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Taylortony
09-14-2005, 12:57 PM
I went to work in a good mood to find some lowlife had broken in and took an axe to one of my babies http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif

I can rebuild her, but i think the labour and parts will come to more than she is worth http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gifhttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif
We have had her from new and we were growing old together http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif

If I ever catch them they will be sorry........

p1ngu666
09-14-2005, 01:04 PM
wtf? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

KRISTORF
09-14-2005, 01:05 PM
Scum

p1ngu666
09-14-2005, 01:09 PM
http://www.duct-tape.com/ssc061.jpg

i save u http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

nickdanger3
09-14-2005, 01:15 PM
Either a complete nutcase or you really pi$$ed somebody off.

Allan05
09-14-2005, 01:18 PM
Well this is what i dont get, why would some 1 randomly come in and smash up a plane then make off with radios? I mean, the radios yeah (they might need money or somthing) but smashing up Tonys plane THATS JUST OUT OF ORDER!!!!!!!

Tony good luck if ur rebuilding ur plane m8

woofiedog
09-14-2005, 01:19 PM
http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:MjbJzlauOmIJ:http://supersensual.blog.uol.com.br/images/Angry_Face.jpg ... http://www.apeculture.com/images/angryhf.jpg

Airmail109
09-14-2005, 01:22 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif Hope you get this sorted without to much fuss tony!

Its sick, probably just some kid having a laugh. Or you pissed somone of tony http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

That sucks bigtime!

Id come and help patch her up if I had time, maybe in the holidays!

Taylortony
09-14-2005, 01:29 PM
Nope not upset anyone, there was 2 planes in the hangar, this was the only one touched... they also stole some of the radios out of it.....

StellarRat
09-14-2005, 01:34 PM
You have insurance? How did they get in?

Taylortony
09-14-2005, 01:35 PM
of course

tHeBaLrOgRoCkS
09-14-2005, 01:37 PM
man that really sucks Tony you have my sympathies. This kind of mindless bS is becoming far to common. Good luck with the repairs http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

xTHRUDx
09-14-2005, 01:37 PM
as a 172 pilot myself, that ....that just plane hurts to look at. i hope you had good insurance thru AOPA or another organization. that damage looks malicious. the person that did that had some kind of avaition knowledge. finger prints? with all the pounding did, did anyone hear anything? i'm surprised the pitot tube is still there.

if i every catch a vandal i'd want to beat the **** outa him in the name of all those who had wished they had caught the vandal that vandalized them.

sad, that's just sad

Airmail109
09-14-2005, 01:38 PM
Hope the insurance company doesnt scrap it if u replace it on insurance! Id love to get hold of a plane in that condition and do it up!! I hate to see things go to waste!

TheGozr
09-14-2005, 01:39 PM
No surveillance cameras at the entrance of the airdrome? Serious security matter here..

StellarRat
09-14-2005, 01:39 PM
Whew...http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Well, at least you'll be able to get it fixed or replaced. I just don't understand why anyone would do that to an airplane. Some people just don't deserve to walk this Earth.

ReligiousZealot
09-14-2005, 01:40 PM
Woo...that is a really mean thing for someone to do. If you ever catch them, make sure their wait for the cops to come is long and excruciatingly painful http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif. Good luck, hope you get her all patched up and flyable again http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif!

Kuna15
09-14-2005, 01:45 PM
Now that is something really low. I have always been really angry with that kind of criminals. If they are going to steal, then steal have some good out of that, but I can't understand destroying other people's property for no reason, no benefit there at all.

They are either nutcases, kids or like folks suggested someone that is angry at you. Good thing is that you have insurance.

Airmail109
09-14-2005, 01:45 PM
Im confused for one no robber would go for that merely for the radios. No lowlife scumbag townie/vandal would have nay clue where to specifically hit a plane with an axe...such as the leading edges http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif, and you havnt annoyed any people. Maybe they hit the wrong guys areoplane because they sure knew what they were doing, i dont think that was one person as it would take to long.

