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Peter_Fitzwell
11-30-2004, 01:24 AM
A few tips and some advice for online play for the newbies.


1) This is a game. You are NOT Pappy Boyington or Richard Bong. You are just another computer geek who likes WW2 planes like the rest of us.....please get over it.

2)Giving orders to other people online like you are the squadron commander will not make you any new friends in the online community.....especially if it your first day in the game and nobody knows you from Adam's housecat. Also, read No.1

3)As a noob, your cries of "help me! I got a guy on my 6!" will generally be ignored, and especially if you violate rule No.1 or 2

4) We all know that the great new squadron you are forming isn't "the bomb" or "the shizzznit" so please shut up, we are not gonna join.

5)Being great in the Ki-84 is like being a distinguished child molester, it is the default plane of every face-shooting 12 year-old kid who doesn't know an immelman from a hole in the ground. Please get over yourself. Anyone can fire hordes of large caliber cannon shells directly into an oncoming plane, especially if you start firing from 3k away.Wanna impress someone?....fly a P38 into a furball and survive, otherwise you are just another Ki-Tard with a 14.00 Saitek joystick.

6)You are not Saburo Sakai either.

7) If your online handle has any reference to the movie "Top Gun" (A)You should be flying LOMAC, not PF (B)Congrats! everybody knows you are a 10 year-old asthmatic shut-in who watches too many movies. (C) Should be strapped to a gurney and castrated with a rusty butterknife so you cannot breed.(D)You are a flying target drone. (E) All of the above.

8. If your online handle has "King of the pacific" "ruler of the air" or any such combination of wild, hard-to-back-up claims like that, see #7

9. Flying too close to thers on your team or not knowing the difference between the colors blue and red can lead to mid-air collisions and team kills that will NOT endear you to more seasoned players. This isn't the air force Thunderbirds acrobatic team and is certainly no place for the colorblind.Please stay the hell away and be careful what you shoot at.

Peter_Fitzwell
11-30-2004, 01:24 AM
A few tips and some advice for online play for the newbies.


1) This is a game. You are NOT Pappy Boyington or Richard Bong. You are just another computer geek who likes WW2 planes like the rest of us.....please get over it.

2)Giving orders to other people online like you are the squadron commander will not make you any new friends in the online community.....especially if it your first day in the game and nobody knows you from Adam's housecat. Also, read No.1

3)As a noob, your cries of "help me! I got a guy on my 6!" will generally be ignored, and especially if you violate rule No.1 or 2

4) We all know that the great new squadron you are forming isn't "the bomb" or "the shizzznit" so please shut up, we are not gonna join.

5)Being great in the Ki-84 is like being a distinguished child molester, it is the default plane of every face-shooting 12 year-old kid who doesn't know an immelman from a hole in the ground. Please get over yourself. Anyone can fire hordes of large caliber cannon shells directly into an oncoming plane, especially if you start firing from 3k away.Wanna impress someone?....fly a P38 into a furball and survive, otherwise you are just another Ki-Tard with a 14.00 Saitek joystick.

6)You are not Saburo Sakai either.

7) If your online handle has any reference to the movie "Top Gun" (A)You should be flying LOMAC, not PF (B)Congrats! everybody knows you are a 10 year-old asthmatic shut-in who watches too many movies. (C) Should be strapped to a gurney and castrated with a rusty butterknife so you cannot breed.(D)You are a flying target drone. (E) All of the above.

8. If your online handle has "King of the pacific" "ruler of the air" or any such combination of wild, hard-to-back-up claims like that, see #7

9. Flying too close to thers on your team or not knowing the difference between the colors blue and red can lead to mid-air collisions and team kills that will NOT endear you to more seasoned players. This isn't the air force Thunderbirds acrobatic team and is certainly no place for the colorblind.Please stay the hell away and be careful what you shoot at.

HotelBushranger
11-30-2004, 01:33 AM
6)You are not Saburo Sakai either.

ahhhh bugger!

Brock.Landers
11-30-2004, 02:54 AM
OMG LOL dats soooo funneeee!!!!11one!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

honetly though, never flew a Ki-84 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Raptor_20thFG
11-30-2004, 03:34 AM
Jesus Peter you sound bitter

Easy on the future okay http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

Tooz_69GIAP
11-30-2004, 04:52 AM
Top Gun rocks!!!!

VFA-195 Snacky
11-30-2004, 05:39 AM
"5)Being great in the Ki-84 is like being a distinguished child molester, it is the default plane of every face-shooting 12 year-old kid who doesn't know an immelman from a hole in the ground. Please get over yourself. Anyone can fire hordes of large caliber cannon shells directly into an oncoming plane, especially if you start firing from 3k away.Wanna impress someone?....fly a P38 into a furball and survive, otherwise you are just another Ki-Tard with a 14.00 Saitek joystick."

OMG! Amen!

Slammin_
11-30-2004, 06:44 AM
LOL, this started my day off great! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

x__CRASH__x
12-06-2004, 02:31 AM
Too good to let slip to the 6th page.

tB_Blueknight
12-06-2004, 05:00 AM
Oh and dont forget about the other instant ace aircraft the Hawg C-Model. Also would be wonderful if one could host using a router, but alas thats apparently not going to happen.
Oh yes, before I forget it, there is no need to be snobby about ones joystick ! I have been playing just fine with the $5.00 cyborg gold, I bought on e bay..lol I got tired of replacing logitech ffb sticks. As far as giving orders and thinkning they are greatest player, yeah new players dont do that, it just gets you shot down more, has your name added to ban list, ect.

