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con20or
06-09-2006, 11:51 AM

bunkerratt
06-09-2006, 12:14 PM
building your own desktop is probably the most rewarding thing you can do ..it's not that hard ..you need to read ..and also what type of system do you want to build..IE intel amd ..ati nvidia and so on..as far as the dell don't get mad..but there junk..plain and simple alot of folks here build there own systems...i enjoy building systems....if you have time and can read and listen to advice..all should go well ...http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c40/bunkerratt/Picture003.jpg http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c40/bunkerratt/Picture004.jpg

con20or
06-09-2006, 12:45 PM
Dell are rubbish??!!?? How dare you say that! Il kill you! Il kill all of you! Especially those of you in the jury!

Where should i read? Are there any good guides online?

Celeon999
06-09-2006, 12:58 PM
Celeon never buyed a complete system in his whole gaming life.

Its always better (not always cheaper) to combinate your own system together. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Its alot of work and you often need nerves of steel but its makes fun http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

VikingGrandad
06-09-2006, 01:50 PM
bunkerratt - your system looks like it has some serious industrial power!

Did you spray-paint your Antec case yellow, or can you buy them that colour? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

And what is that device on top of the case? Something to do with the cooling?

VikingGrandad
06-09-2006, 02:09 PM
@ con20or

Go for it. I had only ever installed a few PC components when I decided to build my own PC a few months ago. Even after 4 hours of careful reading and assembly I was convinced my PC wouldn't work when I switched it on. But it worked great, first time! All I had to do after that was install some drivers.

OK, I admit it, I still need to turn my CPU fan around to suck the right direction http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif (but my CPU/MoBo temps are only 34°C/39°C

At first it can seem scary because you have all these complicated-looking components to put together, and you won't know whether you've done it right until you've finished! But then you realize that all the parts are designed to fit together, and it's not so difficult at all. The main challenge is to put them together in a sensible order and keep the cables tidy.

I would recommend getting yourself a decent little PC tool kit, like this one (http://catalog.belkin.com/IWCatProductPage.process?Merchant_Id=&Product_Id=66105#). As well as having good screwdrivers, there is a handy 'claw' tool and tweezers for picking up small screws if you drop them in an hard-to-reach place (like I did several times).

You will get plenty of good suggestions for components and assembly advice on this forum, you can be sure of that!

bunkerratt
06-09-2006, 03:50 PM
vg...the unit on top is the water cooler for the cpu/gpu the case is made by raid max it comes in black green silver or as we see yellow...and yes ..it's 600watt enermax psu.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Realjambo
06-09-2006, 04:20 PM
I have only ever purchased a pre built system once. That was years ago. Since then I've always built my own PC's to my own spec. Got to agree with Bunkerrat, building your own system is scary at first, BUT! after all the research, deciding what components to buy, ordering them, opening the boxes, building the system with your own hands and THEN my friend when you experience hearing your own system boot up for the first time, satring at the screen to see if you get to desktop...it's magic! a great sense of achievement!

There is always a wealth of people on here to help you if you have a problem. Do it! Feel the fear and do it anyway! as they say. PS: You'll also save a fortune. Best of luck.

PS: Don't go back to Dell. They build their PC's deliberatley to make it hard for people to add extra hard drive's, sound cards, PSU's etc. They cater for a perceived mass market but their product leaves little room for upgrading by the end user.

Bubblehead1948
06-09-2006, 08:22 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif Yeah, you need to try to do this. It is cost effective in the long run. A self built system of carefully selected parts will last a might longer, and upgrades can be easily done without starting from scratch. I buy all my parts on line and from a few local gray market suppliers. If an old fart like me can do it -you can too. Start by getting a current book (there are a number of these) on "how to build your own." As has been said; be prepared to read and learn, but the job is not nearly as intimidating as one might think. Its a matter of scaling down complexity. You bust the task into logical parts... then divide and conquer.
Lots of folks here will help.

rls669
06-09-2006, 08:59 PM
It's a good time to build a PC, both Intel and AMD just announced massive price cuts.

con20or
06-10-2006, 03:10 AM
Ok, thanks everyone for the advice. if i do go ahead with it i will be back, looking for more.

