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TJByrum2
06-13-2010, 05:09 PM
Assassin's Creed has lots of references to religion and the Gods. Well, even though I am not very religious myself, I just love to hear about it, see it, experience it.

I liked the paintings of all the religious references in the AC2 game, and how so many things in the series mention religion.

I'd much prefer an Assassin's Creed with much heavier religious reference.

Altair: "God had nothing to do with it, I was just the better fighter."
Richard: "Haha, you may not believe in Him, but He believes in you."

Altaezio
06-13-2010, 07:01 PM
Well, the more religion you include, the greater the chance of controversy. which raises the possibility of the game being cancelled..soo yeaahhh...but i do like your idea though dont get me wrong, I'm actually a christian pastor..i love the game.!

phil.llllll
06-13-2010, 07:12 PM
Originally posted by TJByrum2:

I'd much prefer an Assassin's Creed with much heavier religious reference.

Altair: "God had nothing to do with it, I was just the better fighter."
Richard: "Haha, you may not believe in Him, but He believes in you."

I don't really care specifically to have more religious references. I do like the one you quoted (almost perfectly) - which is one my favorite quotes by Altair. Another one of his that echoes that - "not fortune, but skill". And in AC2 Mario says something along the same lines as well - "not sorcery, skill". If anything I like the willingness that the characters have to stay grounded in reality (or the sci fi reality of AC) rather than attribute things to gods or other mystical occurences.

And the game makes it pretty clear it doesn't consider religion much too important. With that said unless it's for a specific reason, I'm not sure just throwing in religious references for the hell of it would do anything for the game.

TJByrum2
06-13-2010, 07:31 PM
Yeah, I forgot about all that controversy crap. I hate it when people make up the stupidest stuff about a game.

I am partially a Christian, which means I simply believe in Him, but I necessarily worship him as I should. But even though I am a Christian I do not care if a person is Satanic, Atheist, Buddhist, etc etc... they can still be a potential friend.

Anyway, I do like it when they mention Biblical references. Another quote I liked was the Pickpocket mission on AC1. It was like one guy saying something and telling the other "The Bible says...(((something)))..." And then the other guy says "Actually the Bible doesn't say that, it says...(((something)))...".

EzioAssassin51
06-14-2010, 01:55 AM
"God helps those who help themselves"
"Actually the bible states quite the opposite"

Is what they say.

I am a Christian and i don't take any offense to anything.

I actually find it very interesting because it shows us other people's beliefs and opinions of God

Xanatos2007
06-14-2010, 02:59 AM
Originally posted by Altaezio:
Well, the more religion you include, the greater the chance of controversy. which raises the possibility of the game being cancelled
Actually that's what they said about Modern Warfare 2 and Mass Effect, but it just brought more attention to the games and they sold even better.

Originally posted by TJByrum2:
I am partially a Christian, which means I simply believe in Him, but I necessarily worship him as I should. But even though I am a Christian I do not care if a person is Satanic, Atheist, Buddhist, etc etc... they can still be a potential friend.
If only the entire world could be like that...

TJByrum2
06-14-2010, 06:02 AM
If only the entire world could be like that...

Thanks. I try my best to be a better person. It was only about a year ago when I began to change. I use to be this ******* of a person, didn't care about anyone but myself, someone you'd punch in the face.

I've changed, I've come to love everyone, or accept the fact I have to if I don't want to.

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Yes,


"God helps those who help themselves"
"Actually the bible states quite the opposite"

That one is it. It was weird how the Pope, Borgia, didn't believe in Religion (but he was a Templar anyway). What made me like Altair is when he told... Tamir I think "People should be free to believe whatever they want." I think it was that...

Xanatos2007
06-14-2010, 06:13 AM
Jubair al-Hakim, actually:

Jubair: Why? Why have you done this?
Altair: Men must be free to do what they believe. It is not our right to punish one for thinking what they do, no matter how much we disagree.
Jubair: Then what?
Altair: You of all people should know. Educate them, teach them right from wrong - it must be knowledge that frees them, not force.
Jubair: They do not learn, fixed in their ways as they are. It is an illness, for which there is but one cure.
Altair: You are wrong, and that is why you must be put to rest.
Jubair: Am I not unlike those precious books you seek to save; a source of knowledge with which you disagree? Yet you are rather quick to steal my life.
Altair: A small sacrifice to save many. It is necessary.
Jubair: Is it not ancient scrolls that inspire the Crusaders? That fill Saladin and his men with a sense of righteous fury? Their texts endanger others, bring death in their wake. I too was making a small sacrifice. It matters little now. Your deed is done... and so am I.

lilbacchant
06-14-2010, 12:23 PM
Originally posted by Xanatos2007:
Altair: Men must be free to do what they believe. It is not our right to punish one for thinking what they do, no matter how much we disagree.
[....]
Altair: You are wrong, and that is why you must be put to rest.

That conversation right there illustrates the thinking-maturity used in the storytelling: i.e., the contradictions we all use to justify what we believe is right and wrong.

Altair addresses this very point in the Codex Pages in AC2 and, imo, is an example of what made Altair a much more interesting character than Ezio. Altair used his experiences to learn about not only the human psyche in general, but, most importantly, his own psyche.

Ezio, otoh, at least in the storytelling, barely reaches the "Killing, what is it good for?" question. Altair showed the ability to be reflective, whereas Ezio never seems to be more than a reactionary.

Xanatos2007
06-14-2010, 12:27 PM
That's what I think AC2 lacked; they only brushed slightly on the 'Creed' part of 'Assassin's Creed' and only half (maybe 2/3) of the 'Assassin' part.

phil.llllll
06-14-2010, 03:21 PM
Originally posted by lilbacchant:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Xanatos2007:
Altair: Men must be free to do what they believe. It is not our right to punish one for thinking what they do, no matter how much we disagree.
[....]
Altair: You are wrong, and that is why you must be put to rest.

That conversation right there illustrates the thinking-maturity used in the storytelling: i.e., the contradictions we all use to justify what we believe is right and wrong.