Jesus if someone did that to any of my planes (if I can afford one when Im older) id be hugely upset....as its my life obsession! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

PBNA-Boosher
09-14-2005, 01:51 PM
That sucks, TT. I hope you can rebuild everything.

Taylortony
09-14-2005, 01:53 PM
Ive always been really proud of it, cherished it from new touched up paint chips, lavished it, and then some mindless moron does that........ have walked around in a daze all day http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

Airmail109
09-14-2005, 01:57 PM
Personally I dont think its any old moron....that looks like someone who knows what they are doing....be observant TonyT you may see them skulking about. They may also be back...so maybe set up a camera. If the cops dont get em, be patient....they are probably connected to the areodrome.

Keep us up to date on any findings tony!

I feel real sorry for u dude!

womenfly
09-14-2005, 02:17 PM
Sorry to hear this Tony.

You did get the FED's involved ... right. Its a Federal offence to damage, steal, etc. to any aircraft, let alone to trespass on airport property .... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

ploughman
09-14-2005, 02:18 PM
It's only stuff Tony, the important thing is that you're alright. She'll fly again.

KIMURA
09-14-2005, 02:30 PM
uhhmm, that isn't true, isn't it? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

Bearcat99
09-14-2005, 02:37 PM
Who did you piss off?
That sucks...... but it looks personal. Sorry to see that kind of stuff anytime.....

T_O_A_D
09-14-2005, 02:39 PM
Stupid People http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

GBrutus
09-14-2005, 02:56 PM
Total morons, makes you wonder about the society we live in. This kind of mindless behavior seems all too common. Sorry to hear this Taylortony. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Low_Flyer_MkII
09-14-2005, 03:14 PM
My sincere condolances.

TROOPER117
09-14-2005, 03:17 PM
Be patient mate, what goes around comes around..They'll get theirs!
Hope you get things repaired and you get airborne again.

Regards...Dave S.

XyZspineZyX
09-14-2005, 03:22 PM
do u have an ex wife tony?? jk, that totally sucks what they did to your pride and joy, thankfully 172 parts are a dime a dozen and the insurance should clear that all up

JG52_wunsch
09-14-2005, 03:24 PM
some f@!#% people.unbelieveable.good luck getting her fixed,cheers m8

Popey109
09-14-2005, 03:29 PM
MAN! do you need a patch http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif hope they left some finger prints behind and you get some justice\Revenge http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

Capt.LoneRanger
09-14-2005, 03:41 PM
Ban them and wait for the patch.

j/k - but some people have a really sick sense of fun.

JunkoIfurita
09-14-2005, 03:46 PM
Definitely not mindless, and definitely pre-meditated. I mean - you guys don't have random axes just lying around the aerodrome? And people here are right - the damage is specifically targeted to stop the plane from being airborne - leading edges, control surfaces and cockpit controls.

Methinks some angsty ex-commercial pilot with a bone to pick with some authority in your area was making a statement - and you got caught in the middle.

Whatever it is, it's bullsh1t. I hope you have her back off the ground fast so you can rub it in the b@stard's face.

----

Owlsphone
09-14-2005, 03:59 PM
Sorry about that Tony. A similar thing happened to me a month ago. My house was robbed and vandalized while my roommates and I were asleep. All you want to do is find the person who did it and make them regret it. You just have to be glad that no one got hurt or anything. Stuff can be replaced. I hope you catch the person(s) that did that.

Best of luck.

Triggaaar
09-14-2005, 04:11 PM
Originally posted by Aimail101:
Personally I dont think its any old moron....that looks like someone who knows what they are doing....be observant TonyT you may see them skulking about. They may also be back...so maybe set up a camera. If the cops dont get em, be patient....they are probably connected to the areodrome. I think this is really good advice.

As everyone has said, they knew what they were doing. They spent a lot of time covering the whole aircraft. And yet they didn't touch the other plane in the hanger.

The culprit may well be around, and a hidden cctv could give a clue.

willyvic
09-14-2005, 04:12 PM
Tony, there appears to be a lot of anger within someone. It was the ONLY bird involved, perhaps a personal statement to you. Please, be extra careful/mindful till you get it sorted out. Head on a swivel and such.

