today so we can fly it over the weekend.

just leak it - lol

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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 12:25 PM
This is better than a soap opera.

What's the next dramatic twist going to be, I wonder?/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 12:25 PM
Oleg said " . . . is like open beta"

From what I have seen, the developement of this sim, with the implementation of Oleg's Ready Room, is something that always resembles an 'open' beta. All Oleg is saying is that even though this is the final version 1.1b, is that he is going to treat it as an open beta . . . the same as he has every other version of this game . . . with one exception: There is included a form in the readme file for bug reporting. That means that it will have to be done properly from now on. Never before has anyone gone as far as 1C in cooperation with users in simulation development. You never miss the water till the well runs dry.

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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 12:26 PM
/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Any news is better than no news. Thank you for finally communicating. As I said earlier in a similar thread, I think it to be better to release patches in minor steps than doing THE SUPERPATCH. In this way, communication runs easier on bugs and the community is a lot wider ....

HKLE

XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 12:28 PM
"For these who do not read important things and can't be patient.

http://forums.ubi.com/messages/message_view-topic.asp?name=us_il2sturmovik_gd&id=zbmlw

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"

It's as if we have done something wrong here - lol.


Fact is they probably recieved better feedback on leaked patch08 by us and realized they are silly by excluding this relatively small dedicated community the opportunity to be vital to the games success. Especially with all the delays and bad PR going on in here.





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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 12:34 PM
...and life goes on.

It's been said " Changes aren't permanent, but change is!" It's just this change is slower to develop in some places than others.

Hang in there! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif



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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 12:40 PM
LLv26_Morko wrote:
- I was afraid this might happen..this is getting
- worse than microsofts doings


No... I think that Oleg and co. understand the importance to involve people in the developement of FB.

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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 01:07 PM
Fresshness wrote:
- UBI/1C/WHATEVER! has really dropped the ball on this
- one BIGTIME!.
-
- As a software company (especially an entertainment
- software company) this is simply unacceptable and I
- will not continue to support these firms by buying
- there software anymore. FB was/will be the last
- product I will buy from them ever.

Ok, Fresshness just excluded himself from the line of future flight sims that Oleg will produce. Sounds like good news to me.

Hold him up to his word, so he won't come back and pollute on-line forums of new Maddox sims with his BS whining.

Meanwhile, thanks to Ubi and Maddox for a great sim and thanks for supporting it like no other flight sim has ever been supported.

In the future, when we might not have ANY patches or ANY developer-user interaction at all in the flight sim community, this period will be seen as the Golden Era of flight simulation.

And we'll remember that it came to and end due to the hassle and whining of never-grateful imbeciles.


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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 01:08 PM
lol Freycinet.

I'll be happy to your bidding.

btw: if you had the decency to read my post and try to understand me, you can find that I didn't exclude myself from future products by UBI/1C/ whatever. I just excluded myself from PAYING for them! big difference.

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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 01:12 PM
S! HI

Well some news is better than no news so thanks Cartix.

The dilemma faced by Olegs development crew, is not made any easier by the comments in this thread, I suppose they just resign themselves to being dammed if they move and dammed if they dont.

But be assured they are still not prepared to be dammed for releasing something, that they know they can improve, by either pressure from corporate sponsor Ubi, or by a headstrong rush to release something, anything.

I can also assume a frustration at all the rumour mongering that has dragged forward a possible release date anyway, to some it has always been '2 more weeks' when in reality a mid August release was the earliest envisaged.

So at the meeting, they discovered some more work that needs doing, be this in testing all possible combinations of systems and cards or even a new idea of how or what can be achieved.

Just be thankful that any of this is being done at all, it is still planned to be FREE, and yet they are still thinking and endeavouring to yet still make improvements.

When it comes, we shall remain thankful, and will report any odd bugs as it appears on our systems. We will continue to make the very best fun and enjoyment we can.

We also will be compiling a wish list, of features, that we hope one day, will get on someones penciled notes for a future meeting of Oleg's crew.

S!

XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 01:12 PM
'Say one of the notices of readme says that we are unable to fix the bugs of the not our own drivers and probably with the next driver version of the card it will be solved by producer of this card.' - Oleg Maddox somewhere in this thread

Can you please explain this more explicitly Cartrix, I thought they had the Radeon 9xxx bugs fixed.