Celeon999
06-10-2006, 06:05 AM
Celeon is very proud of his 100% aluminium mad german scientist case. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

The only thing it still misses is a nice watercooling http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif


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TheMoon7x
06-10-2006, 08:04 AM
celeon, 'bout time for a new computer desk! such a beautiful computer should be accompanied by an equally impressive desk to set upon!

bunkerratt, is that a fan on your chipset heatsink? never seen that before...

con20r, yeah building a computer is just extremely rewarding! i built mine last year around this time and its still very much up-to-date for only about $900.

anyone know if there is a market for custom building computers? i'd LOVE to have a job doing that.

bunkerratt
06-10-2006, 09:03 AM
moon..yes..i have chipset coolers on the north/southbridge chipsets....they make a huge differance on temps...made by cooler master..they cost about 10 bucks.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

rls669
06-10-2006, 02:47 PM
Originally posted by bunkerratt:
moon..yes..i have chipset coolers on the north/southbridge chipsets....they make a huge differance on temps...made by cooler master..they cost about 10 bucks.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

I use old Socket 7 HSFs from my junk collection http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

ps dude, you need some serious sig trimming. Your avatar image is enormous too, we still have to load the whole thing before the forum resizes it.

cpt_Alex2006
06-10-2006, 03:04 PM
Having a running base unit it will help with a build, if you are at all unsure you can get here and ask questions.
Nowt worse than having a rig in bits, a really important question and no way of getting on the net...

If you have the patience it will be a really nice experience, then you can start to play at overclocking and get a whole lot more perfomance for your money, a few extra hours in build, sorting out cooling will pay, also bigger casses are much easier to work on and keep cool.

Celeon999
06-11-2006, 01:34 AM
celeon, 'bout time for a new computer desk! such a beautiful computer should be accompanied by an equally impressive desk to set upon!



Yeah i know, http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif but somehow i like my old desk, we´ve been through a lot gaming together http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

ratidore
06-11-2006, 06:24 AM
2. Are there any really top quality guides online on building your own PC from scratch?

http://www.course.com/catalog/product.cfm?category=PC%2...B&isbn=1-4188-3561-7 (http://www.course.com/catalog/product.cfm?category=PC%20Repair%2FA%2B&subcategory=PC%20Repair%2FA%2B&isbn=1-4188-3561-7)

You could use a book like that to understand the basics of PC hardware, assembly, and troubleshooting. Then there are a number of sites out there that review new tech as it comes out. I like AnandTech: http://www.anandtech.com/

VikingGrandad
06-11-2006, 10:56 AM
I found this online guide (http://www.pcmech.com/byopc/) useful when I recently re-built and upgraded my machine. It helped me decide the order to assemble the components, and gave me things to check at every stage.

TheMoon7x
06-11-2006, 05:56 PM
is anyone running a RAID setup? i'm about to buy one of intel's new motherboards that has that RAID configuration built in. i've seen some specs showing dramatic increases in performance using a 3 or 4 harddrive raid-0 setup.

bunkerratt
06-11-2006, 06:41 PM
raid 0 on twin 100gb sata hdd's http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Messervy
06-11-2006, 07:11 PM
Raid 0 on two Sata Maxtors 160 GB plus aditional Maxtor 160 GB for backup (manual).

Mind when building a Raid 0 array you allways want to have some sort of backup. Raid 5 is one solution that doesn`t hamper the initial performance of Raid 0 but it really is what the name suggests. Very "redundant".

TheMoon7x
06-12-2006, 05:46 PM
would anyone say that a raid-0 setup is less stable than not having a raid array setup at all? i do notice alot of folks stress the importance of a backup when having a raid-0. been checking out this site here (http://www.intel.com/performance/desktop/platform_technologies/storage_performance.htm) over at intel.

Kaleun1961
06-12-2006, 08:06 PM
In order to prevent unnecessary heartache, take a few precautions when it comes time to assemble your dream system. Electrostatic discharge is a killer of delicate system components. Invest a few dollars into an anti-static wriststrap. ESD can be generated just by standing on a carpet as you handle PC components.

Keep your motherboard and memory chips in their anti-static bags until you have to handle them. DO NOT put your motherboard on the carpet. Carpets build up static and placing your motherboard on a carpeted floor can cause a static discharge which can fry some of its circuitry.

Be very careful with the CPU. Make absolutely sure of its alignment as you insert it into the motherboard. One bent pin can ruin a very expensive CPU. Don't force any part to make it fit, especially a delicate CPU. Make certain of the orientation of the memory modules. It is common to try to fit them in the wrong way round. Make sure you have adequate lighting so you aren't fumbling around inside a dimly lit case. It is best to mount the CPU and memory modules onto the board and then put the board into the case; you'll have more room that way.

