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XyZspineZyX
09-21-2003, 02:00 PM
Please?

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XyZspineZyX
09-21-2003, 02:00 PM
Please?

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XyZspineZyX
09-21-2003, 02:07 PM
No! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-21-2003, 02:11 PM
Yes! It consisted in going alone for a schwarm of 190s with closed eyes, a four-leaf clover in a pocket and crossed fingers. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-21-2003, 02:14 PM
I have done this maneuver in RL with my instructor....very cool. I wish you luck finding the answers you seek http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif


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XyZspineZyX
09-21-2003, 02:44 PM
I can teach your how to do it Boosher - of course I'll have to get used to doing it in the 38 first! It should be fairly easy since we won't have to deal with engine yaw effect.

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XyZspineZyX
09-21-2003, 02:52 PM
how is this manover

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XyZspineZyX
09-21-2003, 03:44 PM
Adolf Galland was almost killed by a pilot who used this maneuver.

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XyZspineZyX
09-21-2003, 07:40 PM
Sounds interesting.. cant wait to see what the P38 brings to the table. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-21-2003, 07:50 PM
If you dont mind me askin, but what kind of menuever is that?

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XyZspineZyX
09-21-2003, 07:54 PM
This sounds like a `glass hammer ` thing to me. Don`t you just stick a four leaf clover in your cockpit and hope for the best? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-21-2003, 08:40 PM
Not familiar with this manuver myself... Will check my books and see what I can find.

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XyZspineZyX
09-21-2003, 08:43 PM
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XyZspineZyX
09-21-2003, 09:37 PM
The graphic is a bit confusing - that's what it looks like from the top down.

Here's a basic description of how it's flown. Actual parameters vary on entry speed, power available for a given airplane at a given altitude, nose track used throughout the maneuver, energy retention of the aircraft etc. It is exclusively a precision visual aerobatic maneuver. You must make liberal use of external visual references to ensure symmetry for each loop of the maneuver.

Typical parameters: Find an area with good ground references before you start the maneuver. A good technique is to line up on a straight road for the initial part of the maneuver - this will help you guage symmetry of the maneuver as you fly it, and make corrections as necessary.

At Mil power, start a dive to attain 'entry airspeed' (TBD with testing). Level off at desired base altitude and start a climb at initially 2-3 g. Keep the same rate of nose track through the climb portion as speed, g, and control force deflection changes. Keep wings level through the pull by cross-checking left and right wingtip position relative the horizon. As the aircraft passes through 45 deg. nose high (approximately where your feet would touch the horizon if you could see through the cockpit floor), pick a visual reference directly off your left or right wingtip and smoothly add aileron in that direction and continue to pull and roll until you are directly pointed to your reference point, wings level inverted. You should reach exactly the same airspeed at this point for every 'leaf' of the maneuver. My guess is it is less than 150 mph IAS. At this point it's like a split-S.

Use sufficient backstick pressure during the split-S portion to end up wings level at the same airspeed and altitude as the entry, but exactly 90 degrees off. That's one leaf. The next three 'leaves' of the maneuver will turn at the top in the same direction as the first (all left climbing turns at the top, or all right). After 4 leaves, you should be at the same altitude and entry airspeed, and going in the original direction.

Note: I don't know what the powerloading of the P38 is at different altitudes and atmospherics conditions, and I don't know if it's possible to fly a cloverleaf with it without losing altitude on each leaf. We'll have to see when it comes out! If it can do continuous loops without losing altitude, it will work well.

Also, there are no exact parameters for any given plane for this maneuver - but, you should fly so every leaf hits the same parameters and is perfectly symmetrical. A lot of 'technique' can be incorporated to achieve this.




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XyZspineZyX
09-21-2003, 10:47 PM
My understanding is that the "Cloverleaf", if not exclusive to, was best utilized by the P-38.

It was developed by John Lowell, Col., 364th FG.

Unfortunately, I don't think FB's physics engine will allow an accurate/effective simulation of a RL P-38 Cloverleaf.



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Message Edited on 09/22/0302:54AM by Lance42