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darkhorizon11
11-29-2005, 02:13 PM
Hi I don't mean to throw in another I WANT THIS thread. But I WANT IT!!!! just kidding.

I was curious if we could see a carrier borne hurricane? Nothing super special or fancy, just one that has a tail hook and can land on a carrier. I'm not sure if they saw an operation in the Pacific but they were everywhere in the Atlantic including the loveable Med and North Sea. If somebody could post some more info about these variants that would be great.

Thanks!

Sharpe26
11-29-2005, 02:16 PM
I think that would be the tankbuster Mark IID Hurricane and the Sea Hurricane and maybe if we're lucky the CAM Hurri also.

so if you know any model builders.....

berg417448
11-29-2005, 02:49 PM
Originally posted by darkhorizon11:
Hi I don't mean to throw in another I WANT THIS thread. But I WANT IT!!!! just kidding.

I was curious if we could see a carrier borne hurricane? Nothing super special or fancy, just one that has a tail hook and can land on a carrier. I'm not sure if they saw an operation in the Pacific but they were everywhere in the Atlantic including the loveable Med and North Sea. If somebody could post some more info about these variants that would be great.

Thanks!


Sea Hurricane info:

http://www.fleetairarmarchive.net/Aircraft/seahurricane.htm

DIRTY-MAC
11-29-2005, 03:41 PM
If someone (third part) would model the Tankbuster guns for the Hurricane it shouldnt be so hard for the maddox team to implement it,
and we know that things have been implemented since the "Deadline"

Dunkelgrun
11-29-2005, 03:47 PM
Bombs for the IIc would be nice as well, especially with the Burma map in the pipeline.

Cheers!

Waldo.Pepper
11-29-2005, 04:08 PM
Originally posted by Dunkelgrun:
Bombs for the IIc would be nice as well, especially with the Burma map in the pipeline.

Cheers!

Gets my vote.

ImpStarDuece
11-29-2005, 04:13 PM
Originally posted by DIRTY-MAC:
If someone (third part) would model the Tankbuster guns for the Hurricane it shouldnt be so hard for the maddox team to implement it,
and we know that things have been implemented since the "Deadline"

As far as I know, only the SM 79 and one (?) other 3rd party model have been accepted since the cut-off date for new aircaft, and both of those were late only by a matter of days/weeks.

A Hurricane IID/IV tank buster wold be significantly different from the IIB/C versions we have in the game. They both have low altitude single stage engines (usually Merlin 24 or 27 rated at 1640 hp, but some were fitted with 1650 hp Merlin 32), are heavier than previous marks with much more engine and pilot armour and were fitted with different propellors (a 4 bladed prop in the case of the MK IV, later refitted with 3 balded prop). It would also involve modeling a new weapon (the 40mm Vickers S gun).

After all the asking we haven't even got bombs or rockets for the Hurricane IIc yet.

Tromplamort
11-29-2005, 04:15 PM
Today you can practice carrier op with the MkI... Take off is no problem...the hook is just missing for landing.... Need to practice....
But the illusion is good:
http://www.tromplamort.france-simulation.com/SeaHurri/IL2M_W051121_223507_C05112122350737.jpg

I made a skin pack of FAA Sqdrn 880 for a friend of mine whic is bilding a campaign about operation ironclad.

Tromplamort
11-29-2005, 04:24 PM
Another shot:
http://www.tromplamort.france-simulation.com/SeaHurri/IL2M_W051121_222748_C05112122274812.jpg

Sharpe26
11-30-2005, 03:14 AM
hmm, Malta missions. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

269GA-Veltro
11-30-2005, 03:31 AM
Originally posted by Tromplamort:
Another shot:
http://www.tromplamort.france-simulation.com/SeaHurri/IL2M_W051121_222748_C05112122274812.jpg

Bump!!! Bump, bump!!!