Altair addresses this very point in the Codex Pages in AC2 and, imo, is an example of what made Altair a much more interesting character than Ezio. Altair used his experiences to learn about not only the human psyche in general, but, most importantly, his own psyche.

Ezio, otoh, at least in the storytelling, barely reaches the "Killing, what is it good for?" question. Altair showed the ability to be reflective, whereas Ezio never seems to be more than a reactionary. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Completely agreed.. He had a level of depth that just wasn't really there in Ezio. Not saying he was a bad character though.

john63
06-14-2010, 10:31 PM
I also agree that Altair was a lot more deep and thoughtful than Ezio, and had more internal conflict about whether or not he was doing the right thing. (Although that might have just come through more, since Altair's death-cutscenes were longer.)

I think that their backgrounds played a big part in making them that way. Ezio entered the brotherhood in his late teens and early twenties, and joined to get revenge, and only later realized the greater good that he was accomplishing, and the greater purpose he was called to.
Altair was raised from birth as a warrior-monk, and I'm sure that he had extensive education on the morality of his actions. If you look at the origins of the Hashashin, he might have even been brainwashed by Al Mualim, and Altair's moral struggles may have been the unraveling of that brainwashing.
Maybe in Brotherhood, since Ezio's older and wiser, he'll be more deep and thoughtful http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

UchihaKarasu
06-14-2010, 11:22 PM
I like that the game treats religion as a part of history, instead of other games who prefer to edit it out.
Religion is a HUGE part of our past and has affected our culture today.
Whether being a believer or not, it would be stupid too ignore such a crucial element, especially if your going for a historical game.

I also appreciate that the game treats religion (at least from the Assassins point of view) as a choice, a way a person chooses to live their life, not some sort of brainwashing cult (thought many people through out history have tried to make it so)

BLooDLineS666
06-21-2010, 10:48 AM
Well, in my opinion, religions must be added to a game the way AC series does...

Stormpen
06-24-2010, 11:41 AM
Actually, maybe religion was intended to be a subplot of the series, because, In AC, Altair's character, and Altair himself point out the importance of choice, and free will in everything you do, including religion. As opposed to the Templar's policy on working for 'the greater good', assuming the they're the only one's with the wisdom to judge the world. Which can be closely compared with religious fanaticism.

That's part of why I loved AC, it really gave me food for thought.

plug-inalex
06-24-2010, 12:06 PM
Well the thing is, AC actually cleverly avoids the issues of any contraversy by mainly not going into religion with much detail, merely using references and still maintaining that deep sense of faith and.. possibly emotion?

TheLeoCrow
06-24-2010, 01:12 PM
Suppose everything shown in the game was real and public knowledge. It wouldn't really matter, just as the discovery of dinosaurs didn't matter nor did the discovery that the earth is round. Sure there are still those who refuse to ackgnowledge those things but the fact is that if they tought us anything is that we should look for the hidden meanings in any religious text rather than just the words that are written. Unfortunatelly there's an endless supply of people who know the Bible by heart, they think that they are perfect christians and yet they don't understand what the book really says...

klaytonmh95
06-24-2010, 01:19 PM
I thank Ac1 has more Religion then Ac2 Templars arent in the 14th or 15th century.And Templars are very Religiest.

http://assassinscreed-brotherhoods.webs.com/

El_Sjietah
06-25-2010, 04:05 AM
Originally posted by klaytonmh95:
I thank Ac1 has more Religion then Ac2 Templars arent in the 14th or 15th century.And Templars are very Religiest.


Not in AC though.

Medifro
06-25-2010, 04:54 AM
There's actually very strong references to history the the Islamic sect of the Hashashim ( or Arabic Hashasheen, the sect itself is a branch of a group of sects called Ismailia, famous for being the origin of the Shia sect seen today mainly in Iran and Iraq ), even from the first glimpse which I thought was astounding. For example:

The first thing you see is Altair surrounded by females in the garden of Paradise in Masyaf. This is exactly what Hashashins historically do to new recruits. According to their sect,a new recruit whos usually a child or young adult is given a big dose of weed (which is Hashish in Arabic, thats why they got the name of Hashasheen ), he goes into euphoria, they put him in a nice garden with females surrounding him. He's told that that this is heaven, and in order to live there forever, he has to put his life for the sect and by killing the targets, he is guaranteed to go to this heaven. The extreme dedication to bring their targets down even if it leads to their death, and the methods to used to achieve it is what made the Hashashins reputation.

Other references include the feather Altair use to take the blood of his targets. To my knowledge, Hashashins were accused of using wizardry and sorcery, with feathers having to do with it as a symbol.

The castle in Masyaf bears resemblance to the Almut castle (Amlut = death ), the home of the Hashashims which had a very strong terrain advantage. Thats the reason Salah Aldin ( who they try to assassinate 3 times ) wasnt able to conquer it. Later it was destroyed by Holako during the mongol invasion.

So yeah, I think the game rocks :P

UBOSOFT-Gamer
06-28-2010, 02:55 PM
The father of Protestants could play a role since he was teh founder and millions of people are protestants around the globe and was a reason for the Thirty Years War

plug-inalex
06-29-2010, 12:30 AM
The use of the hashashin used by the assassins were only theoriesand had not actually been proved... or the theories are heavily argued about I think. In AC I think they actually just ignore the use of hash... which kind of makes sense... it's just a game, but they could of built on it as a cool freakydelic training mission in the first one (playing jimmy hendrix - foxy lady). Then it would be an awesomer game!

EmperorxZurg
06-29-2010, 12:41 AM
Originally posted by klaytonmh95:
I thank Ac1 has more Religion then Ac2 Templars arent in the 14th or 15th century.And Templars are very Religiest.

http://assassinscreed-brotherhoods.webs.com/
I'll edit this post once i Read everything but what? Templars were definitely around in Ezio's time. and no Templars weren't religious. ever since they were forced from a warrior monk order of the Cross, they were barely religious. Prisoners were forced to fight for them as a kind of community service. Religion almost had nothing to do with them for most of it which most people seem to forget....I'll go and read the rest now.