TgD Thunderbolt56
12-06-2004, 06:50 AM
I feel the need...the need for speed! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Where's my Berlin" record? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

The190Flyer
12-06-2004, 07:21 AM
This comin from a guy with 7 posts? Im sure you've flown a lot before joining IL-2 forums http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
#7 C==ROTFLMAO http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

S! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

a.k.a. BIFF P-51 PILOT in ubi.com lobbies

Daiichidoku
12-06-2004, 09:29 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VFA-195 Snacky:
"_5)Being great in the Ki-84 is like being a distinguished child molester, it is the default plane of every face-shooting 12 year-old kid who doesn't know an immelman from a hole in the ground. Please get over yourself. Anyone can fire hordes of large caliber cannon shells directly into an oncoming plane, especially if you start firing from 3k away.Wanna impress someone?....fly a P38 into a furball and survive, otherwise you are just another Ki-Tard with a 14.00 Saitek joystick._"

OMG! Amen! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


yup yup yup

But lets give credit where it is due, cant for get the La7 (3xb20), F4U 1C, I 185, 109Z, Yak 3P


and for all you NOOBS, before you ge tthe wrong info, JETS are NOT uber!...maybe the Go229, but the Me 262 He 162 Yp 80 are true challenges to get kills and rtb safely again....anyone who says jets are noob or uber are usually flying the above props types, and hate not flying the very bestest there is without risk of having to watch thier @sses!

Scen
12-06-2004, 10:54 AM
What a snobby post...

I love to hear from all you resident experts on what's realistic and what's not. What a laugh... Talk about "getting over yourself". I bet most of you have never flown a plane let alone test piloted one.

Try a different tact next time around or our favorite genre is not going to be financially viable in the future. We should be encouraging €œnewbies€ not discouraging them.

This is the exact attitude that will kill off flight simming.

I suggest a more postive approach.

Scendore

x__CRASH__x
12-06-2004, 11:31 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Scen:
What a snobby post...

I love to hear from all you resident experts on what's realistic and what's not. What a laugh... Talk about "getting over yourself". I bet most of you have never flown a plan let alone test piloted one.

Try a different tact next time around or our favorite genre is not going to be financially viable in the future. We should be encouraging €œnewbies€ not discouraging them.

This is the exact attitude that will kill off flight simming.

I suggest a more postive approach.

Scendore <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/9609/27/island.dispute/wife.lg.jpg

Scen
12-06-2004, 11:49 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by x__CRASH__x:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Scen:
What a snobby post...

I love to hear from all you resident experts on what's realistic and what's not. What a laugh... Talk about "getting over yourself". I bet most of you have never flown a plan let alone test piloted one.

Try a different tact next time around or our favorite genre is not going to be financially viable in the future. We should be encouraging €œnewbies€ not discouraging them.

This is the exact attitude that will kill off flight simming.

I suggest a more postive approach.

Scendore <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/9609/27/island.dispute/wife.lg.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Are you suggesting that I'm the island martyr or that I'm the wife of the martyr?

I must be missing something.

Anyways...

x__CRASH__x
12-06-2004, 11:59 AM
You're missing that you ae being an incredible fun vaccuum. You walked into this post, didn't see a lick of humor in it, and made a post that sucked the very essencce of funny out of it.

It's a joke post. He's ranting, and being funny doing it. Don't sit on a throne and assign social blame upon it or accuse it of bringing down the whole of flight simming everywhere, for everyone. You might as well just pour gasoline upon you head.

Let me get you a lighter.

Scen
12-06-2004, 12:12 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by x__CRASH__x:
You're missing that you ae being an incredible fun vaccuum. You walked into this post, didn't see a lick of humor in it, and made a post that sucked the very essencce of funny out of it.

It's a joke post. He's ranting, and being funny doing it. Don't sit on a throne and assign social blame upon it or accuse it of bringing down the whole of flight simming everywhere, for everyone. You might as well just pour gasoline upon you head.

Let me get you a lighter. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think you're the only one suggesting a lighter so far...

I did see it as a rant and while that's fine there was a point where it turned me off. It became clear that there was some truth in it and that it wasn't funny anymore. It was a rant against newbies IMO.

"Throne" Uhh okay... I'm allowed to voice my opinion last time I heard. I realize that it might get me flamed but I would think you of all people would understand. What ever.

I've just seen a lot of snotty behavior lately.

Scendore

Daiichidoku
12-06-2004, 12:25 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Scen:


I love to hear from all you resident experts on what's realistic and what's not.

Scendore <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Actually, thats an EASY one....the P 47 = realistic...the 109Z = UN realistic....specualtive FM for a type that NEVER flew....and the version in FB was NEVER even built! that it flies in FB/PF is, IMHO, pretty d a m n unrealistic

arjisme
12-06-2004, 12:26 PM
Overall, pretty funny. But this point is less so:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>5)Being great in the Ki-84 is like being a distinguished child molester, it is the default plane of every face-shooting 12 year-old kid who doesn't know an immelman from a hole in the ground. Please get over yourself. Anyone can fire hordes of large caliber cannon shells directly into an oncoming plane, especially if you start firing from 3k away.Wanna impress someone?....fly a P38 into a furball and survive, otherwise you are just another Ki-Tard with a 14.00 Saitek joystick. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Here's a link with a better perspective: UBER planes (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=26310365&m=3251092342)

Morphine29
12-06-2004, 12:51 PM
Arrogance of the highest order I feel and typical of people who use words like noob.