F0_Dark_P
09-14-2005, 04:15 PM
oh man!, i suffer with you http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

it looks like what JunkoIfurita say, that this looks like some one that is angry with some authority in your area, and he wanted to make a statement, and unfortunate you got caught in the middle, couse you are sure that no one are angry at you?..

russ.nl
09-14-2005, 04:50 PM
http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/2561/11is.th.png (http://img144.imageshack.us/my.php?image=11is.png)

just kidding m8, I really think its terrible but something is just not adding up. Any way look on the bride side and be glad that they didnt target you.
Good luck with the rebuild.

BigC208
09-14-2005, 05:32 PM
Amazing...in 20 years of flying, 6 years as an aviation insurance adjuster, have I ever seen anything like that. Looks to me like pure vandalism or get evenism. A thief would have taken the GPS as well. No need for chopping the plane up like that. Quick in and out. No need to smash up the instrument panel like that. Again what an assenine thing to do. I can sort of understand the motivation of a thief making a quick buck but this is beyond me. Better lock the plane up even better next time in case the idiot comes back for more.

WE_STAND_ALONE
09-14-2005, 05:48 PM
Holy crapola!

The guys that already said..they knew what they were doing weren't kidding!!!

This is NOT random..or some inexperienced avaition theives. I am an aircraft mechanic and it's blatently obvious to me..lol

You pissed off someone big time!

Enforcer572005
09-14-2005, 05:58 PM
Im with womenflys.....this is a MAJOR FED offense, and is normally dealt with harshly by the fed courts. I assume you have contacted the FAA AND the FBI.....these nuts could cause some damage that could get some1 killed, and wiht the current war situation, they may even get prosecuted under some terrorism laws. If they left any prints etc, those feds will find it. i hope you have sanitized and roped off the scene. Dont let any1 in there to contaminate it. they are VERY serious about that.

I had my house severly vandalized (in my absence of course...otherwise; BLAM!...thud, moan,bleed), and my beloved huskie was poisioned by some maggot for me taking engagement announcement photos of his former girlfriend, or someone he thought was his girlfriend.

I am hiring others to deal wiht it, since the cops are so blasted helpless around here. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

WE_STAND_ALONE
09-14-2005, 06:04 PM
just so you guys know..this is an aircraft in United Kingdom

not the US...

The "feds" are the UK Civil Aviation Authority right?

here in the US..that vandalism is a federal offense

fordfan25
09-14-2005, 06:28 PM
Originally posted by WE_STAND_ALONE:
Holy crapola!

The guys that already said..they knew what they were doing weren't kidding!!!

This is NOT random..or some inexperienced avaition theives. I am an aircraft mechanic and it's blatently obvious to me..lol

You pissed off someone big time!


yep eather taht or like someone else said, some body pi$$ed somebody off. weather it was a case of mixing up the planes or not thats not a random act. iv done alot of random acts "mostly involving eggs or soap lol" iv also done a few gettevenism. that is gettevenism...abit amture hour but hay not every body can be the uber punk i used to be LMAO.

fordfan25
09-14-2005, 06:38 PM
Originally posted by WE_STAND_ALONE:
just so you guys know..this is an aircraft in United Kingdom

not the US...

The "feds" are the UK Civil Aviation Authority right?

here in the US..that vandalism is a federal offense


what!! 4 real http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif maby i should not have stuck that bananna up that f15's tail pipe

WE_STAND_ALONE
09-14-2005, 06:45 PM
yep..for real..working on finding the proof in writing now...(having hard time finding the written word in US..but did find it in canada site)
http://www.capdefnet.org/fdprc/contents/fed_cap_off/18_usc_32.htm

similiar to US laws

oh and my god..that's alot of bananas X2.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

ImpStarDuece
09-14-2005, 06:53 PM
Of all the low down, dirty thinkgs to do. I hope whoever did thins gets nailed good and proper.