Ru1986
06-29-2010, 03:14 AM
d1sturbedme_468 is right there werre defo templars aroound in Ezios time. Everyone thinks of the Templars as knights not true the founder of the templars was a preist originally before he founded the order i forget his name but you can google it. Just because its not written about them it does not mean they are not there, dont believe everything you see on TV guys, Read. Templars diddnt base their ideas on religion but its too balck and white a statement to say they weren't religious because that was all down to the idividual the Tempalrs did not base their views around religion but they were belivers majoritly.

austin128
06-29-2010, 01:49 PM
Originally posted by UBOSOFT-Gamer:
The father of Protestants could play a role since he was teh founder and millions of people are protestants around the globe and was a reason for the Thirty Years War
Yeah I agree. They would most likely be neutral or allies with the Assassin's since the Catholic Church will probably still be lead by Templars.

YasinH1
03-23-2013, 10:11 AM
The assassin are muslims because they talk arabic the best and holyest lanuage that muslims have to learn and all the assassin have muslim names like altair,amualahim,yusuf and ezio.I have lots of proof they are muslim because at important points they talk the arabic lanuage and i know you know they talk arabic because if you play the game they say arabic word in it.

YasinH1
03-23-2013, 10:14 AM
The templars are christians and the assassins are muslims!

pirate1802
03-23-2013, 10:21 AM
O_o

I don't even..

Did you play the other AC games YasinH1? Templars and Assassins are both global organizations with people from all religions. There have been Christian Assassins and Muslim Templars too.

Bullet747
03-23-2013, 10:41 AM
I'm pretty sure Altair was an atheist and Connor I guess held native american beliefs though they never really go into what he thinks exactly.

MasterAssasin84
03-23-2013, 10:47 AM
The templars are christians and the assassins are muslims!

Clearly you dont know your Assassins Creed, the Assassin Brotherhood is made up of all types of creeds races and religions all dedicating themselves to a single purpose and belief i.e. freedom and equality the freedom for men and women to follow their own paths and destiny the templars are a masonic order who are seeking order and structure under a single banner.

These beliefs are in no way religious influenced, none of the Assassins follow any religion.

Ezio was no way a muslim , Altair was no way a muslim , Connor certainly not.

Both orders are made up of different people from different religions dedicating themselves to a single belief that is not religion bound.

lothario-da-be
03-23-2013, 10:53 AM
The assassin are muslims because they talk arabic the best and holyest lanuage that muslims have to learn and all the assassin have muslim names like altair,amualahim,yusuf and ezio.I have lots of proof they are muslim because at important points they talk the arabic lanuage and i know you know they talk arabic because if you play the game they say arabic word in it.
Your post is nonsens, but thanks to bring this thread up again! It was a very interesting read.

YasinH1
03-23-2013, 10:56 AM
assassins creed is based on the religion islam and they are muslim

pirate1802
03-23-2013, 10:57 AM
assassins creed is based on the religion islam and they are muslim

-________________________-

What are ya smoking bro?

YasinH1
03-23-2013, 10:59 AM
your rubish lothario-da-be they are muslim but i like your post picture

pirate1802
03-23-2013, 11:00 AM
Okay, prove how Ezio Auditore da Firenze is a Muslim?

YasinH1
03-23-2013, 11:02 AM
shut up pirate 1808 your so dum are you drunk or somthing

YasinH1
03-23-2013, 11:03 AM
:mad::p:rolleyes::cool::eek::nonchalance::o:D;):): (:confused:

pirate1802
03-23-2013, 11:04 AM
I asked you a question. If Assassins are Muslims then Ezio must be Muslim too right?

YasinH1
03-23-2013, 11:04 AM
but ezio is cathlic and half muslim he is trying to be muslim because altair is a muslim

pirate1802
03-23-2013, 11:05 AM
Kay, I got my answer. Nothing more to do here. *flies away*

MasterAssasin84
03-23-2013, 11:06 AM
assassins creed is based on the religion islam and they are muslim


Dude what ****ing drugs are you on could kindly explain how Ezio is a Muslim because i would love to hear this.

pirate1802
03-23-2013, 11:07 AM
but ezio is cathlic and half muslim he is trying to be muslim because altair is a muslim

How is he half-Muslim and where is he trying to be a Muslim?

Bullet747
03-23-2013, 11:07 AM
Altair was an atheist. He stated this many times in AC1.

YasinH1
03-23-2013, 11:07 AM
send somthing

pirate1802
03-23-2013, 11:07 AM
Dude what ****ing drugs are you on could kindly explain how Ezio is a Muslim because i would love to hear this.

The name of his drug is ignorance.

pirate1802
03-23-2013, 11:08 AM
send somthing

I can send you many good porno links. Just gimme your email eh? :)

Bullet747
03-23-2013, 11:08 AM
The name of his drug is ignorance. I think insanity covers it.

YasinH1
03-23-2013, 11:08 AM
at the mosque at jureslem were altair prayed, a mulim place of worship

YasinH1
03-23-2013, 11:09 AM
f you pirate 1808

pirate1802
03-23-2013, 11:09 AM
at the mosque at jureslem were altair prayed, a mulim place of worship

Did you see Altair praying too?

ArabianFrost
03-23-2013, 11:10 AM
I honestly liked how they implemented religion into the whole first civ mythology, with all the messengers being first civ, explaining their miracles and what not. I still felt like they didn't even scratch the surface of how this mythology could be utilised, possibly because the predicted outrage and the general lack of interest about the mythology (god knows why no one is interested in such a deep concept). However, I must point out that they were contradicting when they said in AC2 that first civ were worshipped as gods, but then in AC3, they told us that Desmond would eventually be considered a god, despite not being First civ. Sure you might say that he would eventually become a god because of falsified ideologies to obtain power, but if that is the case, then you didn't really have to be first civ to be worshipped, debunking the idea that messengers and gods were first civ.

pirate1802
03-23-2013, 11:10 AM
f you pirate 1808

But I only wanted to send you something, as you asked. :( Something else then?

YasinH1
03-23-2013, 11:10 AM
your a wimp pirate 1808

Bullet747
03-23-2013, 11:11 AM
I don't ever recall Altair praying. I do recall him refuting the existence of god. I'm not sure Connor even knew what islam was.