Another item that can be a pain in the arse is the correct attachment of the wires for the case LED, power LED, hard drive lights, case fan, etc. If you know the correct wiring in advance it will make the job easier. Trying to hook those up in a cramped case when you can't see the headers is no fun.

Planning and preparation are the key, especially for a first time PC builder. Above all things, I really must stress the prevention of electrostatic discharge. ESD can cause delicate components to be damaged, but not always immediately. Some components fail down the road, leaving you wondering what happened.

When you've got it all together and everything is running just fine, tie back the cables and wiring so that it does not impede airflow within the case. This also prevents snags on fans. Sloppy wiring inside a case can cause heat buildup, always a potential enemy to a system.

Have fun and best of luck. You will enjoy a sense of pride and satisfaction knowing that you built it yourself.

hueywolf123
06-12-2006, 08:27 PM
Good advice KL1961, I built a gaming system for my daughter a few years ago. We don't have carpets in our house, so static was no problem. The thing I found that confused me was installing the OS. I purchased all the parts at the local computer fair, that runs here every month.
(You go down on a saturday to see if you can find what they stole from you the previous night)
There are several honest dealers that have new stuff sealed in boxes for bargain prices, just have to make sure you do your homework. Too much ram for the motherboard etc, can cause errors. If you want tonnes of ram, make sure your motherboard and cpu can deal with it. Oh and make sure when you connect your dvd drive to look at the little master/slave plug, check that it is exactly where it should be.
When I finally got this up and running for her, she was extatic for about a week, then wanted to sell it to buy something even better.
Typical........
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cpt_Alex2006
06-13-2006, 12:39 PM
Heatsinks are a real test for beginers, reherse is the key. Socket 939 sinks are a lot easier with the rocker, older sockets you diced with death as you leant the screwdriver over the chip/board hoping it didnt slip or crush the chip.
But most important, if you want to use the pad that is preapplied on the sink (if its a retail chip) you dont want to remove it once on or slide it around much whilst fitting, the goop is there to conduct heat and one squashed into form by the chip it wont be of use if you do remove it again.

We have computer markets in the UK, months back I watched a couple try to force a stall into a refund for their kit of parts (cpu/mem/board/case etc) because nobody told them they needed to use standoffs to separate the board from the case and screwed it to the tray. needless to say there were some scorch marks http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif

Dont think they got a refund, got a crowed of people to applaud though.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif

Kaleun1961
06-13-2006, 02:38 PM
Those are the perils of self-assembly. There are plenty of people willing to sell you the parts, the rest is up to you. They don't tell you everything you have to know. Just like with the local auto parts shop. You buy the parts and assume all the risk of using them. Can't see as how it could be any other way. Really, someone who doesn't know enough to use standoffs should not be putting together their own system.

TheMoon7x
06-13-2006, 08:43 PM
lol i'd have liked to see those scorch marks...but my mobo came with instructions on how to install it, it was really quite easy to understand.
when i built my computer though, i had booted it up for the first time and it ran great until about 5 minutes into the OS install, the comp would just start rebooting over and over again! well i'd turn it off for a minute or 2 and it'd do the same thing! i figured it was a heat problem. so i changed the cpu fan out but that didn't work. took the cpu out several times, but it kept messing up so i figured i had a bad mobo. bought another one, had the same problem! so i figured it was the OS. traded in my OS for a new one, still had the same problem. so i knew then it was either the processor or the memory since those were the only 2 things left! i went with some new memory since it would be cheaper to replace. that ended up being the problem. lesson learned....the hard way of course!

JU88
06-14-2006, 08:03 AM
Sorry con20or but Dell really are rubbish! heres why.

They use the cheapest components they can lay their hands on, they are quick to boast about the CPU speed, hard drive size and RAM (amount) in their systems.
But they dont like it when you ask about graphics cards and motherboards. (I wonder why)

They make most of their money in after sales and support, Dell have many of their components made buy cheapo manufacturers like PC chips and SIS, they make certain parts proprietry so that any upgrades or replacement parts (not covered by warrenty) must be purchased directly from DEll themselves, and boy do they charge and arm and a leg for it!

Dell are fine if you want a cheapo workstation for interent and office use that dont plan to upgrade, but they are not the place to go for a gaming machine. OK so they own alienware now - but thats a totally different line of products.