Taking an axe to someones pride and joy like that. We con only hope that the punishment fits the crime when the law catches up with them.

Seriously, this individual has some issues. I'm with Jurinko on this though, it was definitely a premeditated act. No-one breaks into a hangar and does damage like that on the spur of the moment.

From the extent and specificity of the damage in the photos, it would of taken quite a bit of time to accomplish. Plus breaking into the cockpit, removing the radios and damaging the instruments. It seems to be deliberate, calculated act. Just from the damage in the photos there were at lest 40 swings taken. That takes a fair bit of time and the damage is to precise to be the work of some local nutter.

I hope you get her up and flying again Tony. Just think how good it will be to get her in the air again!

DarkBlueMan
09-14-2005, 06:54 PM
A bird with it's wings clipped by a vandal and grounded http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif The perpetrator belongs in a cell for a long time, be sure.

Covino
09-14-2005, 08:17 PM
****, Tony, definetly be careful. The only reason I can see something like that happening is if someone is out to get you. And if a person can sneak in and cause that much damage and noise without getting caught, they can surely sabotage the plane to cause more than just property damage...

SkyChimp
09-14-2005, 08:33 PM
Be prepared fro a grilling from your insurance company.

No suspects. No motive. No reason to vandalize the plane. The only one that stands to benefit is you.

I'm not saying you did it, by any means. I'm simply saying, as an insurance adjuster myself, that such things are viewed suspisciously, and you may find yourself the object of scrutiny. Be careful.

huggy87
09-14-2005, 09:14 PM
What a shame. My condolonces.

wayno7777
09-14-2005, 09:29 PM
Oh man, I feel for you, Tony. What the others said. Keep your chin up and those eyes a darting....

blakduk
09-14-2005, 09:43 PM
Condolences dude.
Whoever did it picked their target and were pretty sure no-one was going to hear or see them. Hangars are quiet places that echo a lot and those bangs to the fuselage would have made a lot of noise- they must have some connection with the aerodrome and know about the security (ie lack of it!) around the site.
Wait and see where those radios turn up....

blakduk
09-14-2005, 09:49 PM
Taylortony- sorry to see the damage but congratulations on maintaining such a clean kite!

pourshot
09-14-2005, 11:11 PM
Originally posted by SkyChimp:
Be prepared fro a grilling from your insurance company.

No suspects. No motive. No reason to vandalize the plane. The only one that stands to benefit is you.

I'm not saying you did it, by any means. I'm simply saying, as an insurance adjuster myself, that such things are viewed suspisciously, and you may find yourself the object of scrutiny. Be careful.

Thats what I was thinking, but then I thought what if Tony was not the target. There were two planes in the hanger and perhaps he got the wrong one?

It is my experiance that if it was just vandals the damage would be on both planes and anything else that could be smashed, so I get the gut feeling that the stolen radio was just a smoke screen.

buglord
09-14-2005, 11:28 PM
Originally posted by Aimail101:
Personally I dont think its any old moron....that looks like someone who knows what they are doing....be observant TonyT you may see them skulking about. They may also be back...so maybe set up a camera. If the cops dont get em, be patient....they are probably connected to the areodrome.
I feel real sorry for u dude!

id agree with aimail on this im no expert tony but it looks as if its been hit in the right places ,to do all that & the amount of noise it would make a thief wouldnt risk it like others have said "in & out" not make lots of noise then rob something. Hope you sort that bird out m8 , how long would it take to fix.

VV_Holdenb
09-15-2005, 01:27 AM
Madness. Sorry to see Tony. Hope you can fix it!

There must have been a LOT of noise?
No Security?

As for the conspiracy theories:
Why would some one want to do it for the insurance on such a "good condition" and well looked after plane?

HotelBushranger
09-15-2005, 03:02 AM
IMO, if you find the bastard that did that, do to him what you had done unto you: Tie him up, stretch out his hand, and get to work with your own axe http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif My bet is he'll learn his lesson real quick

Slechtvalk
09-15-2005, 03:23 AM
Like a bad dream but then 1 that isn't 1.