MasterAssasin84
03-23-2013, 11:11 AM
There is no place on hear for people like him.

YasinH1
03-23-2013, 11:11 AM
i did see altair praying on AC 1

pirate1802
03-23-2013, 11:12 AM
I honestly liked how they implemented religion into the whole first civ mythology, with all the messengers being first civ, explaining their miracles and what not. I still felt like they didn't even scratch the surface of how this mythology could be utilised, possibly because the predicted outrage and the general lack of interest about the mythology (god knows why no one is interested in such a deep concept). However, I must point out that they were contradicting when they said in AC2 that first civ were worshipped as gods, but then in AC3, they told us that Desmond would eventually be considered a god, despite not being First civ. Sure you might say that he would eventually become a god because of falsified ideologies to obtain power, but if that is the case, then you didn't really have to be first civ to be worshipped, debunking the idea that messengers and gods were first civ.

I don't think all messengers were First Civ gods. Was Jesus a TWCB God too? I think it was implied that the messengers only used TWCB artifacts to perform miracles. Also yes, I loved the intertwining of myth, religion and mystery. One of the core concepts that attracted me to AC in the first place!

YasinH1
03-23-2013, 11:13 AM
F you assassin master 84

pirate1802
03-23-2013, 11:13 AM
i did see altair praying on AC 1

No you just saw him mimicking praying scholars. There's a difference between the two. Have you actually even played the game?

Bullet747
03-23-2013, 11:13 AM
I think you might need to check yourself into a clinic YasinH1. Also you still haven't answered about Connor.

ArabianFrost
03-23-2013, 11:14 AM
at the mosque at jureslem were altair prayed, a mulim place of worship

Please no. As a muslim, please, for god's sake, NO. He stated his belief in a poly-deity, but eventually he came to disbelieve all such things when he knew about the first civ. And ezio? Really? He screams non-religious all over the game.

YasinH1
03-23-2013, 11:14 AM
i am muslim my religion is islam

YasinH1
03-23-2013, 11:15 AM
i know he is a muslim because he talkes arabic and prays nomaz

ArabianFrost
03-23-2013, 11:16 AM
i am muslim my religion is islam

Whop tee doo, so am I and a few other guys. You don't have to be so pretentious about it. No one cares.

pirate1802
03-23-2013, 11:16 AM
Protip: Anyone living in the middle east and speaking Arabic doesn't automatically become a Muslim. Who knew?

YasinH1
03-23-2013, 11:17 AM
sorry its muslim not mulim and he prayed at irak in juruslem/suadi arabia

Bullet747
03-23-2013, 11:17 AM
i am muslim my religion is islam

Where are you from dude?

YasinH1
03-23-2013, 11:18 AM
i never said that i meant altair is a muslim because he prayed namaz in mosque

pirate1802
03-23-2013, 11:19 AM
sorry its muslim not mulim and he prayed at irak in juruslem/suadi arabia

Jerusalem is in Iraq or Saudi Arabia? ****.. I knew they taught me wrong in school.. Dem Templar history teachers!

YasinH1
03-23-2013, 11:19 AM
i am from suadi arabia but came to europe

YasinH1
03-23-2013, 11:19 AM
you can even see it in google maps

pirate1802
03-23-2013, 11:20 AM
i never said that i meant altair is a muslim because he prayed namaz in mosque

Show me a pic or video of Altair praying (and not mimicking) and I'll shave my beard and leave piracy.

ArabianFrost
03-23-2013, 11:21 AM
I don't think all messengers were First Civ gods. Was Jesus a TWCB God too? I think it was implied that the messengers only used TWCB artifacts to perform miracles. Also yes, I loved the intertwining of myth, religion and mystery. One of the core concepts that attracted me to AC in the first place!

Minerva clearly implied that all messengers and alleged gods, can be all related to first civ people, one way or another. She never elaborated the use of first civ tools to appear as gods, but it is a possibly. For now, Minerva's words in AC2 indicate they were all First civ.

Bullet747
03-23-2013, 11:21 AM
i am from suadi arabia but came to europe You like speaking about your religion to people?

pirate1802
03-23-2013, 11:23 AM
Minerva clearly implied that all messengers and alleged gods, can be all related to first civ people, one way or another. She never elaborated the use of first civ tools to appear as gods, but it is a possibly. For now, Minerva's words in AC2 indicate they were all First civ.

Which words of Minerva exactly? Not doubting you, its just my memory.. it all seems so distant.. so fuzzy..

MasterAssasin84
03-23-2013, 11:24 AM
F you assassin master 84


Could you explain how you saw Altair or any Assassin go to a mosque and pray ? because ive certainly never seen it ?

YasinH1
03-23-2013, 11:24 AM
o c mon send me a message

ArabianFrost
03-23-2013, 11:24 AM
Show me a pic or video of Altair praying (and not mimicking) and I'll shave my beard and leave piracy.

Please do not give this naÔve guy any more reason to talk. I am just afraid this can turn ugly real soon.

YasinH1
03-23-2013, 11:25 AM
i am not talking about any over assassin only altair and ezio but only altair is a true muslim

pirate1802
03-23-2013, 11:26 AM
Ignore him, let's return to more yummy discussions. :)

YasinH1
03-23-2013, 11:27 AM
shut up arabic assassin

Bullet747
03-23-2013, 11:27 AM
i am not talking about any over assassin only altair and ezio but only altair is a true muslim

Why is it so important to you that Altair's a muslim?