Get over yourself mate.

Morphine29
12-06-2004, 12:52 PM
Also you may want to realise that some people don't live to play games so may not stick to yuor idea of online etiquette.

Scen
12-06-2004, 01:22 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Daiichidoku:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Scen:


I love to hear from all you resident experts on what's realistic and what's not.

Scendore <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Actually, thats an EASY one....the P 47 = realistic...the 109Z = UN realistic....specualtive FM for a type that NEVER flew....and the version in FB was NEVER even built! that it flies in FB/PF is, IMHO, pretty d a m n unrealistic <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Perfect... So how many hours do you have in a P-47? Even a better question would be how many hours do you have in a tail dragger period? Any?

So tell me from your own perpective that the P-47 modeled in IL2 is accurate?

Can't wait to hear back.

Scendore

Peter_Fitzwell
12-06-2004, 01:45 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by The190Flyer:
This comin from a guy with 7 posts? Im sure you've flown a lot before joining IL-2 forums http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
#7 C==ROTFLMAO http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

S! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

a.k.a. BIFF P-51 PILOT in ubi.com lobbies <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


I flew Airwarrior 2 and 3 for years, and IL2 and LOMAC for quite a little bit until family life and that nasty little war on terror thing got in the way of my flying time, so I may even have a few more hours in the cockpit than you.

Besides, this was a humor post, guess you don't have any.

Peter_Fitzwell
12-06-2004, 01:49 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Scen:
What a snobby post...

I love to hear from all you resident experts on what's realistic and what's not. What a laugh... Talk about "getting over yourself". I bet most of you have never flown a plan let alone test piloted one.

Try a different tact next time around or our favorite genre is not going to be financially viable in the future. We should be encouraging €œnewbies€ not discouraging them.

This is the exact attitude that will kill off flight simming.

I suggest a more postive approach.

Scendore <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


No, I never have flown a plan before, I've made a few tho.I even made big plans one time, but they didn't work out, so I had to downsize my plan. Where exactly does one learn to fly a plan?

The airport where I live doesn't seem to offer plan-flying lessons, maybe I can go to www.beapiolot.com (http://www.beapiolot.com) to learn to fly a plan.

DarkCanuck420
12-06-2004, 01:53 PM
I have just started to play PF, i came in here and read your message hoping for friendly advice and all you made me do was *sob* I;m never going to play online, Never!

well not until i can master take off and landing with out turning the hook lines into a giant sling shot. but once i do you guy are going to fear me im the
uber-killer-death-sniper-flying-angel-of-death-acid-bullets-get-some-get-some-rocekt-in-my-pocket-dropping-nukes-on-your-head

Thats will be my online name so if any noob screams for help theres someone on their six dont help them cause it will be me on their six. then i will be on your six. and yes, teamates do expect me to clip your wings, and put a speed hole in your rudder.

It will be a while before i join online cause i dont want to be every enemies Good Year Blimp. But after that...refer to above, BECAUSE I AM DEATH FROM ABOVE!!!

Newbies Take Flight!! *Crash*

Peter_Fitzwell
12-06-2004, 01:58 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by x__CRASH__x:
You're missing that you ae being an incredible fun vaccuum. You walked into this post, didn't see a lick of humor in it, and made a post that sucked the very essencce of funny out of it.

It's a joke post. He's ranting, and being funny doing it. Don't sit on a throne and assign social blame upon it or accuse it of bringing down the whole of flight simming everywhere, for everyone. You might as well just pour gasoline upon you head.

Let me get you a lighter. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>



Forget it, Crash. The humor of this post has been wasted on the aerosol sniffing generation.

I'll see ya on CWOS at least y'all can appreciate it.

P.S.
This is my favorite line from "when newbies attack"

"This is the exact attitude that will kill off flight simming."

I've been hearing that same line for 10 years of online flying, and it never ceases to make me laugh. Since the first time I heard it there have been at least 20-30(if not more) new online flight sims written and someone always repeats that lie on the message boards for them.

Atomic_Marten
12-06-2004, 02:39 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Daiichidoku:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VFA-195 Snacky:
"_5)Being great in the Ki-84 is like being a distinguished child molester, it is the default plane of every face-shooting 12 year-old kid who doesn't know an immelman from a hole in the ground. Please get over yourself. Anyone can fire hordes of large caliber cannon shells directly into an oncoming plane, especially if you start firing from 3k away.Wanna impress someone?....fly a P38 into a furball and survive, otherwise you are just another Ki-Tard with a 14.00 Saitek joystick._"

