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AskThePizzaGuy
09-06-2008, 07:31 AM
I've always been wondering about the ending and storyline of AC in general and what it's really implying so far. I've heard theories stating that the Templars are basically atheists who are trying to "build a better tomorrow." I've managed to listen to the character dialogues real carefully, and from what I hear, they sound like communists in the end.

Religion will most likely be brought up in this thread, just a heads up.

Oh and, thank you in advance.

the_assassin_07
09-06-2008, 02:07 PM
Just ask the pizza guy.

...Seriously this thread is most likely going to turn into a religion war http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Vendetta11
09-06-2008, 02:17 PM
communists


****SPOILERS*****

Communists? Athiests? Exuse me? You didn't get that message from Fox News did you?

That is not the message that was trying to be sent. Religious/political beliefs were really not a huge factor of the stoy. It played a very small role, but in the end, was how to achive peace, and how far are some willing to go.

IMO, the Templars of present day are making a grab at power. They spin their story of how they want peace, but let's get real about them, they only care about power. Now, the Templars during of Altair's period (not all, but some) seemed to be much more serious in their hunt for peace, but with the piece of eden, it robs people's freewill in order to do so.

Is that right to do to another human being for the sake of "peace"? If someone were to ask you if you wanted peace, and you replied "yes". and that same person then asked if there was only this one way to do it, would you be willing to go that far, what would you say? It's tempting to say yes isn't it?


Then you have the other paradox of the assassins of the story. They want peace, but murder people to achive their goal. It's a bit hypocritical of them to say they want peace, but in order to do so, they kill key players in the holy land. Murder to save lives? Sometimes it has to happen (Hitler was an example of that), but it doesn't always work out that way.

And then you have Almuallim. Clearly his motives were purely out of greed and power.

What's fantastic about this story is how the writers blurred the lines between good and evil. Because in real life, just about evry issue out there is NOT black and white. Rather just a huge void of grey.

My answer to your question isn't so much on what the Templars are trying to achive (because it's pretty obvious), but rather a follow-up question-

How far are you willing to go in order to achive peace?

alteremagam
09-06-2008, 02:56 PM
I really didn't like the ending of assassin's creed because he's talking about that wine to water and all the other miracles awe're done by a magical ball.Now that hurt my religion i am christian.But so what it was just a game.

AskThePizzaGuy
09-06-2008, 03:27 PM
Originally posted by Vendetta11:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">communists


****SPOILERS*****

Communists? Athiests? Exuse me? You didn't get that message from Fox News did you?

That is not the message that was trying to be sent. Religious/political beliefs were really not a huge factor of the stoy. It played a very small role, but in the end, was how to achive peace, and how far are some willing to go.

IMO, the Templars of present day are making a grab at power. They spin their story of how they want peace, but let's get real about them, they only care about power. Now, the Templars during of Altair's period (not all, but some) seemed to be much more serious in their hunt for peace, but with the piece of eden, it robs people's freewill in order to do so.

Is that right to do to another human being for the sake of "peace"? If someone were to ask you if you wanted peace, and you replied "yes". and that same person then asked if there was only this one way to do it, would you be willing to go that far, what would you say? It's tempting to say yes isn't it?


Then you have the other paradox of the assassins of the story. They want peace, but murder people to achive their goal. It's a bit hypocritical of them to say they want peace, but in order to do so, they kill key players in the holy land. Murder to save lives? Sometimes it has to happen (Hitler was an example of that), but it doesn't always work out that way.

And then you have Almuallim. Clearly his motives were purely out of greed and power.

What's fantastic about this story is how the writers blurred the lines between good and evil. Because in real life, just about evry issue out there is NOT black and white. Rather just a huge void of grey.

My answer to your question isn't so much on what the Templars are trying to achive (because it's pretty obvious), but rather a follow-up question-

How far are you willing to go in order to achive peace? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Well said, but are you doubting that some of the characters sound like atheists/communists? Many of them (namely the Hospitaller knight) clearly wanted free will out of the way. To brainwash everyone and make them "equal", basically what I'm saying is, this is very similar to communism, but on steroids. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif
Al Mualim obviously implies that there is no divine being when he finally displayed his lust for power. In fact, it's as if he almost thought himself to be one.