YasinH1
03-23-2013, 11:27 AM
so G.A*

YasinH1
03-23-2013, 11:28 AM
Shut up pirate 1808

AherasSTRG
03-23-2013, 11:28 AM
I believe that my article might cause a fiery religious war. I am writing it only for some open-minded forumers, like Mr Assassin_M, so that they can tell me their thought and then I will erase it from existence. I also wanna say that I am a Christian in heart and as a greek, christianity is a religion that totally flows in my Blood. Everything from here on are about the game (the fantasy that the developers had created playing with history).
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The series at its first steps not only had religious references, but it really involves around religion and more precisely, Christianity. In the Holy Lands of the 12th Century, the majority of the population were Christians and so was the order of the Assassins. In reality / real life / history, the order of the assassins was a religious order. When I started the first game, I had that in mind.
The Assassins in the game were assassinating people in order to promote free will in accordance to God's guidance. However, at the end of the first game Al Mualim reveals that he had found proof that "Nothing is true, everything is permitted". When Altair asked him what the Apple of Eden was, he replied that it was the item that "made man walk on sea, that turned water into wine, that made the sea split in two"... All these were miracles performed by religious men (Christ and Moeses) and are described in the Bible. NOTHING IS TRUE === CHRISTIANITY is not true. And not only, Christianity. Both Christ and Moeses are considered prophets in other religions, like the Muslim's one. But NOTHING OF ALL THAT is true, that's the meaning of the Assassin's Creed 1's ending.
What Al Mualim had suggested in the first game was "There is no God" (or at least, God is not the one we think he is) and that Crhistinity is but a lie. After Altair became the mentor he had to face a transition in the Order's philosophy. The foundations of his order should not be religious anymore, but he had to recreate them and ground the whole order on them. The newly formed goals of the assassins (knowledge, which leads to truth, which leads to peace, stability and freedom) would guide them until the present day.
Later on, on the second game, we begin learning the truth, how man was created, who created them, how, when, why... (Adam and Eve by the ones who came before as slaves and so on). In fact, Rodrigo Borgia, himself states that the Bible is not but a book of superstition.
Therefore, the story of the Assassin's Creed universe, not only has religious references, it negates the very principles of modern religions, questioning our beliefs and views on the world.
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Moreover, it should be noted that the names of the Ones Who Came Before (OWCB) were the exact same that the Ancient Greek and later Romans used to call their Gods (Minerva, Juno, Jupiter and so on). The game totally erodes the major religions of the modern world but gives some truth to those other religions that were erased in the passage of history.

YasinH1
03-23-2013, 11:29 AM
Its not ok lets talk about somthing alse then

MasterAssasin84
03-23-2013, 11:29 AM
i am not talking about any over assassin only altair and ezio but only altair is a true muslim

Dude Altair was an atheist correction ! he never spoke of islam or christianity, if you read his codex and writings he feared his own death because he knew that nothing awaited him.

If you listen to Rodrigo Borgia during the fight with in Ezio in the vault he quite clearly says that the bible in his term is a book of superstition and lies .

the assassins creed teaches people to follow their own path.

YasinH1
03-23-2013, 11:30 AM
actully christians are not assassin mulims are assassins AC

Bullet747
03-23-2013, 11:31 AM
This one seems incapable of reason.

YasinH1
03-23-2013, 11:31 AM
wrong

YasinH1
03-23-2013, 11:32 AM
i need to go now see u later

pirate1802
03-23-2013, 11:32 AM
YasinH1, please go back to whatever cave you crept out of, and let us grown up folks have a civil discussion here.

Yay, he followed my advice. :D

Bullet747
03-23-2013, 11:33 AM
I would ask where these people come from but I'm not sure I want to know.

YasinH1
03-23-2013, 11:35 AM
imagesCA3VVTX4PROOF

pirate1802
03-23-2013, 11:37 AM
Lel

lothario-da-be
03-23-2013, 11:37 AM
shut up pirate 1808 your so dum are you drunk or somthing
you are drunk, Ezio a muslim name?

YasinH1
03-23-2013, 11:37 AM
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

ArabianFrost
03-23-2013, 11:37 AM
Which words of Minerva exactly? Not doubting you, its just my memory.. it all seems so distant.. so fuzzy..http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/First_Civilization

I stand corrected. Gods were first civ, but some messengers simply used the pieces of eden to convey miracles. As far as the speech in AC2 goes, the hypothesis of all being first civ was the more prominent one. Read the legacy in the wiki article.

YasinH1
03-23-2013, 11:38 AM
IT IS tho

YasinH1
03-23-2013, 11:38 AM
your not a muslim you dont know

Bullet747
03-23-2013, 11:38 AM
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

He's broken.

lothario-da-be
03-23-2013, 11:38 AM
but ezio is cathlic and half muslim he is trying to be muslim because altair is a muslim
:confused::nonchalance::eek::p:o:D:);););)

MasterAssasin84
03-23-2013, 11:41 AM
http://generatormeme.com/media/created/c98vtj.jpg

YasinH1
03-23-2013, 11:41 AM
because altair is a muslim and ezio is altair a sester and ezio wants to be muslim

pirate1802
03-23-2013, 11:43 AM
Brothers, sisters and fellow Romans. The guy is a troll. Let's ignore him and stop quoting him. Trolls tend to disappear when not fed with attention.

ArabianFrost
03-23-2013, 11:45 AM
Brothers, sisters and fellow Romans. The guy is a troll. Let's ignore him and stop quoting him. Trolls tend to disappear when not fed with attention.

The sense this man speaks is unrivalled.

YasinH1
03-23-2013, 11:49 AM
f************************************************* ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************k

MasterAssasin84
03-23-2013, 11:50 AM
your not a muslim you dont know

Ezio is not a Muslim neither did he want to be Altair is not a muslim he was an atheist Connor was not a muslim, so i would suggest take your preaching else were because we are all friends on here and there is no place for fanaticism on here.

YasinH1
03-23-2013, 11:51 AM
f off arabic assassin f offfffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff

MasterAssasin84
03-23-2013, 11:51 AM
Mr Shade this thread is going to turn nasty can we lock this .

AherasSTRG
03-23-2013, 11:52 AM
No need to lock anything, just go to his profile page and click on the ignore.

pirate1802
03-23-2013, 11:53 AM
That would be sad, if we get this thread locked because of one immature child. It'd be better if he was locked up and the thread spared. :D

YasinH1
03-23-2013, 11:53 AM
i got more friends then you on an other website so fuc* offfffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff and i am going

MasterAssasin84
03-23-2013, 11:55 AM
i got more friends then you on an other website so fuc* offfffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff and i am going

see you later mate good bye and rem close the door behind because you have no friends on here.