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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 01:19 PM
Thanks Oleg and Cartrix for the info.

XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 01:28 PM
May i make a suggestion already, DO NOT CALL IT 1.1B there is already a 1.1A for the original game and you will just cause so much confusion with people trying to upgrade the game in later years etc as they will see an there is a 1.1B patch and also a 1.1A one as well.

Could you not rename it to something like FB.1a or something to get it away from the possibilities of confusion, we already had some of this with people trying to add the original patches to the new game until you added the message at the top of the page.

Remember a lot of people new to the game and coming on to use this patch will not realise there are 2 games, different patches etc and like lemmings will run over the cliff sooner or later... lets put a wall up now while you have a chance so only the determind lemming will make it over./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

good news by the way



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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 01:43 PM
LLv26_Morko wrote:
- I was afraid this might happen..this is getting
- worse than microsofts doings

Has CFS3 been improved much by it's "patch"? For a sim that came out a few months before FB it still sucks..it's patch did nothing..notheing much anyway....and my point is so what if the d@mn patch is going to be even more late...grow up...it's a frickin sim for crying out loud..I am sure all of us are disapointed ,I know I am but what the h@ll...I am not going to act like some six year old whose trip to 6 flags was cancelled due to rain.....and niether should some of us in here who ARE acting that way. Not to be insulting to anyone at all and not that you are who I am specifically referring to Morko.....but we need to lighten up and just be glad we have a definite date that isnt another 2 weeks or a month away..and we need to be glad we have a sim we can fly...even if it is a little porked in some areas.

Thanks for the update Cartrix.......


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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 01:55 PM
Fresshness wrote:
- lol Freycinet.
-
- I'll be happy to your bidding.
-
- btw: if you had the decency to read my post and try
- to understand me, you can find that I didn't exclude
- myself from future products by UBI/1C/ whatever. I
- just excluded myself from PAYING for them! big
- difference.

Exactly to be expected from you. That's how you go through life, isn't it? What a sad creature you are. Good thing your surroundings realise it.

Whiners, whiners... - "Bouhouhhh, they said the patch would be out now, but it's only coming tomorrow, bouhouhh"... "I saw on Discovery that [insert plane name here] was über, but I get whipped online by 12-year olds..." - - Sorry gits.

Again: thanks Maddox and Ubi for unprecedented support. Hope you'll never let the losers wear you down.

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08-08-2003, 01:58 PM
Freycinet wrote:
-
- Exactly to be expected from you. That's how you go
- through life, isn't it? What a sad creature you are.
- Good thing your surroundings realise it.

ah yes, you have shown you know me very well; Btw: sticks and stones may brake my bones, but you know the rest.

I see that lobotomy has really worked for you /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif I was wondering where you were all this time

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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 02:05 PM
Not to be telling anyone what to do, Cartrix, but it would be a good idea to get the patch info updated on the homepage asap. There is enough confusion here as it is. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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08-08-2003, 02:16 PM
SpinSpinSugar wrote:
-
- Can someone post that link to the video with the
- child having a tantrum whining about FB?
-
- Some people need to watch that again, it's spot on.
-
- *sigh*
-
- SSS
-
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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 02:20 PM
Personally, i am amazed that Oleg trusts this once great (but now highly screwed up) community to help test anything!!
I think some of the whiners need to get things into perspective. This is a game/sim we are talking about. It comes pretty low on the list of lifes priority's. Waiting an extra week or so for a patch will not kill anyone.
People who moan about lack of support for the game should look at the updates again. With a European theatre confirmed and Jap planes suggesting a Pacific theatre too, the long term future for FB looks very good.All good things come to those that wait/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif


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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 02:31 PM
hunhunter-texas wrote:
- Personally, i am amazed that Oleg trusts this once
- great (but now highly screwed up) community to help
- test anything!!
- I think some of the whiners need to get things into
- perspective. This is a game/sim we are talking
- about. It comes pretty low on the list of lifes
- priority's. Waiting an extra week or so for a patch
- will not kill anyone.
- People who moan about lack of support for the game
- should look at the updates again. With a European
- theatre confirmed and Jap planes suggesting a
- Pacific theatre too, the long term future for FB
- looks very good.All good things come to those that
- wait

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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 02:41 PM
A vote of appreciation for Oleg and Cartrix here. Few of us in this community have any idea what goes on behind the walls of Ubisoft, but anyone who works in any kind of corporate atmosphere knows how hard it is to get anything done quickly or on schedule. It is a constant struggle, and often even those working on a project are in the dark about why (or when) some decisions get made. It isn't just a matter of waving a wand and making things happen on time.