I agree, this isn't a "black and white" situation but don't you see the irony? The Assassins murder thousands everyday to ensure peace while the templars already know what they're dealing with and what they must do about it.

Vendetta11
09-06-2008, 04:42 PM
Originally posted by AskThePizzaGuy:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Vendetta11:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">communists


****SPOILERS*****

Communists? Athiests? Exuse me? You didn't get that message from Fox News did you?

That is not the message that was trying to be sent. Religious/political beliefs were really not a huge factor of the stoy. It played a very small role, but in the end, was how to achive peace, and how far are some willing to go.

IMO, the Templars of present day are making a grab at power. They spin their story of how they want peace, but let's get real about them, they only care about power. Now, the Templars during of Altair's period (not all, but some) seemed to be much more serious in their hunt for peace, but with the piece of eden, it robs people's freewill in order to do so.

Is that right to do to another human being for the sake of "peace"? If someone were to ask you if you wanted peace, and you replied "yes". and that same person then asked if there was only this one way to do it, would you be willing to go that far, what would you say? It's tempting to say yes isn't it?


Then you have the other paradox of the assassins of the story. They want peace, but murder people to achive their goal. It's a bit hypocritical of them to say they want peace, but in order to do so, they kill key players in the holy land. Murder to save lives? Sometimes it has to happen (Hitler was an example of that), but it doesn't always work out that way.

And then you have Almuallim. Clearly his motives were purely out of greed and power.

What's fantastic about this story is how the writers blurred the lines between good and evil. Because in real life, just about evry issue out there is NOT black and white. Rather just a huge void of grey.

My answer to your question isn't so much on what the Templars are trying to achive (because it's pretty obvious), but rather a follow-up question-

How far are you willing to go in order to achive peace? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Well said, but are you doubting that some of the characters sound like atheists/communists? Many of them (namely the Hospitaller knight) clearly wanted free will out of the way. To brainwash everyone and make them "equal", basically what I'm saying is, this is very similar to communism, but on steroids. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif
Al Mualim obviously implies that there is no divine being when he finally displayed his lust for power. In fact, it's as if he almost thought himself to be one.

I agree, this isn't a "black and white" situation but don't you see the irony? The Assassins murder thousands everyday to ensure peace while the templars already know what they're dealing with and what they must do about it. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I still don't buy into your communism bit. At all. I really don't know where you are getting that impression from. Seriously, if I were to brainwash you, I am not making you an equal, I am making you my slave. So you really need to drop the communism part out, it has nothing to do about the issue at hand. Again, it's about control and power.

I do agree that some sounded like they didn't believe in god. Hell, even Altair at the end looks like he lost his faith in god, but still fought to protect those who still believe in religon, because he believes that no one should ever be enslaved in the name of peace.

Look at it this way-

Templars goals is peace by dommination, power and control.

Assassins goal is peace through murder and war.

Either way, it's pandora's box.

AskThePizzaGuy
09-06-2008, 08:13 PM
One of the templars made it clear before his death that their order was also aiming for equality, they wanted to erase the line that divides the rich and the poor and force everyone to be equal.

a political theory advocating a society in which all property is publicly owned and each person is paid and works according to his or her needs and abilities.

I'm not saying it is communism, but very similar to it. The templars, both former Muslims and Christians, abandoned their beliefs for another cause, just as how you are forced to abandon your beliefs in a communist state.

The thing is, the templars actually see themselves as the good guys here, including Al Mualim, all of their deaths clarified their goals, beliefs, and even tried to justify their own evil deeds.

alteremagam
09-06-2008, 08:58 PM
I am gonna end this i do agree with vendetta 11 brainwashing is not making you equal.It's letting the templars put there religion into you.<span class="ev_code_RED">GOD</span>didn't put us on this earth to be slaves.I was tough that god let's us make our own decision if people choose not to obey his laws and be friednly you know where you go.That's the thing im trying to say GOD let's us choose are though's and actions.The templars where trying to brainwash people which is different.

1.And i also know that templar religion is wrong because they want to take your mind and teach you what they want to.

2.Assassin's religion is wrong to they will force you to believe in there religion by power and force so if you don't follow them that explains the kills you make.But also al muah lim wanted them dead because they know of the ball.

3.Bottom line im not saying that assassin's,Templars religion is wrong that's just my though because of how they we're portrayed in the game the opeing of assassin's creed says all things you see in the game are based on true religion.