MasterAssasin84
03-23-2013, 11:58 AM
That would be sad, if we get this thread locked because of one immature child. It'd be better if he was locked up and the thread spared. :D


We are the true Assassins of this forum promoting peace equality and acceptance were man and woman can live side by side. unlike the Templar Autocrat that is yasinH1

AherasSTRG
03-23-2013, 12:00 PM
We are getting a bit out of topic.

ArabianFrost
03-23-2013, 01:50 PM
Without turning this into a flamewar, can religion and the creed be practised parallel to each other or is religion of more Templar ideologies?

pirate1802
03-23-2013, 01:58 PM
Without turning this into a flamewar, can religion and the creed be practised parallel to each other or is religion of more Templar ideologies?

In the ACverse, all religions originate from TWCB, or their artifacts. So once someone (Read: Assassins or Templars) has seen the "truth", its difficult to go back to the old ways knowing it is but a facade. Speaking of which have we actually seen an Assassin or Templar with professed belief?

AjinkyaParuleka
03-23-2013, 02:11 PM
In the ACverse, all religions originate from TWCB, or their artifacts. So once someone (Read: Assassins or Templars) has seen the "truth", its difficult to go back to the old ways knowing it is but a facade. Speaking of which have we actually seen an Assassin or Templar with professed belief?
I believe many Assassins and Templar believed in God.Its not like all Templar and Assassins saw twcb stuff.Actually Minerva did confirmed that they certainly were not gods and goddesses,just messengers,messengers through their artifacts.It is Human who entitled them as Gods,because the use of their advanced technology.Gods probably started to exist after a few generations passed over after 75k catastrophe.
Assassins are not all atheist group,they promote free will,you can do what you want,believe any religion,any idea.I,for once is an atheist.Religion has played parts in human history.I strongly believe the Ancient Astronauts theory.
And for that Yasin guy,Altair was an atheist,that's for sure,and Ezio was certainly not Muslim,and he did not wanted to become Altair,did you not hear him say"Do not follow me or someone else,follow your own beliefs,your own Ideas"Why the hell he should follow Altair.
He was lucky M,wasn't here,he would have owned him in a matter of seconds.

ArabianFrost
03-23-2013, 02:24 PM
I believe many Assassins and Templar believed in God.Its not like all Templar and Assassins saw twcb stuff.Actually Minerva did confirmed that they certainly were not gods and goddesses,just messengers,messengers through their artifacts.It is Human who entitled them as Gods,because the use of their advanced technology.Gods probably started to exist after a few generations passed over after 75k catastrophe.
Assassins are not all atheist group,they promote free will,you can do what you want,believe any religion,any idea.I,for once is an atheist.Religion has played parts in human history.I strongly believe the Ancient Astronauts theory.
And for that Yasin guy,Altair was an atheist,that's for sure,and Ezio was certainly not Muslim,and he did not wanted to become Altair,did you not hear him say"Do not follow me or someone else,follow your own beliefs,your own Ideas"Why the hell he should follow Altair.
He was lucky M,wasn't here,he would have owned him in a matter of seconds.

Indeed. The existence of TWCB doesn't approve or deny the existence of some sort of deity. Personally, since the Templars themselves were bewildered when they discovered the "Truth" in the 12th century, I'd say religion lies on the more neutral side of matters, but is somewhat leaning towards assassin ideals, as evident by its adoption into many branches of the creed.

Also, what could have M done. The man's idiocy was just unbelievably overwhelming

pirate1802
03-23-2013, 02:35 PM
Indeed. The existence of TWCB doesn't approve or deny the existence of some sort of deity.

Yeah sure, but, that deity wouldn't be the same as what Christian or Muslims or Jews in the ACverse worship. It would be completely unknown to us. I mean sure probably even TWCB themselves believed in some sort of deity. But that thing is not the same as theist humans worship in ACverse methinks.

I mean come to think of it, the person who knows Jesus performed all his miracles with the help of a PoE, can he still Jesus was the son of God? Sure the person can still believe in a higher power, but probably not the Christian version of it.

ArabianFrost
03-23-2013, 02:41 PM
Yeah sure, but, that deity wouldn't be the same as what Christian or Muslims or Jews in the ACverse worship. It would be completely unknown to us. I mean sure probably even TWCB themselves believed in some sort of deity. But that thing is not the same as theist humans worship in ACverse methinks.

I mean come to think of it, the person who knows Jesus performed all his miracles with the help of a PoE, can he still Jesus was the son of God? Sure the person can still believe in a higher power, but probably not the Christian version of it.

Which would eventually lead us to the ultimate paradox of this discussion. Considering humanity's rather simple intelligence, can we really make any definitive assumptions before the time of death? Probably not.

pirate1802
03-23-2013, 02:47 PM
Which would eventually lead us to the ultimate paradox of this discussion. Considering humanity's rather simple intelligence, can we really make any definitive assumptions before the time of death? Probably not.

True.

ArabianFrost
03-23-2013, 02:49 PM
True.

So end of discussion?

pirate1802
03-23-2013, 03:08 PM
so end of discussion?

unexpected end of debate ftw!

Sushiglutton
03-23-2013, 03:23 PM
Since you can't assassinate cows in AC3 I'm thinking Connor may be Hindu :confused:

ArabianFrost
03-23-2013, 03:41 PM
unexpected end of debate ftw!

Not really, I saw this coming miles away. Nearly every religious debate ends in this matter. How can you really argue anymore when Humanity is limited in intelligence and perception?

ArabianFrost
03-23-2013, 03:42 PM
Since you can't assassinate cows in AC3 I'm thinking Connor may be Hindu :confused:

Come to think of it, maybe Hindus and Indians do share some things in common.

pirate1802
03-23-2013, 03:58 PM
Come to think of it, maybe Hindus and Indians do share some things in common.

Assuming Indians here implies Native Americans and not people of the Indian subcontinent, you're right. Both are paganistic in nature. They have a lot in common.

