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xxcurarexx
10-28-2004, 03:02 PM
Ok, so I'm starting to get decent at shooting folks down on-line. But I still play as a lone Wulfe on most servers, and I don't have the kind of schedule that would allow me to join a squad. Still, every once in a while I'll notice a teammate of mine attach himself to my wing and fly with me to the hot spots. I think that's cool, but then I realize I don't know what role I'm supposed to play while this guy's on my wing. Do I just continue my hunting and trust him to watch my six? Is he expecting something of me? If so, what? I'd like to work effectively as a team...

Also, what is HE doing? Is he just watching my six or is he also searching for something or expecting me to lead him into the fight? If I dive to attack, will he follow or will he stay high, keep an eagle's eye view and watch my tail/flanks?

Thanks in advance for your tactical advice...

xxcurarexx
10-28-2004, 03:02 PM
Ok, so I'm starting to get decent at shooting folks down on-line. But I still play as a lone Wulfe on most servers, and I don't have the kind of schedule that would allow me to join a squad. Still, every once in a while I'll notice a teammate of mine attach himself to my wing and fly with me to the hot spots. I think that's cool, but then I realize I don't know what role I'm supposed to play while this guy's on my wing. Do I just continue my hunting and trust him to watch my six? Is he expecting something of me? If so, what? I'd like to work effectively as a team...

Also, what is HE doing? Is he just watching my six or is he also searching for something or expecting me to lead him into the fight? If I dive to attack, will he follow or will he stay high, keep an eagle's eye view and watch my tail/flanks?

Thanks in advance for your tactical advice...

xTHRUDx
10-28-2004, 03:20 PM
hope he doesn't shoot over your shoulder if he's any good.

JG14_Josf
10-28-2004, 03:21 PM
Bait?

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BpGemini
10-28-2004, 03:36 PM
Wingman's orders: Stay out of my way! Call if you need help.


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Lunix
10-28-2004, 03:53 PM
Its to wipe your leaders bum http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Learning to comunicate and fly in pairs is a natural progression. If someone is winging with you and you are not on comms there is very little you can do but there is a few things.

Going in in groups and sticking together even without comms does greatly increase your chance of survival. While enroute to the target area spend your time scanning the skies and keeping an eye on your partners 6.

Its best if you stager just a little and keep around 50 - 100 decameters appart. If you see him getting jumped signal by violently turning into him and perhaps squeezing off a quick burst. Typing is too slow. Flying very close is for airshows and takes away concentration better used for scanning the sky.

Communication with a dedicated wingy is a long complicated subject but is at the same time fun to practice and highly successfull. Lead turns, drag and bag, loose deuce are some of my favorite tactics to practice with a wingy. Communication is very important too. Timing and communicating efficiently is an artform. But if you are engaged and your wingy says you have the ball you know you dont need to worry about looking back and that peice of mind is nice to have.

e5kimo
10-28-2004, 04:01 PM
hm .. i hope he is not like your AI wingmen.
if he was his duties would include attacking already burning planes, ignoring orders to break, generally doing a poor job at covering you and finally getting shot down.

xxcurarexx
10-28-2004, 05:03 PM
comms?

I've seen people type "are you on comms?" before, but I don't really know what "to be on comms" means.

Oh, and Lunix, the last time I flew with a wingman was on your server and YOU jumped us. Surprisingly, you chose to pursue ME, and during our fight my wingman was nowhere to be seen...go figure. Anyway, you didn't get me that time I ran to the clouds http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

UK_Jackal
10-29-2004, 02:34 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by xxcurarexx:
comms?

I've seen people type "are you on comms?" before, but I don't really know what "to be on comms" means.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Means are you using some cimmunication software enabling you to talk to other pilots in your game. The most coms people use are TeamSound. do a search in google and the site should appear, you can download either a server so others can join you or you can download the client, which most people se giving them the option to join other users.

Hope this helps

El Turo
10-29-2004, 03:19 PM
Small point of order..

Most folks use teamSPEAK.. visit www.teamspeak.org (http://www.teamspeak.org) and download the free client version of the program. From there, all you need is server IP address and/or password to have voice-comms with your fellow virtual pilots.

Servers like Warclouds have dedicated teamspeak servers you can use, and many squadrons will gladly let you in on their server to wing-up with them.

As for wingman duties/responsibilities.. if you're going to wing-up (which is GREAT), just discuss it briefly before you get to the target area. Maybe take turns flying support/lead. Have the wingman take a slightly higher perch while you are engaged and scrape bad guys off your six if you get disadvantaged. Communicate.

Best,

~T.

Duncan_Doenitz
10-29-2004, 06:07 PM
If you are not using voice comms you are missing out on the best part of online flying.