As far as today's announcement goes, I cannot see how we could expect a much better deal than we're getting. We'll get the patch next week. If it has major problems we are all invited to report them and, if possible, Oleg and his team will fix them either in another patch or as part of the add-on we've already been promised. (I expect this means that there are indeed going to be some issues.)

What's so hard to understand?

Do we really need Oleg or Cartrix to give us daily reports telling us "sorry, not today...maybe tomorrow"? Would that make people any less frustrated?

The support for this sim has been SUPER. And while I understand we'd all like to have everything perfect and right now, the criticism of 1C and Ubi has been unfair.

XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 02:43 PM
How about we leak the beta for the weekend? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif



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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 02:44 PM
Quax46 wrote:
- A vote of appreciation for Oleg and Cartrix here.
- Few of us in this community have any idea what goes
- on behind the walls of Ubisoft, but anyone who works
- in any kind of corporate atmosphere knows how hard
- it is to get anything done quickly or on schedule.
- It is a constant struggle, and often even those
- working on a project are in the dark about why (or
- when) some decisions get made. It isn't just a
- matter of waving a wand and making things happen on
- time.
-
- As far as today's announcement goes, I cannot see
- how we could expect a much better deal than we're
- getting. We'll get the patch next week. If it has
- major problems we are all invited to report them
- and, if possible, Oleg and his team will fix them
- either in another patch or as part of the add-on
- we've already been promised. (I expect this means
- that there are indeed going to be some issues.)
-
- What's so hard to understand?
-
- Do we really need Oleg or Cartrix to give us daily
- reports telling us "sorry, not today...maybe
- tomorrow"? Would that make people any less
- frustrated?
-
- The support for this sim has been SUPER. And while
- I understand we'd all like to have everything
- perfect and right now, the criticism of 1C and Ubi
- has been unfair.

Amen, well said.

Don't expect the imbeciles to get it, though.

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08-08-2003, 02:45 PM
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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 02:49 PM
Freycinet wrote:
- Amen, well said.
-
- Don't expect the imbeciles to get it, though.

thats a very admirable post you made there.

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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 02:49 PM
Another vote of confidence for Oleg and the crew at 1C and Ubi- Thanks very much for the update.

Thanks very much for confirming that there will be ongoing support and improvements to FB /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

There's a silent majority out here that understands that you've got to release SOMETHING to calm down the patch-whiners, and also that this could be a constructive process (ie: constructive criticisms welcome for future patches) by incorporating user feedback/bug reporting. I think that this shows that you are committed to improving and supporting FB /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif -

I also agree with the above poster that the patch name should be FB1.x and not an IL2 1.x as the latter would definitely be confusing!!

Cheers,
Cold_gambler

XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 02:50 PM
Freycinet wrote:

- And we'll remember that it came to and end due to
- the hassle and whining of never-grateful imbeciles.
-
-

I think you overestimate the infulence of the discussion forums. Most game developers don't take them that seriously.

If fight sims fail in the marketplace it will be because the manufacturers released bug-ridden products in which people lost interest before they were patched (e.g., CFS 3). The cumulative damage to buyer confidence caused by a series of such debacles would rapidly kill off the genre. In fact, I don't think we are likely to see a CFS 4 in the near future precisely because of this.

IL2:FB is not as bad as CFS 3 because it is quite playable as an out of the box game (if a little rough in places). But if people drift away because the game is broken (and the critically-important single player is a definite failure in FB, viz. bulletproof AI UFO I-16s, laser guided AAA and wierd AI gunnery), then the whole WWII flight sim genre is harmed.

The threat to flight sims is from the developers delivering substandard products, not from the customers being annoyed when they get them.

