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RedToo
12-04-2005, 02:39 PM
Hi All,

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v369/RedToo/galland1.jpg

A recent thread on this board or SimHQ about pilots using binoculars in the PTO reminded me of this pic. It's from the book 'Fighter! Luftwaffe Fighter Planes and Pilots' by Werner Mold. Arms and Armour Press 1979 ISBN 0-85368-133-3. An excellent book, covering the whole war using pictures taken by German war correspondants. I'd heard the story about Galland having a cigar lighter installed in one of his planes but this photo came as a surprise. The text with the photo reads: 'Major Adolf Galland the commanding officer of II./JG 26, with his crew chief Unteroffizier Meyer, who serviced Galland's aircraft throughout the war. Note the unusual telescopic sight fitted to this machine.' The picture is undated but is during the Battle of Britain.

RedToo.

Tooz_69GIAP
12-04-2005, 04:12 PM
Oh man, that's bizarre!

Slechtvalk
12-04-2005, 04:26 PM
So the zoom in (delete)key is realistic afterall... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

MB_Avro_UK
12-04-2005, 04:37 PM
Galland is also wearing a summer 'Nethaube' flying helmet with N & G goggles...very nice as I have both such items in my collection....but not specifically from Galland http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

But that gun sight amazes me...any more info ?

Best Regards,
MB_Avro

wasistda
12-04-2005, 04:48 PM
Hi all

A quote from a book I have

"One minor point of intrest,that was not a telescopic sight projecting through the windscreen, but a straight forward telescope which enabled Galland to identify friend from foe at a greater range....Its that extra edge that makes all the difference.

Paul

danjama
12-04-2005, 05:29 PM
Of course many books are innacurate with their information. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

I think that would just bug me, and get in my way. Imagine gettin thrown forward, that thing would take your out http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

WarWolfe_1
12-04-2005, 05:37 PM
The SBD had a telescopic sight as well. I think the Val has one too, I'm not sure of that though.

berg417448
12-04-2005, 06:32 PM
This site says he used it in a 109F model as well:

http://www.eagle-editions.com/britain.htm

polak5
12-04-2005, 11:12 PM
Originally posted by wasistda:
Hi all

A quote from a book I have

"One minor point of intrest,that was not a telescopic sight projecting through the windscreen, but a straight forward telescope which enabled Galland to identify friend from foe at a greater range....Its that extra edge that makes all the difference.

Paul


This site says he used it in a 109F model as well:

http://www.eagle-editions.com/britain.htm

Thx for sheding light on the subject http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Tully__
12-04-2005, 11:32 PM
Originally posted by Slechtvalk:
So the zoom in (delete)key is realistic afterall... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif
Depending on how far you sit from your monitor, the Zoom view has always been more or less realistic. Zoom view is 30 degrees field of view, your monitor occupies about 30 degrees FOV for a 17-19 inch monitor at recommended viewing distance.

WTE_Ibis
12-04-2005, 11:47 PM
Originally posted by danjama:
Of course many books are innacurate with their information. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

I think that would just bug me, and get in my way. Imagine gettin thrown forward, that thing would take your out http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif
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The scope seems a little above eye line and as far to his right as possible. He spots an aircraft, turns toward it, leans right and upwards and confirms friend or foe.
Every edge counts, smart move.
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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Codex1971
12-05-2005, 05:44 AM
Galland also had a specially fitted BF109-F2 in December 5th 1941 that had 2xMG131 in the nose and 2x20mm MG FF in the wings and also used 100 octane fuel.

nakamura_kenji
12-05-2005, 05:56 AM
guess that f2 you mean or it E model


The SBD had a telescopic sight as well. I think the Val has one too, I'm not sure of that though.

ki-27 ki-43-I and ki-44-I also coman early war japanese plane telescope site

F19_Olli72
12-05-2005, 09:00 AM
Just a movie tip: in Flight Command (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0032477/) theres some pretty neat scenes with Grumman F3F-2's on target practice. Closeups shot in studio of course, but shows the position the pilot had to take to aim with the telescopic sight. Not very practical in a dogfight.

MLudner
12-05-2005, 10:50 AM
Galland abandoned the telescopic sight before the end of the Battle of Britain. He said it seemed like a good idea, but he discovered it was too hard to track a target using it. I found that a little hard to grasp until the F2-A2 sight view was modified by one of the patches ...
Then I got it.

TheGozr
12-05-2005, 12:20 PM
Many pilots had Binoculars....as well

ploughman
12-05-2005, 03:16 PM
Hmmm. Have you ever tried looking at a star through a small telescope? Even the smallest vibration and all you can see is a trembling blur. I can't imagine a telescope fixed into a fighter with a piston engine strapped to the front of it reaping anything other than migraines for the pilot.

Aero_Shodanjo
12-06-2005, 12:41 AM
Originally posted by RedToo:
I'd heard the story about Galland having a cigar lighter installed in one of his planes...

That's a huge cigar http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

hobnail
12-06-2005, 01:16 AM
Originally posted by wasistda:
"One minor point of intrest,that was not a telescopic sight projecting through the windscreen, but a straight forward telescope which enabled Galland to identify friend from foe at a greater range....Its that extra edge that makes all the difference.
Geez, just switch on icons. Far easier.

Feathered_IV
12-06-2005, 01:42 AM
That's a huge cigar


That reminds me, he had a cigar lighter installed in his Emil as well didn't he (from The First and the Last). I wonder where the mini-bar went? Or maybe its just the 190 that has those http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

WTE_Ibis
12-06-2005, 02:04 AM
Well I don't think anyone would have tried to track or dogfight with it you would have to be stupid to do so but for identification I would have thought it would have been handy, but what do I know I wasn't there.


