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JerseyD
08-12-2003, 08:25 PM
Id rather not hear speculation on this question by fellow community members on this but rather an exact answer Yes Or No from someone employed by UBI or Maddox

Are we now required to use the UBI browser to join Dedicated servers?

Is joining by IP still possible?

Is joining via ASE still possible?

because neither of the 2 above mentioned methods are working for myself or a friend since weve updated to 1.1b the server is patched as well.

Is there a config ini entry that needs to be changed to re enable these things on the server machine?

The only reference to the UBI browser in the 1.1b readme states the following:


Additional network fixes:
- improved interaction with GameService



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Message Edited on 08/12/0304:22PM by JerseyD

JerseyD
08-12-2003, 08:25 PM
Id rather not hear speculation on this question by fellow community members on this but rather an exact answer Yes Or No from someone employed by UBI or Maddox

Are we now required to use the UBI browser to join Dedicated servers?

Is joining by IP still possible?

Is joining via ASE still possible?

because neither of the 2 above mentioned methods are working for myself or a friend since weve updated to 1.1b the server is patched as well.

Is there a config ini entry that needs to be changed to re enable these things on the server machine?

The only reference to the UBI browser in the 1.1b readme states the following:


Additional network fixes:
- improved interaction with GameService



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Message Edited on 08/12/0304:22PM by JerseyD

JerseyD
08-12-2003, 08:57 PM
bump

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XyZspineZyX
08-12-2003, 09:00 PM
Just love your skins mate

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Sammie22
08-12-2003, 09:44 PM
Yep, it seems that if you host a game on the UBI service, you can no longer join via IP. You must join via UBI. I have not tested hosting in HyperLobby or just IP, but I am concerned about the UBI part. Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Sammie

JerseyD
08-12-2003, 11:52 PM
this board is VERY busy due to the patch release so Id apreciate some bumpage from time to time untill they answer please guys

Thx

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JerseyD
08-13-2003, 12:32 AM
Personally, I refuse to use that POS UBI browser and Im sure Im not alone so my guess is that whoever decided to try and force us to use this POS in this patch must not grasp the fact that having the game work with multiple browsers ASE GS HL etc... can only lead to more FB sales.

Real smooth move UBI

Oleg how could you let them do this to your sim?

Don't you want everyone to be able to join from any game browser like usual?

This is an outrage!

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XyZspineZyX
08-13-2003, 12:45 AM
ASE is much betta than the crappy memory-intensive UBi browser...gimmie my ASE support back. >http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

XyZspineZyX
08-13-2003, 01:03 AM
this worked for UBI see if it works for your problem

start>run>type regedit>hit enter>rename this reg key...hkey_local_machine\software\ubi soft\game service games\il2fb_DFIGHT rename it into hkey_local_machine\software\ubi soft\game service games\il2fb_DOGFIGHT


and change COOP to COOPERATIVE



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XyZspineZyX
08-13-2003, 01:11 AM
Bump! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

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XyZspineZyX
08-13-2003, 01:40 AM
HL works, and ASE shows servers running 1.1b

I won`t ever the UBI POS, tried once and had an eye seizure from it, crappy performance, stability, and using up of system resources aside.

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JerseyD
08-13-2003, 06:14 AM
Bump till we get an answer

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XyZspineZyX
08-13-2003, 09:00 AM
Inquiring minds want to know


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XyZspineZyX
08-13-2003, 09:14 AM
Hope you've seen this thread and that it answered all of your questions, JerseyD.

http://forums.ubi.com/messages/message_view-topic.asp?name=us_il2sturmovik_gd&id=zbcht

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XyZspineZyX
08-13-2003, 03:16 PM
bump

that thread didnt answer the question of whether you will be able to connect to servers hosted on ubi.com with 3rd party software "All Seeing Eye". And yes I did do the reg key fix, and I can connect through ubi.com.

The greatergreen.com server is hosted through the ubi.com service, you must use ubi.com to connect to it right now. If you try to connect using ASE, IL2-fb launches but never connects. Not a big deal, but it would be nice to know if they will no longer support 3rd party software.

Zayets
08-13-2003, 03:18 PM
Nope , the thread does not answer the question. Therefore here is a bump from me:
BUMP


Zayets out

XyZspineZyX
08-13-2003, 03:21 PM
I cant use my old nick on UBI as its already registered by someone....i want ASE to work again! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

XyZspineZyX
08-13-2003, 03:27 PM
I'm pi##ed off about this.
I can no longer join a server using the IP address directly.
Now I must use UBI which means another piece of software running in the background which I did not need before installing the patch.
Great idea!! (Iam being sarcastic!!)





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Some circle as vultures.
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XyZspineZyX
08-13-2003, 03:52 PM
I host a DF Server on one machine and join through IP to that machine since I'm inside my own network. Makes sense to me, but clearly not to the "gurus" in charge of things.

Whatever the saying about "3 strikes" is, UBI, I love FB but you're well past 3 strikes. Get it together.

I don't mind editing my registry, but for a "closed sim" like IL2 you need to get your !@#$ together. This isn't FS or CFS3.