OMG! Amen! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


yup yup yup

But lets give credit where it is due, cant for get the La7 (3xb20), F4U 1C, I 185, 109Z, Yak 3P


and for all you NOOBS, before you ge tthe wrong info, JETS are NOT uber!...maybe the Go229, but the Me 262 He 162 Yp 80 are true challenges to get kills and rtb safely again....anyone who says jets are noob or uber are usually flying the above props types, and hate not flying the very bestest there is without risk of having to watch thier @sses! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Daiichi, I think that you have just excluded most of the online community with your ban to KI84, LA7, I185, F4U-1C, Yak3P (Spit left out intentionally?). And the rest of them cannot be succesfull on any but full real server.(to some degree)
And BTW did you try YP80 online? That bird is so easy to fly that it is ridiculous.. the *only* thing you must watch for is throttle (engine fire) but you just set it to 85-100% and you'll be fine. And untouchable with few hrs online experience. I have fly it for a while, and it isn't even funny..
GO229 is amazing turner, you may caught some folks with that also. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

But generally yes, jets are somewhat 'touchy' to fly, but only if you fly them vs. those planes we named above. Other planes are not really match for jet birds.


I'm for approach: if you fly hurri I will fly emil, if you fly LA I will jump into KI84 and so on. That is what is somewhat fair&funny in my point of view.

Oh forget it and fly whatever you want.

But if I am masochist in H-Cat and pursuit you in KI84 that is my problem not yours. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/1072.gif

Scen
12-06-2004, 03:35 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Peter_Fitzwell:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Scen:
What a snobby post...

I love to hear from all you resident experts on what's realistic and what's not. What a laugh... Talk about "getting over yourself". I bet most of you have never flown a plan let alone test piloted one.

Try a different tact next time around or our favorite genre is not going to be financially viable in the future. We should be encouraging €œnewbies€ not discouraging them.

This is the exact attitude that will kill off flight simming.

I suggest a more postive approach.

Scendore <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


No, I never have flown a plan before, I've made a few tho.I even made big plans one time, but they didn't work out, so I had to downsize my plan. Where exactly does one learn to fly a plan?

The airport where I live doesn't seem to offer plan-flying lessons, maybe I can go to http://www.beapiolot.com to learn to fly a plan. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Wow very funny to catch me on the rugged typo. Whooaa amazing.

Like I said before you're doing a great job of proving my point.

Newbies attack huh? How do you figure I'm a newbie?

Also I think you might need to check some numbers before you make the statement that flight sims aren't a dying breed. Just how many copies you think where sold?

At any given time HL has something like 600 online players. I wouldn't call that huge my friend. Have you see what other games have in terms of online players?

BTW I'm your generation like most WWII flight sim pilots.


Scen

Holycannoli
12-06-2004, 04:00 PM
Don't be dissin Top Gun! I play both IL2 and Lock On.

And hey, people like to associate themselves through their online handles with people they admire, and they're usually characters from movies. So yeah it's corny, but it's what works for them.

Otherwsie, funny stuff and all too true!

Oh and you know what? If some of the 'uber' planes are available on a server, I'm probably gonna fly one. Why? Cuz I'm not interested in fairness. I want every advantage I can get. That's what warfare and air combat's all about (don't let anyone fool you into thinking it isn't). Not that any plane is far superior to any other, but I don't wanna hear someone whine if I killed them in my Ki-84 if they can fly the same thing but fly something 'inferior' because they refuse to. Too bad.

Daiichidoku
12-06-2004, 04:14 PM
Hi, ok...

Scen, the 47 in FB flys pretty much to the correct recorded numbers for its type...the many numbers from hundreds or possibly thousands of sources for the data...most of them closely corresponding, especially for the types that had long established production runs and consistent supply quality and workmanship...mostly US types, and this is certainly the case of the P 47...(most numerous single engine fighter, prop or no, the USAF ever had....not to mention the post war countries that had loads o Jugs in (?) the Marshall Plan, or as repayments for use of bases or supplies in the war, or whatever

So one can surmise that the Jug in FB is reasonalbe accurate, and importantly, realistic...except for the issues of torque, stalls and spins, which is common to ALL types in FB, the P 47 is as close as you can get currently without real g forces or magic hi tech 360 dg wraparound screens or sitting in a real cockpit in your home...

relative to the 109Z, the type it was based on never flew.

The 109Z in FB is based on a proposed type, and was never even built.

0 flight data...none, nada, only "estimates"...estimates...PFFFT

The FM fo rthe 109Z is purely speculative. To get any one facet of an unflown flight regime correct is totally uncertain, and even if some of the characteristics were correct, how would you know? no-one can? its like saying, I want to have a baby grand piano in the game to fly...suppose 1C just has to invent an FM for a baby grand at all alt and speeds, cuz a baby grand piano has never flown before, so heres out best guess.....its SO not real!
I shouldnt have to even answer this, lol...you shouldnt even be asking, either your just trying to start something, or you really need help, hehe

and

Atomic Marten,

yes, the YP 80 easy to fly, very nice and responsive, however...good throttle mgt is req fo rit, or its easy to go too fast, breaking a wing or blacking out too long and missing a lot of action...

But I did say to fly, get kills, and RTB in one piece...not that easy to do, not online

any single engine prop type will outmanuve the jet...in an arcade server, no reason to be able to evade all but the best jet pilots

sure, hard to get a jet in position to shoot, but when you do, its hard NOT to get a fire, at least..