Gaming systems are best custom built, Most big PC manufacturers cant really be trusted, they want to make profit and the PC market is very unprofitable, so they will cut corners on components where ever they can in order to bring you a low retail price and still make some worthwhile profit for themselves.

Building a Pc is easy you just need four ingredients

1)The internent
2)Some dosh
3)A philips screw driver
4)Common sense

Thats it!

The internet is your best friend if you are a first time builder, with it you can-

1) Reserch which are best components - value vs performace wise, read reviews, check for compatibily issues. (check www.tomshardware.com) (http://www.tomshardware.com))

2) Find many guides on assembling a PC.

3) Find the best prices for your components.

Good luck.

JU88
06-14-2006, 08:12 AM
Originally posted by TheMoon7x:
is anyone running a RAID setup? i'm about to buy one of intel's new motherboards that has that RAID configuration built in. i've seen some specs showing dramatic increases in performance using a 3 or 4 harddrive raid-0 setup.

If you mean Raid 0 (2 or more drives striped for performance) Then yes I have done in the past, for gaming you will only get better loading times, to be honest its not worth it, if one drive dies you lose all your data!
raid 0 can be nasty sometimes.

Kaleun1961
06-14-2006, 11:01 AM
I run two hard drives in my gaming rig. On the first drive, I installed my OS and programs. On the second drive, I installed a permanent page file [swap file]. This helps speed up your system, as Windows can access the page file at the same time as it is accessing the system drive; speeds things up a bit as compared to having your page file on the same drive as the OS.

I use Acronis True Image on a regular basis to do a complete system clone and store the disk image on the second drive. If the main hard disk fails, all I have to do is replace it and then copy the backup image to it. A lot faster than reinstalling Windows, doing the updates, installing and tweaking programs, etc. You can also use Norton Ghost and I would imagine there are alternative third party programs that accomplish the same thing.

VikingGrandad
06-15-2006, 01:46 PM
Originally posted by Kaleun1961:
I run two hard drives in my gaming rig. On the first drive, I installed my OS and programs. On the second drive, I installed a permanent page file [swap file]. This helps speed up your system, as Windows can access the page file at the same time as it is accessing the system drive; speeds things up a bit as compared to having your page file on the same drive as the OS.

I use Acronis True Image on a regular basis to do a complete system clone and store the disk image on the second drive. If the main hard disk fails, all I have to do is replace it and then copy the backup image to it. A lot faster than reinstalling Windows, doing the updates, installing and tweaking programs, etc. You can also use Norton Ghost and I would imagine there are alternative third party programs that accomplish the same thing.

Thanks for posting this K61. You've just described exactly what I need, but didn't know the best way to achieve it. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

I'm really keen to improve my hard disk performance, plus I have no reliable, automated way to back-up data (I just use DVD-R's, when I remember) - nor do I have a convenient way to restore my OS (other than repair/re-install from the Windows CD).

I'm guessing your drives are running on SATA? I didn't have the budget to consider my hard disk needs when I upgraded my PC, so at present I still run my trusty old Maxtor 80GB (7200RPM ATA/133 2MB Cache). To achieve your type of set-up, can I do this (the cheap way) by installing one more ATA/133 drive, or do I need to de-commission it and buy two SATA drives? Is there a worthwhile gain in having 2 SATA drives together, compared to 2 x ATA/133 drives?

Thanks for any advice (from anyone) http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

cpt_Alex2006
06-15-2006, 02:26 PM
Hows acronis at restating a bootdrive, I used Norton Ghost9 to try and clone an old xp instalation onto a new drive and gave up after it simply didnt want to boot (felt like an xp security thing) worked fine on win 98.

I have a single ide with windows, 2 sata (nforce4 controled) 1 for games, 1 for junk and temp folders and a last sata on the silicon image running the swap file, I will at some point swap that for a raptor.
This way I have very little file fragmentation and the swap on a separae drive did make a noticeable difference.

I dont try to back everything up any more, just the stuff I cant replace, progs are on disc drivers the net and a new start now and then is good. I am way overdue.

Alex

Kaleun1961
06-15-2006, 02:30 PM
Two regular hard drives will be an improvement over one. Just make sure you put them on separate channels. That usually is not an option with older motherboards, as you usually have one channel for hard drives, and the other channel for optical drives. You should avoid having a slow device and a fast device on the same channel, such as having a CD drive slaved to a hard drive; the slower device will drag the speed of the channel down.