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XyZspineZyX
08-13-2003, 03:54 PM
Sorry but you're repeating yourself, Dex.

http://forums.ubi.com/messages/message_view-topic.asp?name=us_il2sturmovik_gd&id=zbcht


Edit: Addedthe link for clarity. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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Message Edited on 08/13/0304:55PM by Vengeanze

XyZspineZyX
08-13-2003, 03:55 PM
Hey Dex thanks for posting those screenies in the CWoS. It looks like I will be joining you in the friendly skies/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
08-13-2003, 04:59 PM
Bump

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Sammie22
08-13-2003, 06:27 PM
I have had some time to contemplate this decision by UBI, and the only reason I can see for forcing people to join UBI games via UBI, would be to maintain an accurate count of the players in the game. If that is the case, I don't think it's worth the tradeoff.

An important question: Do HyperLobby-hosted games allow IP or ASE (or some other methods) of joining?

XyZspineZyX
08-13-2003, 08:57 PM
I wonder if it's because of the registry issue. In the UbiSoft FB field it has the version as 1.0. Perhaps it's looking for version 1.0 and can only find 1.1b, so it makes it incompatible. Anyone tried changing that field to 1.1 or 1.1b?

edit: I tried, it doesn't work.

Message Edited on 08/13/0308:36PM by Weather_Man

XyZspineZyX
08-13-2003, 09:03 PM
Vengeanze wrote:
- Sorry but you're repeating yourself, Dex.
-
- <a
- href="http://forums.ubi.com/messages/message_view-
- topic.asp?name=us_il2sturmovik_gd&id=zbcht"
- target=_blank>http://forums.ubi.com/messages/messa
- ge_view-topic.asp?name=us_il2sturmovik_gd&id=zbcht
- </a>
-
-


Thanks for keeping up on this for me Ven. I just need to make sure I make my statement abundantly clear for UBI since they'll definitely be paying a lot of attention to it anyways....



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JerseyD
08-14-2003, 01:18 AM
Bump

Yes or no Ubi C'mon its not a difficult question.

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Message Edited on 08/13/0308:26PM by JerseyD

XyZspineZyX
08-14-2003, 04:51 AM
BUMP & i agree JerseyD

JerseyD wrote:
- Bump
-
- Yes or no Ubi C'mon its not a difficult question.

Sammie22
08-14-2003, 07:46 AM
After running on HyperLobby today, I can gladly say that it does support any join method. I guess I will be forced to run it there till UBI can shed some light on this situation, so I don't force players to join a certain way. Many people prefer to run the game via direct IP or another server browser, for various reason, like troubles with UBI gaming service, or freeing up system resources.

Cartrix or someone in the know, please take a moment to respond. I know your busy, but as it stands right now, everyone believes this to be fact. What have you got to lose in responding, even if it is?

Thanks

Message Edited on 08/14/0306:47AM by Sammie22

JerseyD
08-14-2003, 07:53 AM
/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

You da man Sammie

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Zayets
08-14-2003, 08:28 AM
Hey!
Is it yes or no?


Zayets out

JerseyD
08-14-2003, 09:20 AM
All signs point to yes.

I'd just like to take a moment to express my deep disatisfaction with the shody PR work around here lately
This is not the same forum I used to know and love.

Oleg and crew used to be so in touch with the community
it was great.I had never seen anything like it.

But I guess like all good things it just couldnt last forever.

So unless Oleg and Cartrix and the entire staff of UBI are currently being held hostage somewhere,
bound,gaged etc...

All I can say is thanks for the memories it was fun while it lasted

This forum just isnt what it used to be

I'm sorry but the magic is gone./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

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Message Edited on 08/14/0304:21AM by JerseyD

XyZspineZyX
08-14-2003, 09:27 AM
So u want Oleg to release the patch and add-on NOW and at the same time work on new games AND personally reply to posts in here?
There's only 24 hours a day.

I see your point Jersey but I think we're asking too much of Oleg at this time.

UBI is another ballgame though. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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JerseyD
08-14-2003, 09:39 AM
I dont give 2 sh*ts about the "addon" Im a loyal costomer who wanted an answer to a MAJOR MP issue and got no response for 2 days.You can't sit there and tell me that NO-ONE at Ubi or Maddox has glanced this thread yet buddy.

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Message Edited on 08/14/0304:40AM by JerseyD

XyZspineZyX
08-14-2003, 09:45 AM
Force us to use UBI's crappy multiplayer lobby and it'll be the end of your multiplayer days...

Zayets
08-14-2003, 09:49 AM
So, UBI or 1C , is it yes or no?


Zayets out

JerseyD
08-14-2003, 09:50 AM
whao, Wait a second Vengeanze it says your a moderator.

Id like to speak with your manager please!!!/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

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Zayets
08-14-2003, 01:45 PM
I was just curious to see if we have an answer or not.
So , the question remains:
Is it yes or not?


Zayets out

JerseyD
08-14-2003, 11:15 PM
Ill bump this thread untill the cows some home

BUMP

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JerseyD
08-15-2003, 12:36 PM
morning bump

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Sammie22
08-16-2003, 01:36 AM
Any word on this guys?