Sincerly,Alteremagam
I hope this helps.

AskThePizzaGuy
09-06-2008, 09:10 PM
The templars have no religion. I have no idea where you're getting at but this is a little irrelevant to the argument. Actually, I and everyone who follows the same religion are slaves of god, like I said, please be careful about how you use words like God and religion.

Brainwash people, you're saying that no country in the present is trying their best to do exactly that?

alteremagam
09-06-2008, 09:14 PM
Pizza guy i am careful and you misunderstood me.No one is slaves of GOD,God let's us make our own decisions.Please don't twist my words around it really isn't cool.And like i said i follow the bellief of jesus and God.That's my religion and im proud to be christian.

caswallawn_2k7
09-06-2008, 09:15 PM
they do have a religon knights templar. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knights_templar) http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

AskThePizzaGuy
09-06-2008, 09:20 PM
Uhh...how did I twist your words? I understand you perfectly, but you can't just assume that everyone is Christian can you? You're right about the freedom of decision thing, but still, I am a Muslim and I am a slave of god. What the templars are trying to do are erase these memories of monotheism and burn any ideas of religion.

Caswallawn, I'm sure you realize that I meant the fictional templar order in the game and not the crusaders.

BTOG46
09-06-2008, 09:22 PM
Originally posted by alteremagam:
Pizza guy i am careful and you misunderstood me.No one is slaves of GOD,God let's us make our own decisions.Please don't twist my words around it really isn't cool.And like i said i follow the bellief of jesus and God.That's my religion and im proud to be christian.

alter, what makes you assume PizzaGuy is a Christian? he said in his religion, it might pay to do a little research on other faiths. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Edit:
beaten to the reply, I really should improve my typing speed http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/typing.gif

caswallawn_2k7
09-06-2008, 09:22 PM
so in other words you just want to argue be cause you belive that the game is making fun of your religon and you arnt actualy trying to make any point other than the fact you want to call the other religons?

AskThePizzaGuy
09-06-2008, 09:25 PM
No, I'm perfectly fine and satisfied by the game's amazing storyline, I'm arguing over the details that were never mentioned in the game, but rather parts of the cause that you have to realize yourself throughout the game.

Caswallawn, this thread isn't a religion fan club, it's a debating thread.

alteremagam
09-06-2008, 09:26 PM
OH! my bad pizza guy i didn't assume you we're christian and now that you have cleared that up yes.The fact is i don't want to cause harm because i do respect my religion and i also respect your religion and others.So sorry if you misunderstood me in anyway just wanted to clear that up.And im sorry now that i know your religion i understood by you meaning that you are a slave of god.

Vendetta11
09-07-2008, 11:23 AM
My note to everyone-

Let us all be very careful on what we say to each other. These types of discussions can get very heated and hurtful to others. I have seen many a threads where things turn ugly fast.

Please use your best judgement.

ScytheOfGrim
09-07-2008, 11:28 AM
Originally posted by alteremagam:
I am gonna end this i do agree with vendetta 11 brainwashing is not making you equal.It's letting the templars put there religion into you.<span class="ev_code_RED">GOD</span>didn't put us on this earth to be slaves.I was tough that god let's us make our own decision if people choose not to obey his laws and be friednly you know where you go.That's the thing im trying to say GOD let's us choose are though's and actions.The templars where trying to brainwash people which is different.

1.And i also know that templar religion is wrong because they want to take your mind and teach you what they want to.

2.Assassin's religion is wrong to they will force you to believe in there religion by power and force so if you don't follow them that explains the kills you make.But also al muah lim wanted them dead because they know of the ball.

3.Bottom line im not saying that assassin's,Templars religion is wrong that's just my though because of how they we're portrayed in the game the opeing of assassin's creed says all things you see in the game are based on true religion.

Sincerly,Alteremagam
I hope this helps.

He's not trying to convert you. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif
He's drawing an analogy, that's all. >_>

I am so not getting into this...

alteremagam
09-07-2008, 11:46 AM
I've learned my lesson this kinda post suck you in.AS assassin said this thread will turn into a religion war.

Im not posting on these kinda threads ever.