Regards,

RocketDog.

XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 02:52 PM
RocketDog wrote:
- Freycinet wrote:
-
-- And we'll remember that it came to and end due to
-- the hassle and whining of never-grateful imbeciles.
--
--
-
- I think you overestimate the infulence of the
- discussion forums. Most game developers don't take
- them that seriously.
-
- If fight sims fail in the marketplace it will be
- because the manufacturers released bug-ridden
- products in which people lost interest before they
- were patched (e.g., CFS 3). The cumulative damage to
- buyer confidence caused by a series of such debacles
- would rapidly kill off the genre. In fact, I don't
- think we are likely to see a CFS 4 in the near
- future precisely because of this.
-
- IL2:FB is not as bad as CFS 3 because it is quite
- playable as an out of the box game (if a little
- rough in places). But if people drift away because
- the game is broken (and the critically-important
- single player is a definite failure in FB, viz.
- bulletproof AI UFO I-16s, laser guided AAA and wierd
- AI gunnery), then the whole WWII flight sim genre is
- harmed.
-
- The threat to flight sims is from the developers
- delivering substandard products, not from the
- customers being annoyed when they get them.
-
- Regards,
-
- RocketDog.

I applaud your wonderful insight!

HERE HERE!

This forum needs more users like RocketDog!

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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 02:54 PM
Oleg_Maddox wrote:
Open beta
- means that all are testers /i/smilies/16x16_robot-happy.gif All around the world!
-

Are they really starting to get what we have been saying all along.. .Let the communities test it and we will find the bugs.. Now they are opening up it to us as a community.. Wow.. I think we have been saying all along to open it up to us... Things go alot better when its open to the community.. I mean, If it wasnt for alot ofus posting the bugs in the beta, the patch still would been messed up...

Dont hurt to listen to us once in awhile /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

WOOD

XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 03:04 PM
RocketDog wrote:
- Freycinet wrote:
-
-- And we'll remember that it came to and end due to
-- the hassle and whining of never-grateful imbeciles.
-
- I think you overestimate the infulence of the
- discussion forums. Most game developers don't take
- them that seriously.

Here's one developer that takes the forums very seriously. Own forum room, constant feedback, etc.

-
- If fight sims fail in the marketplace it will be
- because the manufacturers released bug-ridden
- products in which people lost interest before they
- were patched (e.g., CFS 3). The cumulative damage to
- buyer confidence caused by a series of such debacles
- would rapidly kill off the genre. In fact, I don't
- think we are likely to see a CFS 4 in the near
- future precisely because of this.

I definitely agree with you here. The product is of course central to the success of the genre. I think, though, that we will definitely see a CFS4, because Microsoft sold many more copies than Il-2 and FB combined due to general public ignorance and superior marketing power.


-
- IL2:FB is not as bad as CFS 3 because it is quite
- playable as an out of the box game (if a little
- rough in places). But if people drift away because
- the game is broken (and the critically-important
- single player is a definite failure in FB, viz.
- bulletproof AI UFO I-16s, laser guided AAA and wierd
- AI gunnery), then the whole WWII flight sim genre is
- harmed.

FB is not nearly as bad as you make it here, sorry, I have to disagree strongly.

-
- The threat to flight sims is from the developers
- delivering substandard products, not from the
- customers being annoyed when they get them.

The only feedback a developer gets to a free patch is the feedback in forums like these. He doesn't sell it, so it is not financial feedback that will tell him if it was worthwhile.

If the feedback to patch releases is just constant whining and hassle and BS from spoiled brats that will never be content with anything because they take their own frustrations out on the surrounding world ("Nanaa, I will not buy your products, but get them hacked"), then this amazing product support might very well run dry. You know, this openness and interaction with the community from Ubi and Maddox is an experiment. It has never been done before by flight sim developers. If it brings no good it will of course be discontinued.


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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 03:07 PM
IVJG51_Dart wrote:
- this is getting silly. You guys are starting to
- sound like iEN (producers of Warbirds) The infamous
- "two weeks" syndrom. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif -
- Cheers,
- Lawn Dart
- Operations Officer, IV/JG51
- http://www.jg51.net/ -
-
- Message Edited on 08/08/03 01:00AM by
- IVJG51_Dart


Thats only 1000 times better than the "no more" syndrome.