Ill take a YP 80 in any prop any time and beat you...


and I did consider the Go 229, i have flown it enuff, it defintly is..totally uber...1v1 the very best type in game, inc me 163....only 163 and He 162 faster than it, outturns EVERY monplane type except the Oscar and Maybe the A6M2, and the 2xMk103 never fail

Older type can hold off jet in this game just as well as 44 45 planes

older types are still manuverable enuff to evade jet attacks, and I should say ehre, NOT icluding the Go 229, thats uber and shouldnt be allowed where the "real" jets are, and even a G 50 can flame a jet np, it only takes one head on.....

I even ran a '39 and earlier AEP server, but also added a Me 262 a4, with the big 50mm gun...ok, ok, it had the big popgun, but still, nobdy got a kill in it, and got killed every now and then

anyhow, thats my thing, there ya go

BuzzU
12-06-2004, 04:24 PM
Where's all the cool training the title promised? What a rip off!

Scen
12-06-2004, 05:04 PM
Daiichidoku

Okay you're right when you start to mention things like performance charts etc. but I'm really talking about what it's like to actually fly a P-47. I doubt very many people that fly the IL2 series actually have time in P-47 so it's all guesses. I think it's great to look at performance charts and see how well IL2 comes close to simulating the real numbers. I think your missing my point.

My original point was to illustrate how many people on this board hammer away at newbies because of certain FMs and planes they chose to fly without having any real flight experience them selves.

I say what do you really know about flying? Because you have a few hours in flying simulations doesn't mean you really know anything about flying

They can look at a performance chart and say something is not living up to it's stated spec and say it's not real. Okay fine I hope they fix it.

Flying IL2FB is great however it's nothing like flying the real thing. It has some really nice qualities but it's really not that close. Stalls are strange (good for a PC mind you) no torque effects no P-Factor no slipstream and the list goes on and on. All these variables add up to an experience that can't be matched in a PC sim.

I'm okay with that limitation but for someone to come out and say it's not realisic is just talking out of their ****. Sure the sim will make some of the numbers work but it's not meant to model flight like multimillion dollar sim.

People that hammer others for flying something that isn't real to begin with need to take a step back. It's just a game and nothing more.

Don't get me wrong it's the best out there period but people need to get over it a little.

Back on topic.

The original post might have had some humor behind it and I may have missed it because of all the negative stuff flying around on these boards. But I hope you can see my point about a newbie being put off by such remarks.

Scendore

VFA-195 Snacky
12-06-2004, 05:52 PM
Scen, Thanks for hijacking an otherwise fun thread with your BS. appreciate it. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Peter_Fitzwell
12-06-2004, 06:04 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VFA-195 Snacky:
Scen, Thanks for hijacking an otherwise fun thread with your BS. appreciate it. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


There is always one on every thread.


Scen, please remove the stick from ye butt.

Philipscdrw
12-06-2004, 06:11 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Morphine29:
Also you may want to realise that some people don't live to play games so may not stick to yuor idea of online etiquette. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That's a bit of a silly thing to say. You're saying that the etiquette for online play shouldn't be determined by the most dedicated and serious online players? The original post was IMO a) funny parody of stereotype newb and b) How To Avoid Pi55ing Everyone Off When You Start To Fly Online.

Harmless, fun post...

x__CRASH__x
12-06-2004, 09:05 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Philipscdrw:
Harmless, fun post... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

And here I thought this post would bring down the entire community!

Fun should be banned.

heywooood
12-06-2004, 09:24 PM
..buncha damm fun-suckers, thats what.

GoatseLives
12-06-2004, 09:26 PM
1) This is a game. You are NOT Pappy Boyington or Richard Bong. You are just another computer geek who likes WW2 planes like the rest of us.....please get over it.

Oh man those types drive me NUTS!

Oh and you know what? If some of the 'uber' planes are available on a server, I'm probably gonna fly one. Why? Cuz I'm not interested in fairness. I want every advantage I can get. That's what warfare and air combat's all about (don't let anyone fool you into thinking it isn't). Not that any plane is far superior to any other, but I don't wanna hear someone whine if I killed them in my Ki-84 if they can fly the same thing but fly something 'inferior' because they refuse to. Too bad.

Gotta love the 19 year old dorm kiddies with the attitude. Psst. . . hey pal you're still a nerd.

Scen
12-06-2004, 09:52 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VFA-195 Snacky:
Scen, Thanks for hijacking an otherwise fun thread with your BS. appreciate it. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You're welcome.

Actually I didn't mean too... Oh well get over it.

Scen
12-06-2004, 09:53 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Peter_Fitzwell:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VFA-195 Snacky:
Scen, Thanks for hijacking an otherwise fun thread with your BS. appreciate it. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


There is always one on every thread.


Scen, please remove the stick from ye butt. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

After you turbo.

Scen
12-06-2004, 09:57 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by heywooood:
..buncha damm fun-suckers, thats what. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah I agree... I did take the high road and looked at it without the humor side.

Oh well maybe next time.

x__CRASH__x
12-06-2004, 10:04 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Scen:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by heywooood:
..buncha damm fun-suckers, thats what. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah I agree... I did take the high road and looked at it without the humor side.

Oh well maybe next time. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thank you for seeing the lighter side. People get so strung out and ready to snap at a moments notice on these forums. This sim is a game, we should be having fun, poking fun, and making fun.

BuzzU
12-06-2004, 10:30 PM
Yeah, well I want my noob training, and i'm not leaving until I get it.


