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terminalShock09
07-04-2006, 10:03 PM
In order to distract you all from the relentless onslaughts of XBox 360 topics, how about a little history lesson about the Assassins' targets?

In a video (http://www.eurogamer.net/tv_video.php?playlist_id=499&s=l)posted by Moobz, the creative director alluded to assassinating historically accurate people (Conrad de Montferrat and Saladin), as well as interacting with Richard the Lionheart.

Only a few crusaders have been confirmed death-by-Assassin, including Raymond II and Conrad de Montferrat. The sect was actually on fairly good terms with the crusaders. A representative of theirs visited King Amalric I of Jerusalem with the proposition of alliance, only to be ambushed by Templars on his way back home. Amalric punished the Templars involved (regardless of the fact that Templars were outside of his jurisdiction), but he himself didn't live long. His son and successor was the Leper King Baldwin IV (you may recognize him as the king in the movie Kingdom of Heaven), who became ruler at only age 13. An official alliance wasn't picked up again partially because the young king's regent was Raymond III of Tripoli, whose father was Raymond II. As you can guess, Raymond III wouldn't pursue the Assassin alliance because his own father was killed by Assassins. Of course, this didn't stop the king from riding to Alamut (the Assassin base) when it was under attack by Saladin. Yes, a leper riding to the defense of the Assassins is an odd thought.

Conrad de Montferrat is also an interesting case. He gained the title King of Jerusalem after the city was taken, only through his wife Isabel, who was the half-sister of Baldwin IV. It was only a few days after his official crowning that Isabel was late from the bath house, prompting him to visit a close friend for a meal instead. As it happened, there were no leftovers to be had and Conrad headed back home. Two Assassins abushed and stabbed him to death en route. The murder occured in 1192... Awfully close to 1191, isn't it? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Correct me if any holes or inaccuracies are found! Unless, of course, your source is Wikipedia *shudder*. I might post a little thing about Saladin's encounter with the Assassins, but I think that NewtypeSC and I were sufficient enough in "hashishins or templars?".

simulacra
07-05-2006, 07:43 AM
Yea, I love all the politics of the crusades and I hope it will be reflected in AC.

And I hope that THIS time the knights templar won't be depicted as some war hungry, blood thirsty sociopathic band of thieves preying on every muslim they see like in Kingdom of Heaven, that's the only part about that movie that I dislike, but hollywood obviously needed to give Reynald de Chatillon an army to control and also an easily identifiable set of clothes, neither Reynald nor Guy de Lusignan were templars...

terminalShock09
07-05-2006, 12:25 PM
Very true! The whole "Guy and Reynald as Templars" thing was all too confusing. However, the raid on the caravan shown in the movie did happen, and it is rumored that Saladin's female relative was killed. It broke the temporary truce that was forged by Raymond III, but the few years of peacetime were actually an opportunity for Saladin to regroup his forces anyway. True peace was never really a practical option since he united Syria and Egypt under the simple goal of regaining Jerusalem. Which brings up the question of where did the game producers get the idea that the Assassins were trying to balance the Holy Land? Hasan al-Sabah (their leader, also known as the Prince or Old Man of the Mountain) was working under his own motives, and the killings were enacted for their survival and his power. Saying that the Assassins killed for peace in the Levant is a little too simplistic, if not naive.

Fates.Dark.Hand
07-05-2006, 06:11 PM
I wonder if EVERYONE you kill will be a historical figure...i'm sure UBI will throw in a few more targets that have been made up from scratch

simulacra
07-06-2006, 05:12 AM
Probably not, Alta├┬»r himself is a constructed character and my guess is that some of his targets will be aswell, mostly for progression purposes, the early targets might be constructed char's with a reference to a real person.
Later on as you progressing in the game and you develop the character and earning ranks etc you get to kill the important targets...

crasco200600
07-06-2006, 07:08 AM
how many historical figures where actually assassinated during the year the game is set?
that might give us some idea of at least how many targets there might be.

DarkCrawler90
07-06-2006, 03:43 PM
This trailer...
http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?id=10528&type=mov&pl=game

...states that "Our storyline is all based on historical facts, so everyone you assassinate actually did die in the year 1191"

mccavour69
07-06-2006, 06:58 PM
nice find darkcrawler

DarkCrawler90
07-07-2006, 08:19 AM
Thanks. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

kew414
07-07-2006, 08:33 AM
Cool http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
They really want it realistic don't they?