Looks like an angry wife...
Did you play to much il-2?

Pirschjaeger
09-15-2005, 03:32 AM
To break into a hangar and stay long enough make that much noise and damage, I'd say it wasn't personal but rather random. If it was personal it would have been sugar in the tank. Have you checked that? Be sure to look for any possible sabotage before you take her up again.

The culprit/culprits must be quite young. Stealing the radios might be for money to support a habit but I think it's more likely they were stolen because they could be.

It just seems like a random act of vandalism.

Remember, if you keep her and fly her again, you must check for unseen damagages. You can't just pullover when the engine quits.

Sorry for your loss TT.

Fritz

x__CRASH__x
09-15-2005, 03:42 AM
Originally posted by Aimail101:
Personally I dont think its any old moron....that looks like someone who knows what they are doing....
How did you deduce that Inspector? You mentioned they hit the leading edges of the wings, so they must know what they are doing. Well, they hit the ENTIRE AIRPLANE! Of course the leading edges will get a bash! Look at the photos! They vandel walked around the airplane swinging, letting the hits fall where they may! Not the work of a professional airplane hitman, as you may be suggesting.

Capt.England
09-15-2005, 05:52 AM
What does airport security say about this TT? Someone must of been sleeping on the job? IMHO, I say that it looks personal or some kind of green nutter who thinks we should go back to living in the dark ages again.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

blairgowrie
09-15-2005, 06:01 AM
Very sorry to hear this Tony. A completely mindless act.

woofiedog
09-15-2005, 06:06 AM
It would be interesting to see how you fix the damage and the progress in a set of Photo's... if you could or wouldn't mind.

John_Stag
09-15-2005, 06:33 AM
That is heartbreaking. I hope the bastard responsible is caught.

msalama
09-15-2005, 06:46 AM
Man, my condolences for your loss http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif And I sure hope you catch those motherf**kers http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

MEGILE
09-15-2005, 06:59 AM
WTF?!
What a looser..

new-fherathras
09-15-2005, 07:29 AM
Kick him

hunhunter-texas
09-15-2005, 08:31 AM
Is that at East Mids TT?? We had a plane attacked at our flying club by some locals a few weeks back. Climbed over the perimeter fence and poured paint stripper all over it.

Simple fact is, there are unstable people out there who dont like aeroplanes, although I have to agree that in this case, there seems to be more too it.

Start checking ebay....the radios will turn up. You could also send details/pics to all the UK flying clubs/airfields. I'll happily put em up at Peterborough for you.

CruiseTorpedo
09-15-2005, 08:40 AM
My car was recently broken into, just vandelism nothing but a mirror and antenna taken. The cops taking the report were the ones grilling me on this one, not the insurance. Made me mad, I've had this car for 6 years and it's not worth much (just a stupid hatchback economy thing)so why would I smash the window and rip a few pieces out? Ugh Wasnt even close to being a totaled car. People suck!

russ.nl
09-15-2005, 09:04 AM
I'm just saying this to help because brainstorming about it sometimes brings you to new ideas or perspectives witch might
help. I assume that you use these planes for work because you sad you went to work and found that someone broke in. This
can suggest that it is an other company that has caused this damage. There are some other things that are odd. The extant of
the damage, and lack of damage on the windows. Of course the windscreen is very hard and I can see that there is a star in
it but I would love to trash the windows if I where them on a random act of vandalism. If this is an act of anger I think
it must be someone you know, and wanted to punish you for something. Perhaps a son, daughter, stepson, cousin, wife, ex-wife
or former college. It really can be family! I know of a strange thing in my step- family, involving an uncle. If someone
wanted to really get you he would have taken those radio's and set fire to your plane. That way he would be long gone be
the time the fire would be noticed. Know he/she toke a risk by making so much noise. Suggesting knowledge of security
schedule. And why would you even want to have those radio's, it would be better to rob an electronics store then.
Something else. The key on your yoke. This might mean something, if you didn't put it there of course.
You just could have done this yourself for insurance reasons, but lets not go that way.
Any way I hope this helps and that the case will be solved soon.

