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crogall
12-26-2003, 02:51 AM
I have always had in interest in combat flight sims but there's a thing that i have never really understood: since the firts times i'm practicing in a new sim i find quite difficult to flight properly in formation, i often took advantage of the autopilot to relax a bit in flight. But in every flight sims i tried, and FB is not different, when i turn off the autopilot to get back in control the plane, who was flying in formation, decrease suddenly in speed, and start to climb or descend as soon as i have disengage the autopilot...
Can you explain me why and can you give me some tip to stay in formation when turning off the autopilot?
Thanks.

crogall
12-26-2003, 02:51 AM
I have always had in interest in combat flight sims but there's a thing that i have never really understood: since the firts times i'm practicing in a new sim i find quite difficult to flight properly in formation, i often took advantage of the autopilot to relax a bit in flight. But in every flight sims i tried, and FB is not different, when i turn off the autopilot to get back in control the plane, who was flying in formation, decrease suddenly in speed, and start to climb or descend as soon as i have disengage the autopilot...
Can you explain me why and can you give me some tip to stay in formation when turning off the autopilot?
Thanks.

txmx
12-26-2003, 03:00 AM
In FB your aircraft, under certain conditions, can not keep up with the AI when you disengage your autopilot. Also, when you disengage your autopilot you need to trim the aircraft to enable it to fly straight and level.

The tip (imho) is to use autopilot as long as you want to be in the formation or to fly at a higher rank which would mean that you would lead the flight and the AI planes would follow you.

I am sure that some of the more frequent offline fliers here will give you more useful information.

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Aardvark892
12-26-2003, 05:36 AM
Txmx gave you some good info, but also realize that when you release the autopilot, the plane goes immediately into the settings you set before or during the autopilot. For instance, if you've maxed out the throttle to catch up to #1, and then hit AP, if you don't lower the throttle before you release it the planes going to surge forward on you. This also applies to any trim, flight control inputs, or anything else that would affect a plane in motion. It might help, at least on the diving/climbing thing, to watch your planes instruments and try to set the throttle to match before you release. This would only help if you have an external throttle, not the keyboard. Hope this helps.

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ZG77_Lignite
12-26-2003, 12:59 PM
Some tips for formation flying that I find usefull (hopefully you might also):

1: Match Speeds, simple in concept, dificult in reality. You can assume that AI pilots will maintain an exact speed, and that speed will be a 'round' number. Often 350kph (almost alwayse between 300-400kph in FB campaigns of all types) is the number used by AI pilots. This is normally a very low power setting (engineRPM/manifold pressure, estimated 45-55% for a FW190 example). If your withing 20kph either way you can stay in formation pretty well, remember very small throttle adjustments either way to try and stay in that range

2: Match heading, this is a bit easier. Their are some simple 'training' steps you can try. Firstly, get in directly behind the flight leader (again, remember #1 match speeds) and stay behind him (don't worry about trying to fly like the movies or documentaries show right off, it is dificult). Once your comfortable in following your flight leader (this may take 1 mission, or 50, not important), try sliding out to the left or right and stay as far behind the leader as your comfortable with (leader at your 10:00 or 2:00 oclock or so, this helps learn to watch his fuselage, or direction of flight without having to be directly behind). As you get comfortable in this position, slowly attempt to stay closer and closer to him, pretty soon you'll find yourself right off of his wingtip, and you will soon get comfortable enough to start gawking around while sticking that close. It is possible!

3: Don't forget about the other aircraft in your flight! If it is easier (or safer), follow one of the other wingmen (they will be following the flight leader, unless its your wingman I suppose) in order to stay out of the center of the formation (and avoid collisions).

p1ngu666
12-26-2003, 02:43 PM
that dont bother me
its the flip off auto pilot and insta flap jam >;|

crogall
12-27-2003, 07:14 AM
thanks for your help but though i love realism in FSs i'd have preferred that il2 FB had adopted a "go to action" option like the one present in CFS...By the way, flying in formation is one of the most difficult thing in flight, and in these sims the ai autopilot doesn't help that much...