On my system I have 2 SATA channels, one per drive. My optical drives are attached to the older ATA channels. If you can do it, it is best to go with SATA drives instead of older ATA drives, as each drive has its own channel in the system. If you are using older drives, you will have to slave one drive to the master drive and both will be on the same channel.

So, you will notice the best performance by having your hard drives on separate SATA channels. I have one drive as the system drive, the other drive hosts the page file. On newer boards, you can have 4 SATA drives and can configure them for performance. Of course, you could also use SCSI drives, but they are not used much by the average home user.

The advantage of SATA drives is that each drive has its own channel [attachment point] on the motherboard, wherea as with most ATA boards, you have two drives share each channel [typically one or two hard drives on one channel and your optical drives on the other.] Each SATA drive has its own dedicated communications channel on the board, so they can each talk independently with the CPU or RAM. With normal ATA channels, if one drive is talking to the CPU, that means data from the other drive has to wait its turn for the channel to be available. SATA drives can talk at any time over the board as they have exclusive access to their data channel. This means you could have one drive communicating program data while another drive is handling page file functions. SATA has the edge over the older ATA. But if you can't have SATA, it's still nice to have the second drive for backup.

Kaleun1961
06-15-2006, 02:40 PM
I've used Acronis True Image several times to restore a system drive, no problems with booting encountered. There can be issues with Norton's Go Back installed on a system. I find with using True Image, I no longer need to use Go Back; it just makes things more complicated. True Image was also able to restore a complete image to a different make and size of drive than the original image was taken from. I've used both Norton Ghost and Acronis True Image, True Image is in my opinion a better product.

VikingGrandad
06-15-2006, 05:46 PM
Many thanks for the tips http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

I won't be able to upgrade for a while yet, but now I know what I want - 2 SATA drives http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I have two optical drives on one IDE bus, with a third optical drive and the hard disk on another IDE bus. K61 - if I've understood you correctly, I can get some performance increase by moving the third optical drive onto the same bus cable as the others, leaving the hard disk in its own. Is this right?

One more question: does the kind of dual hard disk set-up we've been discussing have anything to do with RAID? (I've never really understood RAID)

Messervy
06-15-2006, 06:18 PM
There are basicaly only two things you should know to be able to grasp the idea behind Raid.

1. Two (or mode) drives

Now take for instance 64 kilobytes of data

2. Tha data is either written simultaneously on each drive (backup)

or it is stripped and 32 kilobytes are written on one drive while at the same time the other 32 kilobytes are written on the other drive - hence there is no complete file on either drive and if one of the drives fail, you loose everything.
More complex Raid setups (Raid 5) remedy this by combining both features.

Hope that helps. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Kaleun1961
06-15-2006, 06:27 PM
You can only have a maximum of two drives per IDE channel. This means you can have two hard drives on one channel, or two optical drives, or a combination. The slowest device on an IDE channel will limit the speed of communication on that channel. This means, that for ideal performance, you should not have a hard drive [a fast device] and an optical drive [a slow device] on the same channel. The only way you could have that third optical drive without having it share a channel with a hard drive is if you have another IDE channel open. Most boards only have two IDE channels, so you may be out of luck with your current setup. May I ask why you have three optical drives? My current system has two IDE channels plus two SATA headers. My two SATA drives each use one channel and my optical drives use one IDE channel, leaving one open if I wish to add more IDE drives.

The setup we have been discussing has nothing to do with RAID setups. In my system, as I said, each SATA drive is on its own channel and operate independently of each other. I can have one drive in use by the game while the other drive is doing something else. RAID is mainly used by commercial operations, where they use it to provide redundancy and ensure that data is backed up. Few home users bother with RAID, although if I am correct, Bunker Rat in this forum uses a RAID setup. You can have a RAID setup with as little as two drives, but the setup is a bit complicated. Most home users are mainly interested in backing up their data, so having a second drive is the easiest solution.

In your situation, since you already have used both of your IDE channels, I suggest either removing one optical drive, if you can, or think about getting an external hard drive, which can be attached using a USB 2.0 cable or even Firewire. Even if you end up with two hard drives on one IDE channel, you can still get a bit of improvement by putting the page file on the second hard drive. Even though it will share the same channel as the system drive, it may send data when the system drive is idle.

