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depalmer
12-18-2004, 11:17 AM
After the 3.02BM patch it seems to me that the Lagg 3's are a bit easier to kill. Does anybody know if in fact the Lagg's got a more advanced DM yet. I bought PF but keep returning to the Eastern Front. Hope Oleg fixes the P-40 damage model bug in the next patch.

depalmer
12-18-2004, 11:17 AM
After the 3.02BM patch it seems to me that the Lagg 3's are a bit easier to kill. Does anybody know if in fact the Lagg's got a more advanced DM yet. I bought PF but keep returning to the Eastern Front. Hope Oleg fixes the P-40 damage model bug in the next patch.

ICDP
12-18-2004, 01:02 PM
The P40's have been beefed up slightly, not by much though. In general most inlines are quite vulnerable to enemy fire, this includes the P51, P40, P38, Spitfire, Ki61 and Bf109. The Fw190D's, Yaks and Laggs seem to have much tougher engines. The Lagg3 seems almot impervious to small caliber Mg's and I feel it still uses the simplified DM.

This is not a whine, I am just presenting the facts as I perceive them form the game.

VW-IceFire
12-19-2004, 02:56 PM
Just flew a Lagg-3. Its a little different than before. It drops like a rock when you let go of the throttle and feels pretty heavy when you fly it.

Its pretty resistant to light MG's. I was only ever shot at with light and heavy mgs upto 15mm so I'm not sure what the rest is like but the light stuff doesn't do much internal damage.

The Lagg was one of the toughest and heaviest of the Russian fighters. I feel that to be fairly well represented. They do spew forth flames now if you hit them pretty hard.

I suggest people do not aim for the dead six on the Lagg...its got alot of thickness there. Aim for the wing, wing root, and engine/cockpit area.

Kwiatos
12-19-2004, 03:41 PM
Lagg 3 still have old DM.

anarchy52
12-19-2004, 05:15 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
I suggest people do not aim for the dead six on the Lagg...its got alot of thickness there. Aim for the wing, wing root, and engine/cockpit area. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

dead 6 where the big radiator thingy is...but it doesn't exist in DM.

JG54_Arnie
12-20-2004, 04:47 AM
When using cannons on it, its going down with beautifull fireworks. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

The fueltanks next to the wingroot are very vulnerable, hit it there with a few rounds or one good deflection shot and its out of the race!

anarchy52
12-20-2004, 05:46 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JG54_Arnie:
When using cannons on it, its going down with beautifull fireworks. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

The fueltanks next to the wingroot are very vulnerable, hit it there with a few rounds or one good deflection shot and its out of the race! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

On the other hand a dozen rifle cal. rounds in the engine won't do a thing...

Vipez-
12-29-2004, 11:11 AM
like someone said, lagg-3 still has old simple dm from old IL-2 (which bothers me is, that when oleg brought us series 29 and 35 with AEP, he still did not fix it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif ) Atleast i would appreciate if Lagg3 would loose controls when damaged, like every other plane in the game..

Lagg3 tail had a heavy armour. Lagg3 was not agile in dogfight, infact it was a flying brick compared to other contemporary soviet fighters, it bleeded energy very fast on turns (both of these are not modelled in the sim).. It's weakness was offcourse the engine and the radiator below the aircraft (not modelled in the game)..


so if you ask me, FM and DM are both from old IL-2. And are unlikely to be fixxed ever.. though i have to confess it was even more of a beast when FB came out, it turned like I-16 back then (heh those were hard times for OKL in VEF-2.. really hard) http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif guess we have to accept the fact, it is only a simulation http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

clint-ruin
12-29-2004, 11:17 AM
One of the readmes around 2.04 to 303 stated that the Yaks, Pe2 and Lagg3 had had their DM changed. But Oleg has also said that they are no longer giving Il2FBAEPPF planes -as complex- a DM as they were once able to spend time making, FW190 being one example of one that has been changed to be maybe better than it was, but still not as complex as some of the best.

As far as I know the Il2 is still the only aircraft with a unique hittable radiator DM element under the plane.

p1ngu666
12-29-2004, 11:22 AM
ya the oil cooler, we cant damage oil coolers but not water/glycol ones i think.

JG5_UnKle
12-29-2004, 03:11 PM
Wing root - flames them or breaks the wing every time

VW-IceFire
12-29-2004, 03:13 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by anarchy52:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
I suggest people do not aim for the dead six on the Lagg...its got alot of thickness there. Aim for the wing, wing root, and engine/cockpit area. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

dead 6 where the big radiator thingy is...but it doesn't exist in DM. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yep...the only radiator thats modeled is on the IL-2 (to my knowledge anyway).

WUAF_Badsight
12-29-2004, 03:18 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Kwiatos:
Lagg 3 still have old DM. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
VVS A/C are better than they have ever been

especially the LaGG & Yak models

they perform more closly to RL accounts than they ever have

LaGG are not as strong as they used to be , they have become "heavier" in the air

Yaks perform very poorly up higher & are no longer as strong as they used to be in FB v1.x

people complaining with the same arguments about the VVS A/C (La-7 excluded) dont have a leg to stand on anymore

faustnik
12-29-2004, 03:22 PM
The 109 sure has a great damage model. Lots of different bad things seem to happen to them when you shoot at them. You can really see the damage which adds to the immersion for me. Using the .50 wing guns on the US fighters makes seeing the damage that much easier. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

crazyivan1970
12-29-2004, 03:42 PM
The IL-2s have best damage model IMO, visual and physical representation, others fall far behind IMO. Visual is a work of art IMO http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

That`s why i am really excited about course that O.M. took with BOB, less planes, but maximum detail, in all areas

GR142-Pipper
12-30-2004, 12:17 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
Just flew a Lagg-3. Its a little different than before. It drops like a rock when you let go of the throttle and feels pretty heavy when you fly it. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Agreed. The aircraft seems to have lost some of its roll rate as well. Definitely not as snappy all-around as before. Too bad as it was a fun plane to fly...one of my favorites.

GR142-Pipper

clint-ruin
12-30-2004, 12:24 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by crazyivan1970:
The IL-2s have best damage model IMO, visual and physical representation, others fall far behind IMO. Visual is a work of art IMO http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

That`s why i am really excited about course that O.M. took with BOB, less planes, but maximum detail, in all areas <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Definitely agreed there. You can tell the difference between wooden and metal surface damage very clearly, the frame starts to buckle and get torn apart, you can see your ammo belts through the wings, and every single section seems to have a minimum of 3 different damage stages when they're hit [times about what, 20 parts?]. Similar detail levels with a higher polycount is going to look amazing in the next sim.

Vipez-
12-30-2004, 02:43 PM
Agree, Il-2 has the most complex DM in the game.. perhaps, because original game was designed for flying the IL-2s only http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif so 1C really put most effort in making detailed IL-2s http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

BF-109 has a good second place on complex dm imho