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The-Pizza-Man
12-06-2005, 02:11 AM
I've seen pictures of F-15s with telescopic rifle sights off to the right of the HUD.

Capt.LoneRanger
12-06-2005, 06:33 AM
I'm sorry, but everytime I see a photo of Galland, it reminds me to the movie BladeRunner. You know, especially on this picture, Galland looks extremely similar to the police-pilot in BladeRunner, who picks up HarrisonFord at the beginning of the movie. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

http://www.devo.com/bladerunner/sector/3/pics/deck_gaf_spin.jpeg

gthgrrl4game
12-06-2005, 09:01 AM
Originally posted by Capt.LoneRanger:
I'm sorry, but everytime I see a photo of Galland, it reminds me to the movie BladeRunner. You know, especially on this picture, Galland looks extremely similar to the police-pilot in BladeRunner, who picks up HarrisonFord at the beginning of the movie. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

http://www.devo.com/bladerunner/sector/3/pics/deck_gaf_spin.jpeg
That is my favorite movie of all!!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

BSS_Goat
12-06-2005, 09:03 AM
I could see that thing jammed through my eye socket when I bugger a landing.

Capt.LoneRanger
12-06-2005, 10:18 AM
Great movie, indeed! One of the best ever made. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

WOLFMondo
12-06-2005, 10:20 AM
Originally posted by Aero_Shodanjo:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by RedToo:
I'd heard the story about Galland having a cigar lighter installed in one of his planes...

That's a huge cigar http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thats no sight, thats a telescopic cigar mount. The idea being it holds his cigar in combat (HOTAS etc) and the fumes are sent outside the cockpit.

ploughman
12-06-2005, 10:22 AM
Originally posted by gthgrrl4game:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Capt.LoneRanger:
I'm sorry, but everytime I see a photo of Galland, it reminds me to the movie BladeRunner. You know, especially on this picture, Galland looks extremely similar to the police-pilot in BladeRunner, who picks up HarrisonFord at the beginning of the movie. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

http://www.devo.com/bladerunner/sector/3/pics/deck_gaf_spin.jpeg
That is my favorite movie of all!!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Funnily enough I know the guy who designed the floating cars in Blade Runner.

gthgrrl4game
12-06-2005, 10:32 AM
Originally posted by Ploughman:
Funnily enough I know the guy who designed the floating cars in Blade Runner.

I loved those!
Can you imagine the average commuter in those?
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

fighter_966
12-09-2005, 06:43 AM
Originally posted by Aero_Shodanjo:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by RedToo:
I'd heard the story about Galland having a cigar lighter installed in one of his planes...

That's a huge cigar http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
It was cigarette hoder actually

MLudner
12-09-2005, 11:31 AM
Originally posted by Capt.LoneRanger:
I'm sorry, but everytime I see a photo of Galland, it reminds me to the movie BladeRunner. You know, especially on this picture, Galland looks extremely similar to the police-pilot in BladeRunner, who picks up HarrisonFord at the beginning of the movie. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

http://www.devo.com/bladerunner/sector/3/pics/deck_gaf_spin.jpeg


That would be Edward James Olmos, now playing Commander Adama.

MLudner
12-09-2005, 11:34 AM
Originally posted by WTE_Ibis:
Well I don't think anyone would have tried to track or dogfight with it you would have to be stupid to do so but for identification I would have thought it would have been handy, but what do I know I wasn't there.


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Well, it was - like in the Buffalo - his gunsight. Really, binoculars would work better for long range ID as you don't have to line-up your nose on the subject and can view a larger number of subjects at once.

fighter_966
12-13-2005, 04:15 AM
Originally posted by MLudner:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WTE_Ibis:
Well I don't think anyone would have tried to track or dogfight with it you would have to be stupid to do so but for identification I would have thought it would have been handy, but what do I know I wasn't there.


.


Well, it was - like in the Buffalo - his gunsight. Really, binoculars would work better for long range ID as you don't have to line-up your nose on the subject and can view a larger number of subjects at once. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Actually it is alcometer http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Kurfurst__
12-13-2005, 05:47 AM
This telescopic sight wasn't only Galland's custom plane, you can see the opening for it on many later 109Gs on the armor glass. It was an option I think (curiously not on all), but from what I've seen, it was rarely used because of the nature of the dogfight, everything happening too fast.

Feathered_IV
12-13-2005, 05:55 AM
Hmmm. Galland always rather reminded me of the Leather Man from the Villiage People.


http://www.resourcesforbears.com/NEWS/ARTICLES/V03A0019/biker_hughes.jpg

I don't know which one would be more scary on your six http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

rnzoli
12-13-2005, 08:16 AM
Originally posted by Feathered_IV:
Hmmm. Galland always rather reminded me of the Leather Man from the Villiage People.


http://www.resourcesforbears.com/NEWS/ARTICLES/V03A0019/biker_hughes.jpg

I don't know which one would be more scary on your six http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Man, given this choice, I would have no problem with Galland being on my six... at least I could bail!

SnapdLikeAMutha
12-13-2005, 04:14 PM
Originally posted by Aero_Shodanjo:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by RedToo:
I'd heard the story about Galland having a cigar lighter installed in one of his planes...

That's a huge cigar http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

109 cigar lighter is undermodelled. I have data to prove this - please fix for the next patch http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif