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XyZspineZyX
06-23-2003, 10:36 PM
Alright, its summer and I am at college, needless to say I have lots of freetime. I just finished reading "Flags of Our Fathers", which is a chronical of the lives of the six men in the flag raising picture from Iwo Jima. Now I would like to get into a book more towards WWII avaition. Does anyone have any suggestions?

BTW, if you havent read Flags of Our Fathers, I highly recommend it, John Bradley was from my hometown, so I had a special interest in it, but it really goes deep into the minds of these men and their experiences.

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XyZspineZyX
06-23-2003, 10:36 PM
Alright, its summer and I am at college, needless to say I have lots of freetime. I just finished reading "Flags of Our Fathers", which is a chronical of the lives of the six men in the flag raising picture from Iwo Jima. Now I would like to get into a book more towards WWII avaition. Does anyone have any suggestions?

BTW, if you havent read Flags of Our Fathers, I highly recommend it, John Bradley was from my hometown, so I had a special interest in it, but it really goes deep into the minds of these men and their experiences.

--lbhkilla--

http://lbhskier37.freeservers.com/FW190.jpg .

"Ich bin ein Wuergerwhiner"

"We could do with some of those razor blades, Herr Reichsmarshall."
When Erwin Rommel that British fighter-bombers had shot up my tanks with 40mm shells, the Hermann G√¬∂ring who felt himself touched by this, said: "That's completely impossible. The Americans only know how to make razor blades." and the above was Rommels reply.

XyZspineZyX
06-23-2003, 11:06 PM
While I was trawling through a second hand bookshop looking for Vol 1 of Black Cross Red Star :

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0935553487/102-3442099-4047336

I came across this. Full Circle
The Story of Air-fighting by Air Vice-Marshal J.E. (Johnnie) Johnson.

http://www.phoenixpress.co.uk/book-template.asp?isbn=0304358606

Great book although its fairly general. In the link there are other books that might fit the bill.





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XyZspineZyX
06-23-2003, 11:20 PM
Speaking about RAF pilots, Nine Lives by Alan Deere is quite good.

Yeats, Winged Victor is also very good, although it is about WWI. Even so i highly recomend it. As it says on the back of my copy (and i paraphrase) "The 8th AF bomber crews would spend ‚£5, the equivalent of almost a weeks pay, to reed what was according to them the only flying book that "isnt flannel""

You are right,' said Pangloss, 'for, when man was placed in the Garden of Eden, he was placed there ut operaretur eum, to dress it and keep it; which proves that man was not born for idleness.' 'Let us work without theorizing," said Martin, 'tis the only way to make life endurable.'"-- Voltaire, Candide

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XyZspineZyX
06-24-2003, 01:13 AM
Ill have to look into them. Any others? I got lots of time/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif Especially waiting for patch.

--lbhkilla--

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"Ich bin ein Wuergerwhiner"

"We could do with some of those razor blades, Herr Reichsmarshall."
When Erwin Rommel that British fighter-bombers had shot up my tanks with 40mm shells, the Hermann G√¬∂ring who felt himself touched by this, said: "That's completely impossible. The Americans only know how to make razor blades." and the above was Rommels reply.

XyZspineZyX
06-24-2003, 02:58 AM
What its like to be demoted to groundcrew by RBJ

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Good dogfighters bring ammo home, Great ones don't. (c) Leadspitter

XyZspineZyX
06-24-2003, 03:04 AM
Osprey's "VIII Fighter Command at War 'Long Reach'" ISBN 1-85532-907-7

It is originally from "The Long Reach" which was a survey of 2 dozen fighter pilots focusing on the tactics that they employed against the LW. A/c are the P-51, P-47 and P-38.

edit. Should have mentioned Helmut Lipfert's biography of his time on the EF. http://www.schifferbooks.com/military/luftwaffe/0887404464.html

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Message Edited on 06/23/0310:58PM by MiloMorai

XyZspineZyX
06-24-2003, 03:07 AM
Paul Richeys account of the Battle of France is excellent...i'm racking my brains for the title, can someone help me? It was published by Pan in the UK, I believe its out of print now.

Also, Ginger Lacey's "Fighter Pilot" is an excellent account of the early airwar in Europe. It was alos published by Pan, and is also out of print AFAIK, but ebay or the like might turn one up.

And "Full Circle" is excellent.

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XyZspineZyX
06-24-2003, 03:08 AM
Fire in the Sky: The Air War In the Southwest Pacific
by Eric Bergerud

http://www.westviewpress.com/fireinthesky/cover.jpg


Read about it:
http://www.westviewpress.com/fireinthesky/


To Win The Winter Sky
http://images.amazon.com/images/P/1580970060.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

Read about it:
http://www.airpower.maxwell.af.mil/airchronicles/bookrev/parker.html



Six Months To Oblivion
http://www.schifferbooks.com/military/luftwaffe/images/0887403484.gif

Read about it:
http://www.schifferbooks.com/military/luftwaffe/0887403484.html





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Message Edited on 06/24/0306:13AM by SkyChimp

XyZspineZyX
06-24-2003, 03:25 AM
There is a good book about a RAF pilot who flew in combat with no legs. He had a pair of tin legs. He was captured by the germans and escaped many times. he even escape out out of a second story window of a hospital.

The name of the book is REACH For THE SKY.

XyZspineZyX
06-24-2003, 03:39 AM
Interesting that Soapy mentioned Full Circle by J.Johnson.

I read this about 6 months ago but didn't care for it much. As Soapy said it was fairly general which to my mind lacked focus. Not enough meat on any of the subjects covered.