Marek86
09-07-2008, 12:36 PM
I wouldn't say PizzaGuy is completely wrong by saying the templars were communist, and Vendetta for saying the templars are trying to enslave the people. What I beleive is that PizzaGuy is referring to a transitional stage, socialism. It would make plenties of sense too. The holy land was undeveloped and the templars sought peace. Now since the Templars may have wanted to basically brainwash the people, and enslave them, taht would lead me to assume they completely skip communism and go for capatilism/corporatism.

AskThePizzaGuy
09-07-2008, 05:48 PM
That's a fair way of putting it, Marek.

Why are you guys so afraid of these kind of threads? The mods are watching and it's going well so far, plus, this is probably one of the most knowledgeable threads here.

BTOG46
09-07-2008, 05:55 PM
They're probably a bit wary in case it's just one of the usual attempts to troll the forum and bash the game, you wouldn't believe how many of those we've had.
Also, serious debates tend to be rare in this particular forum, a lot of the members may be unsure how to react to them.

Vendetta11
09-07-2008, 06:08 PM
DP..... WOOPS!

Vendetta11
09-07-2008, 06:22 PM
Originally posted by Marek86:
I wouldn't say PizzaGuy is completely wrong by saying the templars were communist, and Vendetta for saying the templars are trying to enslave the people. What I beleive is that PizzaGuy is referring to a transitional stage, socialism. It would make plenties of sense too. The holy land was undeveloped and the templars sought peace. Now since the Templars may have wanted to basically brainwash the people, and enslave them, taht would lead me to assume they completely skip communism and go for capatilism/corporatism.

People seem to forget that the Templars WERE early capatalists. The invented the modern banking system, they WERE in it for money on top of reclaiming the Holy land.

http://www.history.com/encyclopedia.do?articleId=213966

http://www.knightstemplar-uk.co.uk/Knights-Templar-History/106/History.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knights_Templar

http://www.templarhistory.com/

@ Pizza Guy
I love history, please do more research before making silly claims of communist intentions.

Don't get me wrong, I am not for communism what so ever, but people like to throw around the word to associate it with evil people or evil deeds.



Like I said before, I dislike these kinds of threads because people start shooting their mouth off on subjects that they have no clue what they are talking about. Now I am not saying you are shooting your mouth off, but I am just waiting for that first crack pot crazy to come here to stir the pot.

AskThePizzaGuy
09-07-2008, 09:39 PM
We're just having a civilized discussion.

I didn't get to go through your sources, I'll reply once I get back.

Vendetta, I am aware of the original knights templar, but their original cause is much different than the game. I mean they were never seeking a powerful artifact/treasure during the crusades were they? Also, where does it say anything about capitalism? Seriously, I don't really need a history lesson right now because I believe I already know enough about them to determine which government they adopted.

Like I said, I'll give you a better reply once I get back.

Vendetta11
09-07-2008, 10:02 PM
Originally posted by AskThePizzaGuy:
We're just having a civilized discussion.

I didn't get to go through your sources, I'll reply once I get back.

Vendetta, I am aware of the original knights templar, but their original cause is much different than the game. I mean they were never seeking a powerful artifact/treasure during the crusades were they?

Like I said, I'll give you a better reply once I get back.

You are correct that we are having a civilized discussion, but what I am saying is that I am waiting for someone else to swoop in and troll up the place.

And I must acknowlegdge that I took the conversation in a different direction. The links I posted are on the Templar history. So I apologize for that.

But to get back on track and to talk about the fictonal Templars in the game, I still contend that the sole purpose of them trying to obtain the piece of eden is to take control of the land. Not to make everyone equal, but for them to be in power. Nothing more, nothing less.

caswallawn_2k7
09-07-2008, 11:25 PM
also they are always gaurding chests that leads you to belive they have tresure

AskThePizzaGuy
09-08-2008, 03:51 AM
But to get back on track and to talk about the fictonal Templars in the game, I still contend that the sole purpose of them trying to obtain the piece of eden is to take control of the land. Not to make everyone equal, but for them to be in power. Nothing more, nothing less.
I agree, they do want to seize power. However, if you listen to some of the death scenes (maybe you should try youtube), they defend their cause by bringing up equality of the people, I'm not doubting that they are power-hungry, but I don't think any cause is outright pure evil.
As Machiavelli once said, "if the end justifies the means," I think this philosophy plays a big part of the templar cause. They'd kill thousands of people to ensure the safety of humanity.