AWL_Spinner
09-15-2005, 09:13 AM
Ouch. That's just horrible. Sorry to see that sort of damage - I've a few hours in a 172 with that same paint scheme myself. That aircraft also ended up written off, sadly.

Hope the plod catch whomever was responsible, any problems with NIMBY noise protesters in the local area?

Capt_Pepper
09-15-2005, 09:15 AM
Deepset sympathies Tony.....you sure don't deserve something like this.

I hope you can find a way to make it all work out and that they catch whomever did this.

neural_dream
09-15-2005, 09:15 AM
Originally posted by hunhunter-texas:
Start checking ebay....the radios will turn up. You could also send details/pics to all the UK flying clubs/airfields. I'll happily put em up at Peterborough for you.
don't ignore that advice tony

Airmail109
09-15-2005, 01:19 PM
"When it comes to the struggle to defend airfields, two themes become very apparent. On the one side we have organisations such as the General Aviation Awareness Council decrying a "latent complacency" in, and general lack of support from, the aviation community. On the other, the anti-aviation lobbies cast our community as a small minority selfishly pursuing a rich man's leisure activity to the detriment of the majority."

Seems we may have a problem.........http://www.airfields.org.uk/about.htm

Snyde-Dastardly
09-15-2005, 01:53 PM
Ya know I havent posted in a long time,,,but I have to on this one. Man am I sorry.Really Really sorry.

CARPE DIEM

LeadSpitter_
09-15-2005, 05:01 PM
Im sure you probally asked but dont they have security cameras watching the plane lots, every company I know does here in NJ at teterboro. You wont be able to see them yourselves but if they do can be given to the towns police.

GT182
09-15-2005, 07:14 PM
Sorry to hear that Tony. I DO hope they catch the basta*ds and throw the book at em. That's a Federal offense btw and will put them away for awhile.

There has to be some sort of security camera around there that will show them. I see they smashed some of the gauges and a radio. But the keys are still in her... strange. There has to be fingerprints left by them from stealing the radios.

WE_STAND_ALONE
09-15-2005, 07:22 PM
unless these people are REALLY stupid..you won't see them on ebay. These are aircraft instruments which are tracked/serialized,etc. Whomever would buy one without a certificate (what we call in the US an form 8130)would have to have it sent for overhaul for it to be considered legal/airworthy.

not to mention..the person buying it would have to have a slot in the instrument panel ready for the same exact fitting radio or have to install a tray into their panel to accept it. They are like the old removeable car radios. install/wire up tray..then put radio into tray.

Tony...you should have the instrument P/N's and S/N's. I would contact the UK CAA and report them stolen as well as contact the manufacturer of each instrument so the items are on the "hot" list.

SkyChimp
09-15-2005, 07:49 PM
Originally posted by x__CRASH__x:
How did you deduce that Inspector? You mentioned they hit the leading edges of the wings, so they must know what they are doing. Well, they hit the ENTIRE AIRPLANE! Of course the leading edges will get a bash! Look at the photos! They vandel walked around the airplane swinging, letting the hits fall where they may! Not the work of a professional airplane hitman, as you may be suggesting.


When I look at that picture, I don't see a random act. I see methodology.

If someone had broken in with the intent of causing damage out of anger, they would have whacked that thing wildly and there would be a lot of strikes in a single spot, or to several single spots. That would have released some rage on that plane. That's anger. And it would look like it.

But not here. Someone took their time. Somebody was comfortable in that setting, around that plane. They hit the plane a lot - single whacks in many different spots. The perpetrator was methodical. The stikes are, for the most part, pretty evenly spaced. Down the tail. Down the fuselage. Along the leading edge. Individual guages cracked. Someone thought about this.

This wasn't simply an attempt to damage a plane. This was an attempt to "total" it. And "totaling" a plane, or a car, through vandalism, takes thought and time. And unless there is a suspect, with a motive, the attnetion may turn on the owner.