However....it's an interesting read in one respect: It was written when the RAF amongst others had decided the fighter aircraft was surely obsolete and long range missiles were the way forward. It's this idea that forms the title of the book and suprisingly (given his background) the author agrees with this future view of air combat - or the lack thereof. I'd have thought he'd be the last to admit or advocate the changing mindset of the air arm.

As it is, Full Circle is a telling snapshot of broader ideas circulating at the time. For this reason alone (in my opinion only reason) it's worth a look.


Lixma,

Blitzpig.

XyZspineZyX
06-24-2003, 03:40 AM
The name of the guy the book was written about was Douglas Bader

XyZspineZyX
06-24-2003, 03:40 AM
aussieosprey wrote:
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- The name of the book is REACH For THE SKY.
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Douglas Bader is his name. He lost his legs in a crash of a Bulldog in Dec 1931 while doing a roll as he came in to land.




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XyZspineZyX
06-24-2003, 03:42 AM
Fly For Your Life by Larry Forrester
http://www.spottersguide.com/flylife.jpg

It's a novel about the British Ace Robert Standford Tuck and his spitfire. Good novel, even has some Russian front in it http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
Amazon.com (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00005VXS4/qid=1056422465/sr=1-4/ref=sr_1_4/103-9526257-9410210?v=glance&s=books)
ISBN 0-553-20391-6

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XyZspineZyX
06-24-2003, 03:46 AM
Fly for your life is an excellent read!

The book about Douglas Bader was written by Paul Brickhill IIRC

Bader has also written a book himself, about the spitfire and hurricane. It covers the entire war and is also quite good fun. My copy is in a box in my sisters attic back in sweden at the moment, so i cant tell you any more than that as my memory isnt good enough...

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XyZspineZyX
06-24-2003, 03:51 AM
actually Duoglas Bader lost his legs when he was showing off to some of mates in another squadron. when doing a loop in a bulldog which wasn't very manuveable he plowed into the ground just after he pulled out of the loop.

XyZspineZyX
06-24-2003, 04:28 AM
Surely he was flying a tiger moth? I flew in Bulls as an air cadet a few years ago and I'm sure they aint bin in service since the 30's /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
06-24-2003, 04:31 AM
Bristol Bulldog

http://users.chariot.net.au/~theburfs/images/000-148-380.jpg




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XyZspineZyX
06-24-2003, 04:40 AM
I stand corrected...my bad, whenever someone says bulldog I automatically think the little trainers, not the fighter /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

Ah well...

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Throw out your cares and fly...
Wanna go for a ride?

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XyZspineZyX
06-24-2003, 04:42 AM
Your Bulldog is made by Scottish Aviation, is it not?


BombTaxi wrote:
- I stand corrected...my bad, whenever someone says
- bulldog I automatically think the little trainers,
- not the fighter

Like this Swedish one

http://w1.522.telia.com/~u52220225/422A30-SK61-05.jpg


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Message Edited on 06/23/0311:43PM by MiloMorai

XyZspineZyX
06-24-2003, 04:46 AM
Thats the one. Nice little plane, I flew one a few times (with an instructor). Loved every second of it! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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"So save your prayers for when we're really gonna need 'em.
Throw out your cares and fly...
Wanna go for a ride?

-Billy Corgan

XyZspineZyX
06-24-2003, 04:48 AM
Call me rookie, which I am, but why ar the cockpits on trainers so high up and bulbous? Is it to give the trainee a better FOV for an easier flight? (I've always wondered this)

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XyZspineZyX
06-24-2003, 04:55 AM
Mainly, yes. You can see a lot from the Bulldog pit.I suppose it makes navigation a lot easier. Its also great for admiring the scenery when the instructors flying it! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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Throw out your cares and fly...
Wanna go for a ride?

-Billy Corgan

XyZspineZyX
06-24-2003, 04:58 AM
BombTaxi wrote:
- Mainly, yes. You can see a lot from the Bulldog
- pit.I suppose it makes navigation a lot easier. Its
- also great for admiring the scenery when the
- instructors flying it! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
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- Whirlwind Whiner - "New To The Few!"
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- "So save your prayers for when we're really gonna
- need 'em.
- Throw out your cares and fly...
- Wanna go for a ride?
-
--Billy Corgan

Thank you.

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XyZspineZyX
06-24-2003, 06:10 AM
thanks guys!!! Has anyone read Eagle in Flames?, or The rise and Fall of the Luftwaffe?(I think thats the name) I saw these in my schools library, wondering if they are any good. I also was recommended the Diary of Helmut Lipfert by a mate of mine/

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"Ich bin ein Wuergerwhiner"

"We could do with some of those razor blades, Herr Reichsmarshall."
When Erwin Rommel that British fighter-bombers had shot up my tanks with 40mm shells, the Hermann G√¬∂ring who felt himself touched by this, said: "That's completely impossible. The Americans only know how to make razor blades." and the above was Rommels reply.

XyZspineZyX
06-24-2003, 06:12 AM
also, again, if anyone wants a good book about the marines, check out Flags of Our Fathers. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif just a plug, John Bradley was a really good guy/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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http://lbhskier37.freeservers.com/FW190.jpg .

"Ich bin ein Wuergerwhiner"

"We could do with some of those razor blades, Herr Reichsmarshall."
When Erwin Rommel that British fighter-bombers had shot up my tanks with 40mm shells, the Hermann G√¬∂ring who felt himself touched by this, said: "That's completely impossible. The Americans only know how to make razor blades." and the above was Rommels reply.