Thanks,
Sammie

XyZspineZyX
08-16-2003, 03:02 AM
Don't blame Oleg - what with getting everything sorted out for the patch, working out what needs fixing after the patch, the addon, and now (hopefully) taking a well earned break, it's not surprising he hasn't been posting. Besides which, what with all the crying from people complaining that their favourite plane doesn't fly like a MiG-29, I don't think he'd really want to come in here much.

Cartrix, on the other hand, is as much use as a chocolate teapot. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

*Bump*

JerseyD
08-16-2003, 03:11 AM
I hear ya AeroBob but still,Someone,Anyone from ubi or maddox should have answered this post days ago wouldnt you agree?

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XyZspineZyX
08-16-2003, 05:07 AM
Hi all:

Myself and Sharx did some troubleshooting with ubi today to kill time and we looked in our config ini files, apparently whats going on is the ubi game service is trying to connect to the internal ip of your computers, not the external ones even with all ip's set as externals which is just a rediculously easy problem to solve on ubi's game service but they cant pull their fingers out. Our only solution is to remove any lan cards in your system and connect your modems to your usb ports so therefore you only have 1 ip address. So im gonna be playing customer support in ubi lobby to at least help ppl with "why does it say dogfight not installed..."

XyZspineZyX
08-16-2003, 11:00 AM
*Bump*

Of course somebody should have replied, hence my post, but if Oleg himself doesn't respond I think that's fair enough. After all, that's what we (theoretically) have community managers for, right?

XyZspineZyX
08-16-2003, 12:44 PM
ur right


BUMP

Sammie22
08-16-2003, 09:05 PM
Good point. I don't think TB was specifically asking for Oleg in the first place. Anyone in-the-know will do.

Thanks,
Sammie

JerseyD
08-17-2003, 03:14 AM
hey Ubi, YOU NICE? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

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Hunter82
08-17-2003, 04:57 AM
They aren't around until at least Monday Morning JD. Judging by the problems with the UBI browser and registry string issues I don't think they are trying to force anything...it may have something to do with the dedicated server....I don't know.

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Sammie22
08-17-2003, 07:47 AM
If you're right Hunter, about the dedicated server, then that would be outstanding. The new patch has unfortunately made my server less stable, requiring more restarts. So if they gotta do this for that, then great. Hopefully get some news early next week then...

Thanks,
Sammie

Sammie22
08-20-2003, 12:55 AM
Sooooooooooo, how much software do you want to buy?

Ok, one last try. Any info appreciated.

Sammie

JerseyD
08-20-2003, 05:32 AM
Greeeaaaat, 500 it is!

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XyZspineZyX
08-28-2003, 02:34 PM
well I have working on the same prob and I have found if you have a router you can forget it but if you dont then you may be one of the lucky one who may be able to host
if you go to the reg where you fixed the DOGFIGHT line you will notice on the other side you have an agr string that reads
name data
arg GS Dfight
change the name to DOGFIGHT
this change has helped some B_band user that couldnt host before
now for hosting with ip you can host an ip game with your extensl ip and port 21000 but tou have to close the UBI lobby software to do so

hope this helps Mud

XyZspineZyX
08-28-2003, 03:24 PM
Bump!

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XyZspineZyX
08-29-2003, 05:14 AM
I hosted in HyperLobby. Haven't tried the IP.

XyZspineZyX
08-29-2003, 06:42 AM
HI jerseyD I like the way you think and you should get some answers at least Irealy do not understant the issues but a reply should be common curtrtesy
I have a few questions though on how do you hook up via an ip adress to get on line.
Iknow about hyperlobby but what is ASE I would appreciate a line back and maybe just maybe UBI SOFT will know how its done and you will get your reply
BUMP! BUMP! BUMP!

XyZspineZyX
08-29-2003, 10:12 AM
This means that if UBI doesn't want to support no more the online game in the future, we'll NOT be able to connect any more.

Vengeanze, we don't want to force Oleg to come here himself. He's a busy man, he has to do his work. (Wait a little, me too!).

All we want is someone taking a walk by these forums and keeping us informed. Is that so bad?

To know more about my personal disatisfaction with the atmosphere here and in ORR, see this post:

http://forums.ubi.com/messages/message_view.asp?name=Olegmaddoxreadyroom&id=zuwrt

Anyway, this is NOT a personal war. It's just that I feel a little disappointed with UBI's indiference. When there's no info nor debate with the ones that have the answers, we tend to tangle ourselves in unending fighting threads.

We're just getting bored, can't you feel it?

Anyway, Ven, thank you for your patience and sense of humour. You always ease the ambient, and that's a great merit of yours. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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JerseyD
09-26-2003, 10:05 PM
I guess you might call this an "I told you so" bump
Note the date when this thread was started.

Also notice the total lack of replies from anyone at Ubi or Maddox/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
Everyone just let it slide after awhile and this thread died away without any sort of reply from Ubi.

Then everyone is somehow suprised now by the recent dedicated to ubi server.

Go figure.





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XyZspineZyX
09-27-2003, 12:11 AM
I still like you though JD

Come on down to Texas and get yourself a free hug, we appreciate your mad skin making skills and your candid no BS opinions.

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