So there.

Scen
12-06-2004, 11:25 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by x__CRASH__x:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Scen:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by heywooood:
..buncha damm fun-suckers, thats what. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah I agree... I did take the high road and looked at it without the humor side.

Oh well maybe next time. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thank you for seeing the lighter side. People get so strung out and ready to snap at a moments notice on these forums. This sim is a game, we should be having fun, poking fun, and making fun. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Typically I do and for some reason I didn't. I guess I was a little short sided when I read the post and thought it was yet another attack on newbies.

Also I really mean it when I said that I didn't mean to hijack the thread.

Scendore

Tunturisusi
12-07-2004, 05:52 AM
Good advises all....
One more thing. If you wish to impress someone by flying in a really close formation with someone...ask the guy if it is ok. Another thing is, if the other guy has 1800kg/2000kg bomb(s) under the belly, perhaps you should take a distance when the other is bombing.
It happens a lot of times nowadays that some newbie moron comes to your wing and tries to keep the formation...which of course fails causing constant close misses or then the poor bastard rams you. And then the thumb sucker just says "sorry...this is just game" like the otherone doesn't know it. Point is that the one has just wasted a lot of time to this flight that is now cancelled by a moronstrike.

Only thing to help here is to bail immidiatelly a moron comes to your wing and then switch sides. There are usually only 2-5% of morons in a server, so chanses are good that there isn't a one on the other side.

Daiichidoku
12-07-2004, 08:27 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by GoatseLives:
_1) This is a game. You are NOT Pappy Boyington or Richard Bong. You are just another computer geek who likes WW2 planes like the rest of us.....please get over it._

Oh man those types drive me NUTS! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, me too...I often see callsigns in HL or in servers that are historical names of pilots...gawd only knows how many Boyintons, Molders and Kozhedubs are floating around....

Ok, ok, I kow its flattery, and that a high form of praise, but....it still kinda rankles....like, most of them havent even flown a plane, let alone approach the bravery and skill of ANY RL combat pilot...plus, why would you want a name that many others have in the game, anyhow?



<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
_Oh and you know what? If some of the 'uber' planes are available on a server, I'm probably gonna fly one. Why? Cuz I'm not interested in fairness. I want every advantage I can get. That's what warfare and air combat's all about (don't let anyone fool you into thinking it isn't). Not that any plane is far superior to any other, but I don't wanna hear someone whine if I killed them in my Ki-84 if they can fly the same thing but fly something 'inferior' because they refuse to. Too bad._

Gotta love the 19 year old dorm kiddies with the attitude. Psst. . . hey pal you're still a nerd. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Its probably mostly 19 yr old dorm kiddies, or at least those with a 19 yr old punk attitude ( I know all you 19 yr olds out there are not like that, just riding a sterotype, thank you) who are flying those ubers...

If FB had an anti-gravity sphere with reactive armor, 360 array of 40mm bofors and 16 AMRAAMS on board, those noobs would fill df servers with it...all it would need would be a prop to make it legit in thier eyes....

I hear that lame-a s s excuse all the time, "if its in the server, I use it"...so pathetic...and its jus that...an excuse, instead of saying " i have no skill, and in any type thats not the very best at everything I would get my a s s smoked"

In any server that has jets, take one and watch the whines start...ppl will say, OMFG, a jet, or, jets are (ghey, noob, uber, whatever)...and usually the loudest from those in above mentioned uber types!....they want to fly the unflown 109Z "because its in the game" but freak when they see a jet, that " in the game"...double standardizing bastages!

and BTW this is NOT real air combat, its an air combat game....and as in any game, no-one likes to see ppl gaming the game...kinda like delta force, or any other FPS, where everyone using guns, or even only knives, and some BOZO shows up with a grenade launcher and kills all, with as much skill as a 6 yr old with MD and no arms needs

Personally, I feel only disdain for those seems to have no snse of challenge...

And to anyone who says "its the plane, not the pilot"....IRL, this is very true...in FB, particularly in an arcade server, this is total bunk...you take any two pilots of similar skill, and put one in say, a Fiat G 50, or P 47 D 10, or an early Yak or Lagg, and put the other in a Yak 3P, La7 3xb20, Ki84C F4U C I-185 or a 109Z, who you gonna put your money on to win?...thought so

chris455
12-07-2004, 08:49 AM
An example of why I fly offline 95% of the time. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Daiichidoku
12-07-2004, 09:58 AM
Thats a shame....with your sig, you must be a Jug pilot...need as many of those as possible to rule the skies over the kids playing in the mud with La7s and 84Cs, lol

badatit
12-07-2004, 10:27 AM
I was lmao till I tripped over this. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Scen:
What a snobby post...

I love to hear from all you resident experts on what's realistic and what's not. What a laugh... Talk about "getting over yourself". I bet most of you have never flown a plane let alone test piloted one.

Try a different tact next time around or our favorite genre is not going to be financially viable in the future. We should be encouraging €œnewbies€ not discouraging them.

This is the exact attitude that will kill off flight simming.

I suggest a more postive approach.

Scendore <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

badatit
12-07-2004, 10:30 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by x__CRASH__x:
You're missing that you ae being an incredible fun vaccuum. You walked into this post, didn't see a lick of humor in it, and made a post that sucked the very essencce of funny out of it.