Neal

XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 03:13 PM
Freycinet wrote:
-
- RocketDog wrote:
-- Freycinet wrote:
--
--- And we'll remember that it came to and end due to
--- the hassle and whining of never-grateful imbeciles.
--
-- I think you overestimate the infulence of the
-- discussion forums. Most game developers don't take
-- them that seriously.
-
- Here's one developer that takes the forums very
- seriously. Own forum room, constant feedback, etc.
-
--
-- If fight sims fail in the marketplace it will be
-- because the manufacturers released bug-ridden
-- products in which people lost interest before they
-- were patched (e.g., CFS 3). The cumulative damage to
-- buyer confidence caused by a series of such debacles
-- would rapidly kill off the genre. In fact, I don't
-- think we are likely to see a CFS 4 in the near
-- future precisely because of this.
-
- I definitely agree with you here. The product is of
- course central to the success of the genre. I think,
- though, that we will definitely see a CFS4, because
- Microsoft sold many more copies than Il-2 and FB
- combined due to general public ignorance and
- superior marketing power.
-
-
--
-- IL2:FB is not as bad as CFS 3 because it is quite
-- playable as an out of the box game (if a little
-- rough in places). But if people drift away because
-- the game is broken (and the critically-important
-- single player is a definite failure in FB, viz.
-- bulletproof AI UFO I-16s, laser guided AAA and wierd
-- AI gunnery), then the whole WWII flight sim genre is
-- harmed.
-
- FB is not nearly as bad as you make it here, sorry,
- I have to disagree strongly.

yes, it is that bad.

-
-
--
-- The threat to flight sims is from the developers
-- delivering substandard products, not from the
-- customers being annoyed when they get them.
-
- The only feedback a developer gets to a free patch
- is the feedback in forums like these. He doesn't
- sell it, so it is not financial feedback that will
- tell him if it was worthwhile.

shows what you know. ofcourse it has financial influence. UBI is not charity. it produces the patch in the hopes that future sales (payware add-on) will not be hindred and can be sold at full speed.

your naitivity is just too funny for words

-
- If the feedback to patch releases is just constant
- whining and hassle and BS from spoiled brats that
- will never be content with anything because they
- take their own frustrations out on the surrounding
- world ("Nanaa, I will not buy your products, but get
- them hacked"), then this amazing product support
- might very well run dry. You know, this openness and
- interaction with the community from Ubi and Maddox
- is an experiment. It has never been done before by
- flight sim developers. If it brings no good it will
- of course be discontinued.

again, shows what you know. 'never been done before'. LOL! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 03:21 PM
Many Thanx for the update CATRIX and OLEG...

Have a Great Navy Day

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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 03:24 PM
Very well. As the saying goes: "Better have a good product that takes longer than one that is not as good by being released (prematurely)". Good hunting everyone, and see you in the air.

Gerd_Schopfel 40 Victories

XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 03:25 PM
What flight sim developer did it before?

A good post by PriK in another thread:

-----------------------

It seems that 1C:Maddox is going to learn what other developers have learned over the years starting with ID Software, Epic Games and other companies that have a larger customer base, and it's a little sad to see.

I can see the writing on the wall and it really is a shame considering how forthcoming 1C has been with divulging information here especially in the early days of IL2. Apparantly, Oleg himself posted information and debated quite regularly here.

What I'm talking about is that the more whining about delays will end up making them just not want to bother giving us dates at all and end up doing what ID does. They will simply not want to put themselves out with anything more than a general idea of release dates.

------------------------

I remember the days when Oleg posted a lot here and got good feedback. It was ruined by self-righteous and ignorant whiners, who ended up calling him a "scum-bag" for having small struts in the 109 cockpit model that were there in some actual 109's and not in others.