Assassin_M
03-23-2013, 09:35 PM
I had fun...no really...reading 10 pages of that was pretty fun

shobhit7777777
03-23-2013, 09:54 PM
Come to think of it, maybe Hindus and Indians do share some things in common.

Like stereotypical cliches often involving mysticism, spirituality and enigmatic wisdom?

JK

MasterAssasin84
03-23-2013, 10:30 PM
Like stereotypical cliches often involving mysticism, spirituality and enigmatic wisdom?

JK


But i actualy think Buddism and Hindu's is a very interesting religion, 2 years ago i went to Kyoto in japan and to say the least its beautiful but i found Buddism very interresting because like hindu they worship life liberty and nature, i am going to be very careful with my words hear because i do not want to offend anyone, but i will say i am seasoned traveller and i have been to most places and experienced alot of cultures, when i visited the arab emirates as much as i loved the place when i was in downtown Dubai i could not help but feel restricted due to the enforced laws which was motivated by religion when i went to Baga in India i felt much more at ease.

This is why i choose not to follow any religion because i feel that these days its more of an ideology and a cult rather than a faith.

shobhit7777777
03-23-2013, 10:47 PM
But i actualy think Buddism and Hindu's is a very interesting religion, 2 years ago i went to Kyoto in japan and to say the least its beautiful but i found Buddism very interresting because like hindu they worship life liberty and nature, i am going to be very careful with my words hear because i do not want to offend anyone, but i will say i am seasoned traveller and i have been to most places and experienced alot of cultures, when i visited the arab emirates as much as i loved the place when i was in downtown Dubai i could not help but feel restricted due to the enforced laws which was motivated by religion when i went to Baga in India i felt much more at ease.

This is why i choose not to follow any religion because i feel that these days its more of an ideology and a cult rather than a faith.

No offense taken. I'm glad you enjoy travelling and learning about foreign cultures.

MasterAssasin84
03-23-2013, 11:10 PM
No offense taken. I'm glad you enjoy travelling and learning about foreign cultures.

Serious dude its a real eye opener !! i just wish people would extend their minds before making rash judgements !! i mean i was guilty of it at one point before i travelled and i found that travelling does bring a degree of enlightenment.

Assassin_M
03-24-2013, 12:23 AM
Serious dude its a real eye opener !! i just wish people would extend their minds before making rash judgements !! i mean i was guilty of it at one point before i travelled and i found that travelling does bring a degree of enlightenment.
I loved Ezio`s message about the Order..

"Love binds our Order together. love of people, of cultures, of the world" -Ezio Auditore..

Just so deep

MasterAssasin84
03-24-2013, 12:30 AM
I loved Ezio`s message about the Order..

"Love binds our Order together. love of people, of cultures, of the world" -Ezio Auditore..

Just so deep


Do you not think that Governments of today could learn a thing or too from Assassins Creed !

Assassin_M
03-24-2013, 12:32 AM
Do you not think that Governments of today could learn a thing or too from Assassins Creed !
Everyone could actually...AC is a message to humanity (as cheesy as that sounds)

apart from the eh killing and all

MasterAssasin84
03-24-2013, 12:35 AM
Everyone could actually...AC is a message to humanity (as cheesy as that sounds)

apart from the eh killing and all

I think Assassins Creed delivers a strong message in general !! do you recall in ACR when prince Suliehman said to Ezio the world is a tapestry of colours and cultures and such men ( referring to the Templars ) would seek to unravel this.

observing the events of today i cant help but see truth in that.

Assassin_M
03-24-2013, 12:40 AM
I think Assassins Creed delivers a strong message in general !! do you recall in ACR when prince Suliehman said to Ezio the world is a tapestry of colours and cultures and such men ( referring to the Templars ) would seek to unravel this.

observing the events of today i cant help but see truth in that.
It`s just how things are. A group wants to banish every other and assume control. It`s been happening since forever

ArabianFrost
03-24-2013, 08:51 AM
It`s just how things are. A group wants to banish every other and assume control. It`s been happening since forever

Survival of the fittest. A primal human character trait, that no longer makes sense in the 21st century, but we still abide by it for no known reason. Cooperation is the only solution to this doomed species.

Assassin_M
03-24-2013, 08:53 AM
Survival of the fittest. A primal human character trait, that no longer makes sense in the 21st century, but we still abide by it for no known reason. Cooperation is the only solution to this doomed species.
Keyword being doomed xD

we`re doomed for a reason and that`s probably it

ArabianFrost
03-24-2013, 09:00 AM
Keyword being doomed xD

we`re doomed for a reason and that`s probably it

That is why we need the apple to control people. Humans can no longer fathom what is good for themselves, thus, we need to do the understanding for them by our own hands. May the father of understanding guide us, but that's for another thread it seems.

Assassin_M
03-24-2013, 09:02 AM
That is why we need the apple to control people. Humans can no longer fathom what is good for themselves, thus, we need to the understanding for them by our own hands. May the father of understanding guide us, but that's for another thread it seems.
You embrace the father of understanding :O

pirate1802
03-24-2013, 09:04 AM
We found another one. :D

Assassin_M
03-24-2013, 09:05 AM
We found another one. :D
get him before he changes his mind. I`ll get the ring

pirate1802
03-24-2013, 09:08 AM
get him before he changes his mind. I`ll get the ring

That... sounds so wrong for some reason.. :p

Assassin_M
03-24-2013, 09:09 AM
That... sounds so wrong for some reason.. :p
Yes....Yes it does now that look at it :|

pirate1802
03-24-2013, 09:12 AM
You sure you got no hidden feelings M? I remember you had a similar exchange with roostersrule2 earlier this day xDDD

ArabianFrost
03-24-2013, 09:13 AM
You embrace the father of understanding :O

Not yet. I still find flaws in his method. What first led the fall of those who came before, will certainly lead to the fall of those who came after and seek to repeat what was before them. I don't want to repeat exceedingly ancient history, but I also don't seek to disregard it, for it has brought with it great civilisation and advancement. Should anyone ever be able to strike a balance between control and pleasantness, then it is their creed by which I will abide and it is their union that I will join, until then I am nothing but a lost soul, wandering between the myriad of ideas this and other species have to offer. I should make my group. Want to join? We (I) belong to the "Equilibrium". We have cookies and POEs.