I think any good insurance adjuster will pick up the ques and insurance fraud will come to mind. That's why I think Taylor ought to be prepared to defend himself against a good grilling. If he has alibies, he ought to get them in order.

Again, I'm not saying he did it. But I'd bet it wasn't just some randon vandalism, either. I'd bet Taylor probably knows the perpetrator (although he doesn't know it now). If they ever catch who did this, I think Taylor is going to be shocked who it is.

msalama
09-15-2005, 10:51 PM
That's why I think Taylor ought to be prepared to defend himself against a good grilling.

Yep http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

One example: my cousin-in-law bought a pimp-a**-70's Mercedes coupé with his mate a while ago. Now it so happened that it was stolen - that s**t happens around here all the time, the area being somewhat rough and all - but miraculously FOUND intact 3 weeks later too! So what _further_ happened was that these poor blokes got a grilling from the cops because they were suspected of insurance fraud http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

But then again, cops (usually) only do what they're instructed to. And it also pays to remember that insurance companies ARE very paranoid nowadays because insurance fraud has gone up everywhere lately!

But still, it's probably true that Tony should be prepared to swallow some c**p too. Talk about adding insult to injury... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

BaldieJr
09-16-2005, 12:11 AM
Someone took their time. Somebody was comfortable in that setting, around that plane. They hit the plane a lot - single whacks in many different spots.


That last pic says it all.

GAU-8
09-16-2005, 01:46 AM
a few questions...

1. was there ANYTHING that set this aircraft apart from any other in the hangar, or airport? new items, whatnot?

2. i used to live at a friends house with a small airstrip in the backyard past the hangar.. many people often worked late/night hours on thier aircraft, next to us. this was quite commonplace. so this got me thinking....is there anybody who could confrim "powered tools" being heard in usage late at night or morning possible to mask up any "penetrating" noises"?????

3.i seriously hate to bring it up, but others have mentioned it too.. is there ANYTHING that you can think of your children, or other family members you had an argument with, and you had to "put your foot down"?? these days so many teens lash out at stuff that you didnt think was/was not of importance to them..or to you.

4. check everybody you come in contat with at home and work for blisters on hands! that many hits to an aircraft should have worn somebodies skin a littel raw, for the "typical" kid/woman hitting above waist or head hieght. (if gloves werent used) i was busted by my dad,because of this very reason!.....but not as bad as your situation.

sorry to make horrible suggestions, but its often someone closer than you think http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif

Taylortony
09-16-2005, 01:56 AM
I feel I should reply to some of these comments..... Guys I have been a Licensed Aircraft Engineer for nearly 30 years and could NEVER do anything to an Aircraft like this, when I was in the Airforce we had to smash a load of Rolls Royce Avons up that were servicable to prevent their use after being sold for scrap... I couldn't even do that......

I've taken the photos down as they are just too distressing for me, I can't see the damage being done by someone that knows what they were doing from an engineering view as all of the damage is mid panel etc and not around critical items like spars where they would only require 2 or 4 blows to create more work than the damage done, as well as cost thousands more. It's more like a vindictive malicious attack against the aircraft and not me, I have literally thousands of pounds of personal tools that were not touched.. several holes in a lower skin have the same effect as one, the skin still needs replacing, the damage to the leading edge also negates removing the lower skins to get at it, so same manhours are required to do both items, skins are relatively cheap, the labour is the crippler, if the spar had been hit, that would of added a heck of a lot more work labour wise.