Vendetta11
09-08-2008, 08:40 AM
Originally posted by AskThePizzaGuy:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">But to get back on track and to talk about the fictonal Templars in the game, I still contend that the sole purpose of them trying to obtain the piece of eden is to take control of the land. Not to make everyone equal, but for them to be in power. Nothing more, nothing less.
I agree, they do want to seize power. However, if you listen to some of the death scenes (maybe you should try youtube), they defend their cause by bringing up equality of the people, I'm not doubting that they are power-hungry, but I don't think any cause is outright pure evil.
As Machiavelli once said, "if the end justifies the means," I think this philosophy plays a big part of the templar cause. They'd kill thousands of people to ensure the safety of humanity. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

When I think of the ending implication, I think of the current day Templars.

Keep in mind the conversation between Desmond and Dr. Vidic. The doctor tells Desmond how Abstergo has invented just about everything. Here is a link-

http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/Abstergo_Industries


Vidic claims that Abstergo is responsible for every scientific accomplishment for the last 1000 years, saying Abstergo chooses who gets credit for the accomplishments very carefully. Later Desmond figures out that Abstergo is the modern-day embodiment of the Knights Templar.

From the sounds of that, the Templars want power and control over everything. It also implies and extreme pure greed mindset. Think about it, what major corporation wouldn't want a monopoly on everything.

Like what one of the previous posters said, the Templars would skip communist equality and go straight to power hungry capitalism.

AskThePizzaGuy
09-08-2008, 10:36 AM
I don't remember the conversation, but thanks, that tells me a lot more about the story. Anyway, I suppose it's different, but I still believe that some aspects of their cause are similar to the mentioned forms of government. But you did prove your point.

But you can't argue that they're different than scientologists....

Just kidding. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Vendetta11
09-08-2008, 10:46 AM
Originally posted by AskThePizzaGuy:
I don't remember the conversation, but thanks, that tells me a lot more about the story. Anyway, I suppose it's different, but I still believe that some aspects of their cause are similar to the mentioned forms of government. But you did prove your point.

But you can't argue that they're different than scientologists....

Just kidding. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

LOL! Gotcha in a box. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

And yes, scientologists are, um, not my cup of tea.......

zgubilici
09-08-2008, 11:03 AM
Communism equality has only been valid as a theory - which is a very good theory, but unfortunately as any theory or model, it is a mere abstract version of the reality, that works in certain conditions. In practice the story has been quite different. 'Equality' has only been achieved through control, but that doesn't mean the initial intentions were evil, or that people were "brainwashed" (quite the contrary, they were acutely aware of the implications of everything).
As Vendetta said, the stereotypes that surround communism make it being perceived in a very superficial and absolute way.

And actually, it's good that those Templar history links were provided, even if the real cause is different than the one in the game.
After all - as it was stated earlier - this is a discussion on system of governments and their real implications. I don't see why providing accurate Knights Templar history should represent a veer off the subject.

(Continuing with the Scientology discussion however, is http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif).

Carry on http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif But with the provision that discussions are kept civilized, in the manner that they haven been carried on up to now.

Thanks http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Vendetta11
09-08-2008, 11:13 AM
I am glad that this discussion has been kept civil. As I explained before, the message board I migrated from was filled with hateful, crackpot garbage. I can supply links to "discussions" (I am sure the mods would kill me though if I did) that are nothing but ****ing matches between people whe do not see the other side of the argument whatsoever. It always resorts to name calling among other things.

I was very wary of this discussion getting hijacked by a troll or two.....

the_assassin_07
09-08-2008, 11:15 AM
I'm actually surprised someone hasn't broken out into a swear-fuelled outburst which leads to a flame war yet -_-

Anyway, sorry for being off topic >_>

Marek86
09-08-2008, 06:01 PM
Originally posted by Vendetta11:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Marek86:
I wouldn't say PizzaGuy is completely wrong by saying the templars were communist, and Vendetta for saying the templars are trying to enslave the people. What I beleive is that PizzaGuy is referring to a transitional stage, socialism. It would make plenties of sense too. The holy land was undeveloped and the templars sought peace. Now since the Templars may have wanted to basically brainwash the people, and enslave them, taht would lead me to assume they completely skip communism and go for capatilism/corporatism.