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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 03:27 PM
For every one of us that downloads the patch, there will be at least a dozen that will continue to play it without the patch. Why? Because they are playing offline, and may not even be aware that there is a patch. I have had other games that had patches available, and wound up giving those patches to friends a year after they were released, simply because they did not know that one was available. Think, I mean really think, about how much work has gone into improving this sim for such a small number of users. Who here would like to be Oleg Maddox? We all seem to think that this patch is all that his team should be working on, or even thinking about. I include myself in on this, as I have grown impatient along with everyone else. Perhaps in the longrun this patch thingy will be a money-maker for 1C, but not right now. The recently posted interview shows a very busy group of developers, working on a number of things right now so that they may feed their families, and it is not cheap where they reside. All of us? We do not depend on playing this sim for our livelyhood. We will live until Wednesday without a patched game. I think I am going to go spend some time with my kids now.
Salute All
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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 03:27 PM
Thank you Oleg and Catrix for the great news. As a programmer and fellow developer, I understand and truely appreciate the amount of work and true dedication the whole 1C team has put forth.

Condor out

XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 03:32 PM
Freycinet wrote:
- What flight sim developer did it before?
-
- A good post by PriK in another thread:
-
------------------------
-
- It seems that 1C:Maddox is going to learn what other
- developers have learned over the years starting with
- ID Software, Epic Games and other companies that
- have a larger customer base, and it's a little sad
- to see.
-
- I can see the writing on the wall and it really is a
- shame considering how forthcoming 1C has been with
- divulging information here especially in the early
- days of IL2. Apparantly, Oleg himself posted
- information and debated quite regularly here.
-
- What I'm talking about is that the more whining
- about delays will end up making them just not want
- to bother giving us dates at all and end up doing
- what ID does. They will simply not want to put
- themselves out with anything more than a general
- idea of release dates.
-
-------------------------

I don't see PriK listing any FLIGHTSIM developers.

-
- I remember the days when Oleg posted a lot here and
- got good feedback. It was ruined by self-righteous
- and ignorant whiners, who ended up calling him a
- "scum-bag" for having small struts in the 109
- cockpit model that were there in some actual 109's
- and not in others.

that's sad. really..., I agree with you on this one Freycinet.

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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 03:40 PM
Freycinet wrote:
-
-
- Amen, well said.
-
- Don't expect the imbeciles to get it, though.
-

Ouch! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif - But again I do not consider myself an imbecile (I made it to university) - so please mind your language & argue in a civilized manner. What I didn´t get was this "beta-issue" which now has been clarified. Thank you & have a good day, Sir!

Good news is that something is happening & information has been shared. I´m looking forward to taking up FB again.

S!

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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 03:44 PM
if they say next week , it means that we are going to get in next month/i/smilies/16x16_robot-sad.gif that's how if was....1st they sad 30th, then later,,,later,,later,,,,,/i/smilies/16x16_robot-mad.gif
apology are NOT acepted/i/smilies/16x16_robot-mad.gif /i/smilies/16x16_robot-sad.gif GRRRRR!

P.S. now I'm also have to wait 4 the patch to RAVEN SHIELD/i/smilies/16x16_robot-sad.gif

XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 04:17 PM
Freycinet wrote:
-
- You know, this openness and
- interaction with the community from Ubi and Maddox
- is an experiment. It has never been done before by
- flight sim developers.

Yes, it has. And to a greater degree just in the Red Baron 2 development at least with the Delphi Flight Sim Forum back in 1998. The contact was pretty much constant through multiple contacts with the developers. The forum gang was better overall and yet with time that degraded more and more.

I won't count out developer interaction with other sims either; Warbirds, Air Warrior and Falcon didn't have that? I would be very surprised if Warbirds didn't!

- If it brings no good it will
- of course be discontinued.

And in the end, that was a big factor in what happened to Red Baron 3D and not seeing a Red Baron 4.

Non-constructive criticism is death to creativity.


Neal

XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 04:22 PM
It seems that 1C:Maddox is going to learn what other
- developers have learned over the years starting with
- ID Software"


ID Software was run very well.

They were fixing stuff people didn't even know was broken. Patches were released without anyone even knowing it was coming.

Class act. I never once had a single complaint.

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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 04:22 PM
Something slowly done is surely done.

umm... I think Laurel and Hardy said that!