If you ever decide to invest in a new motherboard, get one that has at least two SATA ports, four would be even better. There is enough room on newer boards to have both IDE channels and two or more SATA channels. If you keep your existing setup, you may be able to get that third optical drive off of the hard drive channel by getting an adapter that allows you to attach an IDE drive to a card that goes into a spare PCI slot. I've never seen one, but I think that they are available. If you've got an open PCI slot, this would be a way to get that third optical drive off of the IDE channel and put the second hard drive on there with the first hard drive.

Messervy
06-15-2006, 06:30 PM
I use Raid setup and can even explain in few words how it works. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

bunkerratt
06-15-2006, 07:34 PM
k61 is correct i run this sys with raid "0" this rig is mainly built for gaming..my mobo has 8 sata connectors also connectors for ide drives and yep if 1 drive crapsout it goes down ...then comes the 2-3 hour emergency repair finding the bad drive and reformating the good drive to run as a single ...woopie doopy we have fun... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/compsmash.gif

KaleunFreddie
06-15-2006, 07:50 PM
It's so simple girls...
Hey K-61.. you're on a roll here http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
But guys/ girls and those luscious dolls.. schluuurpppp http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
Get a grip on Real Life.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

So Wot's RL going to do... upgrade before you do...
So you 'transfer' yon data asap..

So it comes down to ..planning your upgrade... Bill will be so happy
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VikingGrandad
06-16-2006, 04:34 AM
Thanks for explaining it all so well http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

I get the whole RAID thing now, but I still prefer K61's set-up.

I have one CD re-writer, one DVD writer and one DVD read-only drive. A friend gave me the latter for free, and I use it as my 'Silent Hunter 3' drive. It's just for convenience (laziness?) - I play numerous games that all require the DVD disc to be mounted, so two DVD drives means I can have two discs in at once. My SH3 disc never has to leave the machine.

Now that I know I need to free up one IDE channel for the hard disk, I can make the extra DVD drive redundant. I'd rather get an increase in hard disk performance while I save up to get new drives.

My new motherboard, an Asus A8N-SLI Deluxe, has two IDE channels and eight SATA channels. Getting rid of the extra DVD drive will give me plenty of room to install two SATA drives, perhaps a couple of Maxtor 6V250F0's (250GB, SATA II, 16mb Cache).

Kaleun1961
06-16-2006, 10:25 AM
Excellent! You will notice a jump in performance after installing hard drives with 16 MB buffers. On my old family room computer, my wife and kids were complaining how slow it was. I was using a hard drive that only had a 2 MB buffer. I swapped it out for drive of the same speed, 7200 RPM but with an 8 MB buffer and the difference was immediately noticed. Drives with 16 MB buffers are even better. This is one spec that many computer users overlook. Many people focus on the size, speed and cost of the drive but omit to compare the drive's cache, or buffer. Given two equal drives in all aspects but with different buffer sizes, the one with the larger buffer will noticeably outperform the other.

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KaleunFreddie
06-16-2006, 12:12 PM
With my new SATA drives (8MB buffers) I notice an incredible speed performance over my older IDE stuff..
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bunkerratt
06-16-2006, 02:42 PM
it might not seem like much but changing the size of the paging file to a staic size will also give you a little boost in the speed department too...windows uses the paging to extend the systems main memory as main memory gets full windows swaps data to the paging file on the harddrive and as programs use that data windows swaps it back the sys can access main memory much faster than the hdd so when it's forced to accesss data in the paging file the sys runs more slowly than if the data it was looking for was in main memory http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Kaleun1961
06-16-2006, 03:25 PM
Bunker Rat is correct. I place a permanent page file on a second drive and set it to 2 GB, to match my system RAM of 2 GB. By having a permanent as opposed to a system managed [dynamic] page file, it saves the system time by not having to resize it according to need. The books I am studying for my MCSA course say to make the page file 1.5 to 2 times the amount of system RAM. More, of course, will not hurt. It is recommended, though, that you have a small page file on the system drive as a system "dump." Just keep it small, at 2 MB, no larger, so that the system is forced to use the page file on the second drive. Now, if you are fortunate enough to have more than two hard drives, you can also add another one on the third drive and fourth drives.

bunkerratt
06-16-2006, 08:12 PM
theres a few things to disable in windows that do nothing for most users and eat cpu cycles imho http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/typing.gifmost of them are in the services but thats a per user option you can kill alot of other annoying wombats in the start by running msconfig and for those with more stout kill the "imho"worthless system restore feature.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

cpt_Alex2006
06-17-2006, 08:05 AM
Thats a good point on restore, I only have it running a limited 1gig or so size on the windows drive and not any of the others.

Alex