It's a joke post. He's ranting, and being funny doing it. Don't sit on a throne and assign social blame upon it or accuse it of bringing down the whole of flight simming everywhere, for everyone. You might as well just pour gasoline upon you head.

Let me get you a lighter. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Then I saw this, and started lmao again. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

civildog
12-07-2004, 10:32 AM
What bugs me is when people playing a game call themselves "pilots" and are always talking about what they "fly" while at the same time gripe about how other people may enjoy playing the same game.

I figure that if I pay 30-50 bucks for a game I'll "fly" what I want. That's why I don't like the dogfight rooms. They are full of a bunch of Spitfire/Mk108 armed 109/Doras/Frank/Corsair flying dorks who complain about people who fly Spitfires/Mk108 armed 109s/Franks/Corsairs.

COOP's, as rare as they are, are far more realistic and more likely to be full of people who more mature and grounded in reality.

Atomic_Marten
12-07-2004, 12:07 PM
Daiichi I must say that I agree with you. In your reply to me.

But also I will tell that I do not agree with many of you guys that are claiming that someone can not take credit for flying some of the so called über a/c like KI84c. The one who should be blamed is server (rules). If specific planes is allowed on server, people are going to fly it especially if they are 'better' performers than the most of other allowed planes.

I have run onto a guy online who flies KI84C. And he is excellent. No matter for the fact that he is flying excellent plane, he is excellent on it. One shot one kill, no extra spraying needed.. I must say that he pretty much impressed me..

Also I can not understand your sentence
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Ill take a YP 80 in any prop any time and beat you... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

commie1
12-07-2004, 01:23 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Morphine29:
Arrogance of the highest order I feel and typical of people who use words like noob.

Get over yourself mate. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/steve.gorman/n00b01.jpg

Daiichidoku
12-07-2004, 04:20 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Atomic_Marten:
Daiichi I must say that I agree with you. In your reply to me.

But also I will tell that I do not agree with many of you guys that are claiming that someone can not take credit for flying some of the so called über a/c like KI84c. The one who should be blamed is server (rules). If specific planes is allowed on server, people are going to fly it especially if they are 'better' performers than the most of other allowed planes.

I have run onto a guy online who flies KI84C. And he is excellent. No matter for the fact that he is flying excellent plane, he is excellent on it. One shot one kill, no extra spraying needed.. I must say that he pretty much impressed me..

Also I can not understand your sentence
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Ill take a YP 80 in any prop any time and beat you... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Sorry for not being more concise, Atomic Marten...I meant that if you take a YP 80, I can take any type of prop and kill it, even if it takes a long time...hehe

And as fo rthe Ki84C, almost all the kills it gets are "one shot kills', thats nothing new....its hard to tell a great pilot from a so-so one in a 84C when its on your tail

No doubt, the Ki84 series really are great planes, and I have always liked them, I just take exception to the 1C model...the 1A or 1B models are honest, and have strengths and weaknesses...just that **** 1C model is bogus...not only was it made in less than 2 or 300 examples, but a questionable combat record, and also the guns drop my freame rates, hehe

Really tho, someone who kills me in a Ki84 A or B gets my respect, just as if they flew a P 47, or Lagg, or any other non uber type...the C, tho...nothing but disdain, lol

madgett
12-07-2004, 05:16 PM
wow this little joke got outta hand, i thought it was funny and ive been playing for a week...the thing that i can't stand online is the freakin cheating and hacking...hackers are noobs in my opinion. i know one thing, doing aileron roles in an f-15 is a lot different than doing aileron roles while i sit in nice 1 G world with a bunch of online hackers lol...

Gibbage1
12-07-2004, 05:44 PM
Here is one. When fallowing someone mud-mooving, DONT FALLOW TOO CLOSE! Its called delayed fuse bomb. I dont need your friggen -400 points because you were fallowing my P-38 into a group of tanks! Stay the heII back! If you wanna help me, distract the enemy fighters.

Slammin_
12-07-2004, 10:40 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Tunturisusi:
Good advises all....
One more thing. If you wish to impress someone by flying in a really close formation with someone...ask the guy if it is ok. Another thing is, if the other guy has 1800kg/2000kg bomb(s) under the belly, perhaps you should take a distance when the other is bombing.
It happens a lot of times nowadays that some newbie moron comes to your wing and tries to keep the formation...which of course fails causing constant close misses or then the poor bastard rams you. And then the thumb sucker just says "sorry...this is just game" like the otherone doesn't know it. Point is that the one has just wasted a lot of time to this flight that is now cancelled by a moronstrike.

Only thing to help here is to bail immidiatelly a moron comes to your wing and then switch sides. There are usually only 2-5% of morons in a server, so chanses are good that there isn't a one on the other side. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

The sanity returns! Good job!

x__CRASH__x
12-07-2004, 10:55 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Daiichidoku:
...plus, why would you want a name that many others have in the game, anyhow? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I'm fly for the U.S. Navy. I didn't choose my callsign. I just use it because it is mine.

Am I the only Crash? Hardly. But I should be. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

I've challenged the others 1v1 to keep the name. Not one of them has taken me up on it. Doubt they would give it up if I beat them anyway. I know I wouldn't, cause I can't.