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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 04:25 PM
tsisqua wrote:
- For every one of us that downloads the patch, there
- will be at least a dozen that will continue to play
- it without the patch. Why? Because they are playing
- offline, and may not even be aware that there is a
- patch. I have had other games that had patches
- available, and wound up giving those patches to
- friends a year after they were released, simply
- because they did not know that one was available.
- Think, I mean really think, about how much work has
- gone into improving this sim for such a small number
- of users. Who here would like to be Oleg Maddox? We
- all seem to think that this patch is all that his
- team should be working on, or even thinking about. I
- include myself in on this, as I have grown impatient
- along with everyone else. Perhaps in the longrun
- this patch thingy will be a money-maker for 1C, but
- not right now. The recently posted interview shows a
- very busy group of developers, working on a number
- of things right now so that they may feed their
- families, and it is not cheap where they reside. All
- of us? We do not depend on playing this sim for our
- livelyhood. We will live until Wednesday without a
- patched game. I think I am going to go spend some
- time with my kids now.
- Salute All
- Tsisqua


Yeah, what tsisqua said. I was impatient too. But I think Oleg made clear what perhaps Cartrix didn't. THIS IS THE PATCH! And he mentioned that if there are problems with it that they will be fixed in another patch.

Remember that we didn't seem to have a problem with successive patches in IL2 (at least I didn't). We'd get a patch and then a patch that fixed the patch and then a patch that fixed the patch that fixed the patch.

I say we wait, download it, fly it and see. My bet is it'll fix a lot of stuff that will make most folks happy.

Thanks for the info., Oleg.

XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 04:29 PM
Why dont you all stop with sarcasm and quips and just wait.....Jeez!

XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 04:33 PM
Thanks Cartrix and Oleg: Updates are most welcome...should be as often as possible. It's clear to me...even if Oleg's English is not always clear....it's a lot better than my Russian....

"Nothing difficult is ever easy"

XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 04:45 PM
good things come to those who wait
notice i said wait not whine

XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 05:20 PM
BBB_Petrus wrote:
- Good to hear that evrybody is still alive-
- Just inform us again when the patch has become a
- standalone-product. I ´m always willing to pay for
- good work.
- -
-
-
-
- Petrus
- member of the Butcher Bird Brotherhood

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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 05:27 PM
Will the patch be made available through distribution channels like FilePlanet and FileShack?

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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 05:28 PM
eventually probably, I hope not initially

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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 05:36 PM
If all the People would stop barking for the patch we would be able to get one single release instead of this one now one later bs....

I hate that....

Just back off them & let them work theyll give it too us when its ready if you guys will give them some breathing room !!!


I know its been 9 months or whatever but give them another month they keep saying 2 weeks because as soon as they get close to finishing they find something else to fix if that werent the case

YOUD HAVE THE PATCH !!!

Give them some Room to Work !!!

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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 05:37 PM
Fresshness wrote:
- eventually probably, I hope not initially
-
- <center><img
- src="http://users.pandora.be/vnnet/FBforum/sig9.jp
- g"></center>



Why not?



Downloading from UBI takes forever....even on cable.

Hopefully a bunch of people put up mirrors for it.



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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 05:48 PM
JG27_Arklight wrote:
-
- Fresshness wrote:
-- eventually probably, I hope not initially
--
-- <center><img
-- src="http://users.pandora.be/vnnet/FBforum/sig9.jp
-- g"></center>
-
-
-
-
- Why not?


Because I hate sites like FilePlanet. They require a friggin' account before you can download stuff from them (whereas on other such sites you can download them directly).

It's just so they can shower you with spam *OR* sell your personal info to other companies for hard cash.

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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 05:54 PM
It's really that simple. You'll just have to wait. Any impatient comment will not bring things earlier. So quit argueing over whether things are acceptable or not, it has no purpose. Save your energy on this topic and start doing something else. Paint your front door, fix that bike's rear tire or buy your partner some roses because she has to endure your chagrin while things are the way they are and you're not able to change anything.

My 10 eurocents,

Greetings, SuzanneS

XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 05:56 PM
oops..i just notice i have a flat tire...

Anyone who can ....????

XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 05:57 PM
Suzanne...in order to shorten the time till the patch release..

Could you please post a picture of yours ? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 06:07 PM
Do You promise to stay off this forum also...I hope so

XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 06:52 PM
I'm laughing my *** off at all this. Your job is to figure out who I am laughing at.