As for the avionics, it's almost as if they have been stolen to order and a full suite has been removed, or attempted to have been removed, Yes I have all the serial numbers and part numbers and yes this is being circulated as we speak.. they won't be much use to sell as the UK Aviation industry is a pretty small community when it comes to stuff like this, all i could see them going in is the likes of a homebuild, reasons being the serials are being circulated around the avionics shops and if its a certified aircraft you need someone qualified to install them..... It makes me think that the people at did this knew what they were after as they would need the correct tools to remove these radios from their trays and would not know if I had them or not.. As for the damage....... it's touch and go if she will fly again, I would like to see it, but it will be a long haul of many months to see that come to fruition and I will have to ship it out as my workload isn't going to allow me time to do it... One of the jobs I most love is rebuilding them, I have done many an aircraft that have been written off in crashes etc, one i see everyday.....
Trouble was, even on a major airport where this happened, you get areas that can be like a ghost town and in a mainteneace area you hear rivetting and hammering all day and night long, so extra banging would not be out of place, plus you have the noise of cargo aircraft traffic taxying past the hangers all the time at night due to it being a major DHL hub, but the airport has responded and they will have a hard time getting in to do it again and if they do we will have records of them..... nuff said on that.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

asgeirr73
09-16-2005, 02:38 AM
Wow So sorry for you m8 hope it will all work out in the end
these @sswhipes should take parachutelessons whit out a chute http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

Jellousy? you don`t even have to meet the person to make him/her/they jellous anyone jellous don`t need to sell the radios they have
achived what they set out to do
not sell the stuff but bring you down no pun intended

maybe check and think of people that have showed intreset i the ac...denied buyers?

was your ac in better shape than the one beside yours...? (acess, no one would think twice about the noise and so on)

is there alot of competition around there about having the best ac ?

It is personal
the person need knowledge to hurt your ac so completly controlplanes, strutural, instrument and radios and becouse of that it can not be for profit

becouse then they would like to get in and out fast whit out any noise and as they know how to effectivly ruin the airwhortyness of the aircraft then they should have enough knowledge to know that they can not sell the radios

so... personal and perhaps jellousy ?

this is just brainstorming so you get these @ssholes
and no offence intended to you or your friends in the airportcommunity

Airmail109
09-16-2005, 07:55 AM
maybe hippies who hate planes? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

russ.nl
09-16-2005, 12:13 PM
Not to offend anyone but in Holland a lot young Polish and Litouwers are looting stores on description. Just an idea.

SeaNorris
09-16-2005, 12:39 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif I seen the pics (and have them on my PC http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif ) WTF! Who was thinking this **** http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

GreyFox5
09-16-2005, 05:42 PM
Really really sad man. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif
I hope you have a spare plane to keep your hours up! I hope you are able to repair your plane soon and maybe you can attend to some details that you may have been putting off till now.

Good Luck M8!

Fox

SkyChimp
09-16-2005, 07:28 PM
Originally posted by Taylortony:
I feel I should reply to some of these comments..... Guys I have been a Licensed Aircraft Engineer for nearly 30 years and could NEVER do anything to an Aircraft like this, when I was in the Airforce we had to smash a load of Rolls Royce Avons up that were servicable to prevent their use after being sold for scrap... I couldn't even do that......



Taylor, it's not my intent to suggest you had anything to do with this. Only that a claims adjuster is trained to be skeptical and lacking a suspect or motive, they will consider you (or the owner). It's part of any insurance investigation. A plane cost as much as, or more than, a house. So they will take their investigation seriously if they are a good company. I only bring this up to warn you that insult may be added to injury before you are able to recover. Please prepare yourself for a bumpy ride. I hope you don't get a hard time from your insurance company, but I fear you MAY.

GAU-8
09-16-2005, 10:14 PM
i didnt see what i was looking for.

taylor, are you the owner, or is it under your care at the airport?

Taylortony
09-17-2005, 10:35 AM
Originally posted by GAU-8:
i didnt see what i was looking for.

taylor, are you the owner, or is it under your care at the airport?

The Company I work for and maintain the fleet for own it, as the Engineer it is my Aircraft in that respect, no one touches it or does anything with them without my say so. As Chief Engineer and Nominated Engineer its a bit of a funny world, although I work for a company, I have the Authority under the priviledges of my licence to ground any aircraft that I deem unfit, something that the company would not be able to overturn and would be difficult for another Licenced engineer to go against, not that I would unless I felt it was dangerous....... I have always worked on the principal "would I let my mum fly in it and would I fly in it".... I nuture these things like Children in a figurative sense and as such when you see one damaged like this you just feel gutted http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif