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VBF-83_Hawk
01-19-2005, 10:35 AM
Yes,

Here is an email to me from an F4U-1D Essex pilot.

My question to him was "...did you ever get shot off the Essex with a cat?

His answer.....
".....never counted them, but probably over a hundred cat shots.
Unlike the "soft shot" steam cats of today, they were hydraulic and a real kick in the a$$ when they fired you off. Sixty feet in the blink of
an eye & flying speed by the end of the flight deck"



Dates sometime between January and August 45'

This is not to dispute/praise anything in Pacific Fighters, but only to help answer the question I now can not find.

VBF-83_Hawk
01-19-2005, 10:35 AM
Yes,

Here is an email to me from an F4U-1D Essex pilot.

My question to him was "...did you ever get shot off the Essex with a cat?

His answer.....
".....never counted them, but probably over a hundred cat shots.
Unlike the "soft shot" steam cats of today, they were hydraulic and a real kick in the a$$ when they fired you off. Sixty feet in the blink of
an eye & flying speed by the end of the flight deck"



Dates sometime between January and August 45'

This is not to dispute/praise anything in Pacific Fighters, but only to help answer the question I now can not find.

Von_Zero
01-19-2005, 10:57 AM
Nice, just imagine sitting nice in your cockpit and suddenly be thrown away with your engine on full power, like a screaming devil http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

Blackdog5555
01-19-2005, 11:01 AM
The Developer knows that CVE "Jeep" carriers all had Cats and the Essex class had tm instaled late in the war. Retrofitted and all. but Modeling them in this sim, i heard, is to difficult (most likely too expensive). It was done well in Janes F/A 18. It would be cool to have 5-8 animated deck crew hook each plane to a cat. But just imagine a 16 plane mission. each plane taking just a minute to get hooked up and launched. You would have to wait (circle the carrier or wait on deck) 16 minutes to start each mission. It would still be fun to have one as an option.

horseback
01-19-2005, 01:47 PM
Catapults were used by US carriers very little overall during the war; the aircraft were spotted on the deck in order of their need for deck space to take off with their payload. Usually, this worked out to fighters taking off first, then SBDs, then TBFs.

The Corsair driver taking a lot of 'cat shots during the late war period speaks more to the need in '45 to get multiple fighters (there was more than one cat per carrier; I've seen photos of fighters being launched from the hanger deck - rather than the flight deck - perpendicular to the ship's course) in the air right away to intercept kamikazes.

Catapults were not needed to get even heavily loaded aircraft off as long as they could make a decent 'wind' across the deck. As anyone who has spent any meaningful time at sea on a warship can tell you, there is almost always a brisk wind at sea, even when the ship is dead still in the water.

cheers

horseback

AlmightyTallest
01-19-2005, 01:49 PM
Hawk, thanks for that info. I was looking forward to hearing from the Corsair Veteran. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Is there any chance you can you ask him what his heaviest loadout was? And how he got off the deck with it?

Heck, I'm curious to hear about all of the various loadouts he took into battle, let alone to hear of his experiences in the Pacific.

VF51_Flatspin
01-19-2005, 02:55 PM
I wonder how many frames it would take on my rig to catapult off. I imagine it would look something like a nasty little screen freeze...one sec on the deck, the next off in the wild blue!

Sounds like a blast - literally!

MrOblongo
01-19-2005, 03:45 PM
If u look at the models of the carriers we actually have the mdoel includes the hydraulic catapults used from 1943. Ill post pics when i find them (of the real catapults).

http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/NARG/images/hellcat9.jpg

In this pic u can see how the plane is hooked? (Is that the word?). Look the wires near the droptank. Maybe someone can tell what date is this picture looking at the cammo of the hellcat?.

http://www.compass.dircon.co.uk/Hancock.JPG

Thats the Hancock look it have catapults installed. (Those looks like catapults)

MrOblongo
01-19-2005, 03:56 PM
http://www.angelfire.com/fm/odyssey/Essex.jpg

Any doubts now??

WTE_Dukayn
01-19-2005, 04:06 PM
From Guadalcanal: Starvation Island

"August 20, 1942. A Thursday, about noon.
Escort carrier Long Island, a strange flat ship with no superstructure, turned into the southeast trade wind, black smoke pouring from her horizontal starboard funnels, and catapulted a dark blue Douglass Dauntless SBD-3 dive-bomber out over the waves."

and

"The force of the catapult caused the young pilot to pull back on his joystick, so the nose of the aircraft pulled smartly up. Hise (the pilot) reacted by jamming the joystick in his right hand forward, then had to fight to keep the Dauntless out of the water."

AlmightyTallest
01-19-2005, 08:33 PM
It's a great thing, these sims that Oleg creates for us.

Because for some it causes us to look deeper into history and to see what things were like. For example, alot of people I think didn't believe that U.S. carriers had catapults during WW2. Well, now we know. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

VF-17_DWolf
01-23-2005, 08:16 AM
My Father was on the USS Bunker Hill (CV-17), He was a Plank owner. Reported aboard about 3 months before it was finished and fully commisioned. The Bunker Hill as most of you was a short hull Essex class carrier. It started out with 1 Cat on the port bow, and another in the hanger deck, could launch planes to the port(left) or starboard(right). The Ship never used this port and starboard feature in combat. It was taken out and Two 40mm Quad mounts were put on the port side, on a sponson that hung over the side. You can see one on that picture of the Hancock I believe.

The Bunker Hill recieved another cat around early 1944, if I remember right, and also in late 1944 recieved 3 squadrons of F4U Corsairs
75 or 77 in all plus spares. they used JATO rockets to help Corsairs get off the deck,(just rockets no cat) with a 4000 LB. bomb load full fuel. and 8 5" rockets. some one put a picture of a Corsair getting launched off of the Bunker Hill(Bunker Hill Corsair's had a arrow pointing up on tail.)with rockets and loaded to the gills.

As for date of the picture of the Hellcat on the cat, I would say late 1944 early 1945. I had a book with all the codes of the symbols and what Carrier they belonged to, and dates but had to get rid of them when I moved... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

DesertWolf aka...VF-17_DWolf online

horseback
01-23-2005, 01:13 PM
That's an F6F-5 Hellcat off the USS BENNINGTON, in August 1945, according to Barrett Tillman's Hellcat Aces of World War 2, Vol. 10 of the Osprey Aircraft of the Aces series. The Hellcat retains the 'Christmas Tree' of the G symbol series instead of the 'TT' assigned to BENNINGTON in July that year.

cheers

horseback

VF-17_DWolf
01-23-2005, 04:27 PM
That's the book I had to get rid of...LOL
The cat was on the starboard bow on the Bunker Hill not the Port as I said earlier.

Does anyone have that shot of a Corsair taking off of the Bunker Hill, with JATO(may have been called RATO) rockets? I've seen it somewhere on this site.