"Back in the Day" the popular choice was often a program called Roger Wilco". Another good one is Ventrilo, which has the best sound quality but it is a resource hog. It is good for general online conversation such as squad meetings but supposedly can cause lag in-game. So definitely check out TeamSpeak or Teamsound.

And some voice programs default to Voice Activated when installed, in which case you will want to change the settings to Press to Talk (PTT).

I miss the old Red Baron days and the flying we did in scheduled wars, with all the planning and the teamwork that took place using Roger Wilco!

Dunc

Tully__
10-29-2004, 10:28 PM
The latest version of Ventrilo is not free if you want more than 8 people on the same voice comms server. It's still very good quality free voice comms for small groups though, provided someone in the group has a connection capable of running Ventrilo's server software.

I use both Ventrilo and Teamspeak as the situation demands. Despite that Ventrilo now force you to pay them for the use of one of their servers to cater to larger groups, I prefer it when available, but Teamspeak is definitely more popular and very good.

Lunix
10-30-2004, 01:48 AM
Hey c. on greatergreen we all use teamspeak. There is a "unofficial" server that everyone would be more than happy to have you hook up with. Go in the greatergreen.com forums for the IP and PW.

PS I let you go. I wasnt going to give up my E for a easy kill http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

antifreeze
10-31-2004, 07:26 AM
Flying dogfights, I've never really been able to get anyone interested in forming up as a pair; only occasionally on a couple of 'full switch' servers'.

In co-ops, I ask the player next to me (in my pair) on the runway whether they want to fly alone or as a pair. Usually they say yes. But then on reaching the objective they lose you and you're on your own just when you most need to work as a pair. This tends to be the same even for the online wars.

The only real success I've had in working as a pair/team was when I had four to twelve squad mates all using teamspeak. Man, those days were a blast. The best realism you can get out of this game is doing a co-ordinated attack with your squad. Because of the amount of players and the different roles/targets we had to reduce 'cross-talk' by having different flight-groups in different channels, and used the 'whisper to channel' feature to talk between flight groups. It's great immersion when the fighter-escort report back to the bombers about the situation ahead and advise a different heading!

Hopefully with PF rekindling interest in the game, AWACS can look forward to missions like that again soon. It's a lot less fun flying on your own.

If you want to join a European squad where you don't have to fly a minimum each week and attend training or squad matches, check us out. I can only manage to fly an hour or two per week, as do many of us in AWACS. But usually there is at least two or three guys online that will join you for a game in the evening. Hopefully that will increase as everyone gets PF (still waiting for my copy).

NorrisMcWhirter
10-31-2004, 07:43 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Antifreeze:
Flying dogfights, I've never really been able to get anyone interested in forming up as a pair; only occasionally on a couple of 'full switch' servers'.

In co-ops, I ask the player next to me (in my pair) on the runway whether they want to fly alone or as a pair. Usually they say yes. But then on reaching the objective they lose you and you're on your own just when you most need to work as a pair. This tends to be the same even for the online wars.

The only real success I've had in working as a pair/team was when I had four to twelve squad mates all using teamspeak. Man, those days were a blast. The best realism you can get out of this game is doing a co-ordinated attack with your squad. Because of the amount of players and the different roles/targets we had to reduce 'cross-talk' by having different flight-groups in different channels, and used the 'whisper to channel' feature to talk between flight groups. It's great immersion when the fighter-escort report back to the bombers about the situation ahead and advise a different heading!

Hopefully with PF rekindling interest in the game, AWACS can look forward to missions like that again soon. It's a lot less fun flying on your own.

If you want to join a European squad where you don't have to fly a minimum each week and attend training or squad matches, check us out. I can only manage to fly an hour or two per week, as do many of us in AWACS. But usually there is at least two or three guys online that will join you for a game in the evening. Hopefully that will increase as everyone gets PF (still waiting for my copy). <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hi,

I think the best you can hope for in a DF server is for someone to come to your aid when you request help. In co-op, the same is true but you'd expect a closer relationship because you have a common goal and you should be in some kind of formation as you make an attack/are attacked.

The only time teamwork really comes to the fore is when you know your wingman and you are on voice comms. This way, you have a rough idea what he's going to be doing during an engagement and what kind of tactics you will use together + you have the advantage of quick decision making.

Otherwise, you just have to put up with a half way house...


Cheers,
Norris

westcoastphil
10-31-2004, 09:08 AM
Flying using comms is the way to go to increase your K/D ratio. But there is a way to communicate on comms as well and this article should help you.
http://www.simhq.com/_air/air_008a.html (http://]http://www.simhq.com/_air/air_008a.html)

As far as tactics with a wingman, here's another article with tips:

http://www.simhq.com/_air/air_013a.html (http://]http://www.simhq.com/_air/air_013a.html)