Oleg....we need this version....it would be great have the Sea Hurry in PF, a lot of air-naval mission and a lot of fun for sure..... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif
Bump for the Sea Hurricane!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

Sturm_Williger
11-30-2005, 04:26 AM
Tankbuster Hurri-IID would be superb. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Feathered_IV
11-30-2005, 04:42 AM
Yup. Tankbuster and tropical filter would be the ducks nuts I reckon http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

p1ngu666
11-30-2005, 08:32 AM
sea hurri just needs hook i think

woofiedog
11-30-2005, 10:41 AM
http://www.military.cz/british/air/war/fighter/hurricane/hurri_side1.jpg
<span class="ev_code_YELLOW">Hawker, Sea Hurricane </span>

Perhaps the most important sub-variant was the Sea Hurricane. This operated from aircraft carriers, being fitted usually with catapult spools and arrester hook. However, most Sea Hurricanes were not newly-built fighters but converted RAF types, and were deployed originally not for aircraft carrier operations but to protect merchant shipping. To combat German maritime-reconnaissance bombers, some ships were converted into CAMs (catapult aircraft merchantmen) which meant that a Hurricane fighter could be launched from the ship when danger approached. The biggest problem was that the fighter could not re-land on board, and so the pilot had to ditch it in the sea. The main areas of operation for the 'Catafighters' were in the Mediterranean and Baltic, but by 1943 the Sea Hurricane had all but disappeared from service.

The Hurricat were mounted on and launched from a catapult at the ship's bows, the Hurricane was flown off on what was usually a one-way flight: after providing defence for the convoy there was no where for the pilot to land, which meant he was obliged to bailout, or ditch his aircraft as near as possible to the convoy, hoping to be picked up. Not all CAM ship aircraft were FAA Hurricanes, the RAF converted and operated a few of its own Hurricanes. The provision of long-range drop-tanks beneath the wings, introduced in August 1941 after the CAM-ships had been provided with more powerful catapults for the higher gross weight.

http://www.voodoo.cz/ww2car/pics/new/vict_indom_eagle.jpg

The first of the Sea Hurricanes to see service with the Fleet Air Arm arrived in February 1941 and were operating with front line unit 880 squadron from 15 March 1941.
Overseas deliveries commenced with shipping in HMS Furious to 807 squadron at Gibraltar 1 July 1941 (eg V7301, V7623), Many shipped to Simonstown in SS Lt St Lonbert Brie thence to 800 squadron HMS Indomitable in July 1942 (eg V7416), some shipped to South Africa in SS City of Bombay 9 January 1942 (eg Z4056) and others shipped in SS Belgian Seaman to Takoradi from Liverpool 30 June 1942 (eg BP709).
A significant loss occurred when Sea Hurricanes were sunk with HMS Eagle which was torpedoed on 11 August 1942 (eg V6854).

The Sea Hurricane Mk I were followed by about 300 Mk Is converted to Sea Hurricane Mk IB configuration, these having catapult spools plus a V-frame arrester hook: in addition 25 Mk IIA were modified as Sea Hurricane IB or Hooked Hurricane II fighters.
Their initial role was a considerable improvement on CAM-ship deployment, for from October 1941 they began to go to sea aboard MAC-ships, these being large Merchant ships fitted with a small flight deck.

http://www.fleetairarmarchive.net/Aircraft/Sea_Hurricane_iic_835_Squadron_Nairana_1944_profil e.jpg
<span class="ev_code_YELLOW">Sea Hurricane IIc of 835 Squadron, HMS Nairana, 1944</span>

Sea Hurricane Mk IC fighters, introduced in February 1942 were conventional Mk I conversions with catapult spools and arrester hook; they had, however, the four-cannon wing of the land-based Hurricane Mk IIC. The Sea Hurricane Mk IIC, was intended for Fleet carrier operations and, consequently, was without catapult spools. This version was also used as hurri-cats. They introduced also to navy service the Merlin XX engine, and carried FAA radio equipment. Mk.IIC's with 4-cannon wings built by Hawker and delivered between December 1942 and May 1943.