People seem to forget that the Templars WERE early capatalists. The invented the modern banking system, they WERE in it for money on top of reclaiming the Holy land.

http://www.history.com/encyclopedia.do?articleId=213966

http://www.knightstemplar-uk.co.uk/Knights-Templar-History/106/History.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knights_Templar

http://www.templarhistory.com/

@ Pizza Guy
I love history, please do more research before making silly claims of communist intentions.

Don't get me wrong, I am not for communism what so ever, but people like to throw around the word to associate it with evil people or evil deeds.



Like I said before, I dislike these kinds of threads because people start shooting their mouth off on subjects that they have no clue what they are talking about. Now I am not saying you are shooting your mouth off, but I am just waiting for that first crack pot crazy to come here to stir the pot. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

So you're agreeing with me?

alteremagam
09-08-2008, 06:02 PM
This thread is going good.

Vendetta11
09-08-2008, 06:28 PM
Originally posted by Marek86:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Vendetta11:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Marek86:
I wouldn't say PizzaGuy is completely wrong by saying the templars were communist, and Vendetta for saying the templars are trying to enslave the people. What I beleive is that PizzaGuy is referring to a transitional stage, socialism. It would make plenties of sense too. The holy land was undeveloped and the templars sought peace. Now since the Templars may have wanted to basically brainwash the people, and enslave them, taht would lead me to assume they completely skip communism and go for capatilism/corporatism.

People seem to forget that the Templars WERE early capatalists. The invented the modern banking system, they WERE in it for money on top of reclaiming the Holy land.

http://www.history.com/encyclopedia.do?articleId=213966

http://www.knightstemplar-uk.co.uk/Knights-Templar-History/106/History.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knights_Templar

http://www.templarhistory.com/

@ Pizza Guy
I love history, please do more research before making silly claims of communist intentions.

Don't get me wrong, I am not for communism what so ever, but people like to throw around the word to associate it with evil people or evil deeds.



Like I said before, I dislike these kinds of threads because people start shooting their mouth off on subjects that they have no clue what they are talking about. Now I am not saying you are shooting your mouth off, but I am just waiting for that first crack pot crazy to come here to stir the pot. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

So you're agreeing with me? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That would be correct sir. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

caswallawn_2k7
09-09-2008, 12:59 AM
Originally posted by the_assassin_07:
I'm actually surprised someone hasn't broken out into a swear-fuelled outburst which leads to a flame war yet -_-

Anyway, sorry for being off topic >_>
why are you suprised? I thought that was your department anyway http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Vendetta11
09-09-2008, 12:42 PM
Originally posted by caswallawn_2k7:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by the_assassin_07:
I'm actually surprised someone hasn't broken out into a swear-fuelled outburst which leads to a flame war yet -_-

Anyway, sorry for being off topic >_>
why are you suprised? I thought that was your department anyway http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I take it Assassin 07 likes to stir the pot????

Grandmaster_Z
10-22-2009, 12:53 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Templar_Revelation

com199
10-22-2009, 01:16 PM
You guys do realize the entire assassin thing is based on an old Muslim story, right? In the story, an "old man" brought people to his fortress in the mountains, and then knocked them out. When they woke up, they were no longer in the fortress, they were in a beautiful garden, with beautiful women... Paradise. The old man would then enter and tell them that if they wanted to stay in paradise, they must kill the people he said. So the most ruthless assassins were born, because they though they had already died, they had nothing to fear. Almualim is the old man who "kills" Altair near the beginning of the game, and if you go in the the garden out back, you will see lots of women and stuff. This is ironic because in one of his monologues, he accuses the Templars of making themselves look like "gods, overflowing with women and pleasures."

joshua200830
10-22-2009, 01:36 PM
im pretty sure that AC and AC2 are just video games and nothin to get over excited about. so just chill out and enjoy the GAME

com199
10-22-2009, 01:38 PM
Originally posted by joshua200830:
im pretty sure that AC and AC2 are just video games and nothin to get over excited about. so just chill out and enjoy the GAME
If your talking about me I was just telling you were they got the idea =)

Realjambo
10-22-2009, 01:43 PM
Thank you for sharing, com199 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

zorak112
10-22-2009, 02:27 PM
zombified thread :O

godsmack_darius
10-22-2009, 09:49 PM
Im guessing some people think this game is biased on certain religions, That was just simply the way things were back then,