DarkCrawler90
07-07-2006, 09:00 AM
They do.

simulacra
07-09-2006, 09:24 AM
As they should, we've been seeing WAY to many arcadey kiddie games from UBIsoft...

Sandwarrior1990
07-09-2006, 10:29 AM
I wonder if the historical figures that were killed in a specific way in real life, will be killed the same way in the game http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Oh, and simulacra, which games do you mean? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

simulacra
07-09-2006, 02:39 PM
Ghost Recon 2 and Rainbow 6: lockdown for starters...

Sandwarrior1990
07-09-2006, 06:33 PM
Oh, well I can't comment on those having not played them myself http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Shift911
07-09-2006, 08:09 PM
they'll probably not die the way they did considering you have as much freedom like it is.....i'd like something like kessen's scrolls..you know a historic correct representative of their lives and maybe why the asasins wanted their death....the day when school will actually be replaced by 8 hour historicly-sedated gaming is near...not that it will affect my life... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif

Nktalloth
07-12-2006, 03:16 AM
I hear ya, shift... I learned the entire Romance of the Three kingdoms from the games, before I read the books and developed a loathing of all things Wei that is.

But, honestly, this game sounds so very very sweet and creamy that I'm going to avoid doing my usual nit-picking history fit that I tend to go through with history-based games. AS above, the many Three Kingdoms games tend to get the worse from this, as it's the only time where I actually get a throbbing headvein and shout at Cao Pi. Friggin' useless son-of-a-Cao.

I was actually kind of hoping that you wouldn't be involved in historical murders, because the fact that there was a specific way it was pulled off will limit the methods you can choose right off hte bat. The hitman games were awesome in that they set up elaborate settings with many possibilities in the assassinations, but a historical murder allready has a bias towards the actual method.

I just hope there are ledges from which I may push people.

Darkfrost_674
07-13-2006, 02:08 PM
Baldwin IV was the kid in kingdom of heaven.
The lepar (did i spell that right?) king was his uncle who died...

all the people involved in the crusades all did bad stuff and good stuff... templars wern't always bad... nor were muslims.

im really looking forward to this game

Sandwarrior1990
07-13-2006, 02:18 PM
Oh yeah, I remember that http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
It's leper, btw. almost right http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

terminalShock09
07-13-2006, 10:34 PM
Darkfrost_674, the kid was Baldwin V. His uncle was Baldwin IV, the leper.

aee10
02-28-2011, 04:03 PM
in Turkish historical records "ha?ha?iler" in English assassins smoke opium then attack their target without fear http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif people call them ha?ha?i because of that. "ha?ha?" in English poppy is raw material of opium http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif and they are mentioning the first terrorists in history http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif by the way this is just a game just enjoy http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

sorry for English...

vorenus73
03-01-2011, 07:19 AM
Originally posted by aee10:
in Turkish historical records "ha?ha?iler" in English assassins smoke opium then attack their target without fear http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif people call them ha?ha?i because of that. "ha?ha?" in English poppy is raw material of opium http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif and they are mentioning the first terrorists in history http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif by the way this is just a game just enjoy http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

sorry for English...

I am pretty sure there is no relation between hashish and opium... they are in totally different chemical families. Hashish is more similar to marijuana in chemical makeup, whereas opium and heroin are in the same family.

aee10
03-05-2011, 02:49 PM
Originally posted by vorenus73:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by aee10:
in Turkish historical records "ha?ha?iler" in English assassins smoke opium then attack their target without fear http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif people call them ha?ha?i because of that. "ha?ha?" in English poppy is raw material of opium http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif and they are mentioning the first terrorists in history http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif by the way this is just a game just enjoy http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

sorry for English...

I am pretty sure there is no relation between hashish and opium... they are in totally different chemical families. Hashish is more similar to marijuana in chemical makeup, whereas opium and heroin are in the same family. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


i looked them from dictionary but i heard of it.
and i found this from internet
Opium: a gum obtained from the poppy plant capsules.