Assassin_M
03-24-2013, 09:13 AM
You sure you got no hidden feelings M? I remember you had a similar exchange with roostersrule2 earlier this day xDDD
this occurs way too often...

bring me a naked female dammit and I`ll demonstrate.......my love for Biology

Assassin_M
03-24-2013, 09:14 AM
Not yet. I still find flaws in his method. What first led the fall of those who came before, will certainly lead to the fall of those who came after and seek to repeat what was before them. I don't want to repeat exceedingly ancient history, but I also don't seek to disregard it, for it has brought with it great civilisation and advancement. Should anyone ever be able to strike a balance between control and pleasantness, then it is their creed by which I will abide and it is their union that I will join, until then I am nothing but a lost soul, wandering between the myriad of ideas this and other species have to offer. I should make my group. Want to join? We (I) belong to the "Equilibrium". We have cookies and POEs.
Your offer sound generous :|

I`ll settle for just the cookies

ArabianFrost
03-24-2013, 09:16 AM
this occurs way too often...

bring me a naked female dammit and I`ll demonstrate.......my love for Biology


Your offer sound generous :|

I`ll settle for just the cookies

The hell with you. Either you join The equilibrium or you ain't gonna take no cookies.

pirate1802
03-24-2013, 09:30 AM
You got girls too? That might entice me to join your group.

Or, just give me the PoE that conjures reality out of thoughts. That'll take care of... things :|

shobhit7777777
03-24-2013, 09:32 AM
Serious dude its a real eye opener !! i just wish people would extend their minds before making rash judgements !! i mean i was guilty of it at one point before i travelled and i found that travelling does bring a degree of enlightenment.

Travelling is the best education...IMO

It does away with simple notions, stereotypes, false assumptions...broadens your horizons in ways that nothing else can.

I've been to Congo (Zaire), South Africa, USA, Italy, France, Switzerland, GB, Scotland, Thailand and the length and breadth of India..which is an entire continent unto itself. Those experiences have enriched me more so than any formal education I've recieved. I plan to explore India a bit more...do a South-North trip...end up at the foothills of the Himalayas..abode of Shiva and home to pristine beauty.

Then back to the civilized world and some virtual templar slaughter

ArabianFrost
03-24-2013, 09:34 AM
You got girls too? That might entice me to join your group.

Or, just give me the PoE that conjures reality out of thoughts. That'll take care of... things :|

We have a brothel nearby, you can always give them a visit on me. Should I sign you up for the 30 year member ship or the 60 year membership?

TinyTemplar
03-24-2013, 11:25 AM
What is "Equilibrium" group btw? What is it all about? Some kind of sect? Where are you from guys? How many are you?

I'm just curious. All I know about Equilibrium is:
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lwgpk5qLnV1qdwiw1o1_250.gif

RinoTheBouncer
03-24-2013, 12:30 PM
That is why we need the apple to control people. Humans can no longer fathom what is good for themselves, thus, we need to do the understanding for them by our own hands. May the father of understanding guide us, but that's for another thread it seems.

I agree, but who decide whether that person who holds the Apple is qualified enough to use it for the right reasons?


I believe many Assassins and Templar believed in God.Its not like all Templar and Assassins saw twcb stuff.Actually Minerva did confirmed that they certainly were not gods and goddesses,just messengers,messengers through their artifacts.It is Human who entitled them as Gods,because the use of their advanced technology.Gods probably started to exist after a few generations passed over after 75k catastrophe.
Assassins are not all atheist group,they promote free will,you can do what you want,believe any religion,any idea.I,for once is an atheist.Religion has played parts in human history.I strongly believe the Ancient Astronauts theory.
And for that Yasin guy,Altair was an atheist,that's for sure,and Ezio was certainly not Muslim,and he did not wanted to become Altair,did you not hear him say"Do not follow me or someone else,follow your own beliefs,your own Ideas"Why the hell he should follow Altair.
He was lucky M,wasn't here,he would have owned him in a matter of seconds.

I agree with you about Ancient Astronauts Theory and the rest. I think seeing TWCB doesn't confirm that there's no creator for the universe. Perhaps the way religion was delivered to us and the knowledge about this deity was under heavy influence of certain groups that tailored it to insure their own benefits remain preserved. Just like how a powerful civilization was labeled "Gods", the stories we know about religion might have undergone some alterations and modifications.

Anyway, I'm a Muslim myself but I'm opening to learning and reading theories, ideas and different possibilities and analysis. After all, we're all in search of the truth.

I also agree with you about Ezio. I don't think Ezio was completely an atheist. I think he was searching, he lived and died searching for knowledge. He promoted the freedom of choice to believe in what you want (which is what Islam promotes in clear texts that each person is free to practice their beliefs in peace). Not saying he's a Muslim but he's probably following a very enlightened path where he's open for new ideas, thoughts, facts and theories.

With Connor, I'm sure he also has a certain look at the world, it doesn't make him a believer nor an atheist. With him, the connection to religion was more ambiguous than with Ezio and Altair (through the dialogues and codex, respectively).

ArabianFrost
03-24-2013, 04:41 PM
What is "Equilibrium" group btw? What is it all about? Some kind of sect? Where are you from guys? How many are you?

I'm just curious. All I know about Equilibrium is:
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lwgpk5qLnV1qdwiw1o1_250.gif

Tired of the ruthless ways of templars, we have decided to start our own organisation, striving tk create a world where control prevails over all, however, we attempt to do that with our world being pleasant about such control, not repulsed by it, unlike the Templars and their heinous means. We also tend to borrow some ideals from the assassin order, but such things I am not ready to mention, until the minds of people are opened. Until now, it's only me and I think pirate may join, so we are fairly uncorrected. We also have cookies. Wish to join?

Giuswallace
02-02-2019, 01:42 PM
Can you be catholic and Muslim at the same time plus his father and brothers were catholic

Giuswallace
02-02-2019, 01:44 PM
Iím in