Copperhead310th
12-08-2004, 01:21 AM
really you need to add this in there too:

"you are not Gunther Rall, Erich Hartman, or the Red Baron and painting your plane up to look just like theres and adding a hackencross on the tail will not give you superhuman piloting skills"

Copperhead310th
12-08-2004, 01:29 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BuzzU:
Yeah, well I want my noob training, and i'm not leaving until I get it.


So there. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Dear Mr. BuzzU,
we reget to inform you that you are overqulified in you recant application for N00B status grade 1 training. Based upon the information obtained by our staff (Posts: 5924 | Registered: Sat December 08 2001) you officaly lost you NooBie status on Dec. 08 2002. As such we must decline your application to NooB U. Thank you for applying to NooB U.
Regetfully,
Irwin R. NooB PhD (Noobology)
Dean NooB Studies

x__CRASH__x
12-08-2004, 02:06 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Copperhead310th:
really you need to add this in there too:

"you are not Gunther Rall, Erich Hartman, or the Red Baron and painting your plane up to look just like theres and adding a hackencross on the tail will not give you superhuman piloting skills" <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Stop leg humping all the LW pilots. Seriously.

Didn't you quit?

Daiichidoku
12-08-2004, 09:39 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by x__CRASH__x:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Daiichidoku:
...plus, why would you want a name that many others have in the game, anyhow? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I'm fly for the U.S. Navy. I didn't choose my callsign. I just use it because it is mine.

Am I the only Crash? Hardly. But I should be. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

I've challenged the others 1v1 to keep the name. Not one of them has taken me up on it. Doubt they would give it up if I beat them anyway. I know I wouldn't, cause I can't. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Read my post more carefully , CRASH, I never said "nickname" callsigns....just the ones that are of known and real pilots...

thats why I like my mane, no one else has it, and I never need to use daiichidoku4683 or any **** liek that on the internet

If someone uses thier real life surname, that sfine, or a nickname,,,,,but i was talking about the molders's, the bong, the boyingtons etc

NorrisMcWhirter
12-08-2004, 09:56 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by CivilDog:
What bugs me is when people playing a game call themselves "pilots" and are always talking about what they "fly" while at the same time gripe about how other people may enjoy playing the same game.

I figure that if I pay 30-50 bucks for a game I'll "fly" what I want. That's why I don't like the dogfight rooms. They are full of a bunch of Spitfire/Mk108 armed 109/Doras/Frank/Corsair flying dorks who complain about people who fly Spitfires/Mk108 armed 109s/Franks/Corsairs.

COOP's, as rare as they are, are far more realistic and more likely to be full of people who more mature and grounded in reality. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

At last, a post with a valid point without any pomposity or ego-massaging. Well said.

Cheers,
norris

Atomic_Marten
12-08-2004, 11:50 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Gibbage1:
Here is one. When fallowing someone mud-mooving, DONT FALLOW TOO CLOSE! Its called delayed fuse bomb. I dont need your friggen -400 points because you were fallowing my P-38 into a group of tanks! Stay the heII back! If you wanna help me, distract the enemy fighters. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

What you said is true. It is however, not limited just to ground busting activities, but also may regularly be seen in dogfight situations.

In my not that long online playtime, I have never seen situation in which no player is going to follow you when you follow already shot-up bandit. Instead of staying at alt and watch&controll situation (which BTW, some experienced? players would do) in the case the rest of the boogies may appear, no here your help comes.

And oops.. you hear bullets hit your wings. But these are friendly ones, hurt less.. and -400 points are awarded to your savior. LOL http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

Coop games rulez.. you have one try. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Copperhead310th
12-08-2004, 05:46 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by x__CRASH__x:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Copperhead310th:
really you need to add this in there too:

"you are not Gunther Rall, Erich Hartman, or the Red Baron and painting your plane up to look just like theres and adding a hackencross on the tail will not give you superhuman piloting skills" <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Stop leg humping all the LW pilots. Seriously.

Didn't you quit? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

No but if he's gonna point out Bong he may as well point out those guys as wall. After all i don't see any 39thBong around. But you sure see a hell of a lot of guys calling them selves Hartman.
that was my point is all. more of being a joke. don't take it too seriously crash. geez. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

faustnik
12-08-2004, 05:51 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Copperhead310th:
don't take it too seriously crash. geez. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hmmm...that's interesting coming from the guy who wanted to get into physical fights over forum discussions.

Why don't you try challenging Crash to an online fight Copperhead? That would be more fun. It might also prove that you know what you are talking about and aren't just blowing wind. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Atomic_Marten
12-08-2004, 07:01 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Copperhead310th:
No but if he's gonna point out Bong he may as well point out those guys as wall. After all i don't see any 39thBong around. But you sure see a hell of a lot of guys calling them selves Hartman. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That is really hilarious, and you guys are having a point there. Nicknaming yourself by name of some famous air ace, is funny to me.. no hard feelings here, but just it is.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

x__CRASH__x
12-08-2004, 11:53 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by faustnik:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Copperhead310th:
don't take it too seriously crash. geez. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hmmm...that's interesting coming from the guy who wanted to get into physical fights over forum discussions.

Why don't you try challenging Crash to an online fight Copperhead? That would be more fun. It might also prove that you know what you are talking about and aren't just blowing wind. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Copper and I have fought 1v1 on several occasions.