The Sea Hurricane Mk X - Canadian built Hurricane X converted to Sea Hurricane standards were all classified either Mk.IA or Mk.IB by the RN, even though all used the two-stage Packard Merlin 28. Thet were all built with eight .303 machine guns.
The Sea Hurricane Mk XII - Conversion of Canadian Hurricane XII for Royal Canadian Navy with full naval equipment. Packard Merlin 29 with twelve .303 machine guns. The last of the Sea Hurricane variants was the Sea Hurricane Mk XIIA, of which a small number were converted from Canadian-built Mk XIIs, and these were used operationally in the North Atlantic.
Although the Sea Hurricane last saw service in 1945, Sea Hurricane NF670 was still extant on the East Kirby dump in 1956/57.

http://images.google.com/url?q=http://www.image-nation.org.uk/images/CRW_6855_RT16.jpg

Link:
http://www.microworks.net/pacific/battles/end_of_japan.htm
http://www.naval-history.net/WW2BritishShipsAircraftCarriers.htm

Tooz_69GIAP
11-30-2005, 10:46 AM
This was discussed months and months ago, and was a very long running discussion. I would love to see a sea hurricane (and a sea gladiator for that matter!), but the reality is, not in this series will you see it unless Oleg releases the code and someone else puts it in the game.

darkhorizon11
11-30-2005, 08:55 PM
Our only hope is probably if one has already been made and waiting, I mean in the last patch we got 3 or 4 new aircraft that were a total surprise. I doubt we'll see the D since Oleg said no new weapons will be or have been added. That why we don't have panzerblitz for the FW or rockets for the Mustang.

Either way I'll keep my fingers crossed and hope.

wayno7777
11-30-2005, 10:41 PM
Flypast's October issue has a pullout on the Hurricane with lots of interesting pics including one with long barrel 40mm's. Also showed one with rockets ala Typhoon.....

Dunkelgrun
12-01-2005, 04:08 AM
Originally posted by woofiedog:
Perhaps the most important sub-variant was the Sea Hurricane. This operated from aircraft carriers, being fitted usually with catapult spools and arrester hook. However, most Sea Hurricanes were not newly-built fighters but converted RAF types, and were deployed originally not for aircraft carrier operations but to protect merchant shipping. To combat German maritime-reconnaissance bombers, some ships were converted into CAMs (catapult aircraft merchantmen) which meant that a Hurricane fighter could be launched from the ship when danger approached. The biggest problem was that the fighter could not re-land on board, and so the pilot had to ditch it in the sea. The main areas of operation for the 'Catafighters' were in the Mediterranean and Baltic, but by 1943 the Sea Hurricane had all but disappeared from service.

The Hurricat were mounted on and launched from a catapult at the ship's bows, the Hurricane was flown off on what was usually a one-way flight: after providing defence for the convoy there was no where for the pilot to land, which meant he was obliged to bailout, or ditch his aircraft as near as possible to the convoy, hoping to be picked up. Not all CAM ship aircraft were FAA Hurricanes, the RAF converted and operated a few of its own Hurricanes. The provision of long-range drop-tanks beneath the wings, introduced in August 1941 after the CAM-ships had been provided with more powerful catapults for the higher gross weight.




Shameless plug for my campaign http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif:

<span class="ev_code_YELLOW">'Hurricats'</span>, available at AirWarfare (http://www.airwarfare.com/Sims/FB/fb_campaigns.htm#037) or Flying Legends (http://www.flying-legends.net/php/downloads/listings.php?cat_id=28)

Cheers!

73GIAP_Milan
12-01-2005, 09:53 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Can we get a Hurri Mk V ?

SeaNorris
12-01-2005, 12:26 PM
The MkV did have a universal wing did they not? Although I am guessing this can be achieved by editing the panel lines on the existing plane, I think it could not carry the IID's wing guns, only 4x20mm cannons and I think rockets.

LeadSpitter_
12-01-2005, 03:09 PM
it would be nice to have some late variant hurris like the D and V. Same for the p40 it would be nice to have the p40 N5 since every other ac almost has thier latest varients.