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rockgardenlove
08-14-2005, 06:42 PM
Could somebody please give me a relatively unbiased combarison between il2 and cfs3 please? I dunno what to buy...
Thanks alot!

Chivas
08-14-2005, 06:46 PM
I have both sims. There is no comparison in the feel of airial combat. Do yourself a favor and get the FB/AEP/PF series. Check out the CFS3 forums and you will find them very dead. That should tell you something.

SkyChimp
08-14-2005, 06:48 PM
CFS3 sucks. IL2 doesn't suck. 'Nuff said.

jensenpark
08-14-2005, 06:58 PM
You know, for just this once I have to disagree with you Chimp.

CFS3 doesn't suck. It REALLY REALLY sucks.

BlakJakOfSpades
08-14-2005, 07:02 PM
wrong place for an unbiased opinion, i too think cfs3 sucks and though it has its strong points they can not overcome its suckiness, il-2 is where it's at

Bearcat99
08-14-2005, 07:08 PM
Wow I havent seen one of these in a looong time. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

I thought everyone got it by now... i guess all those copies of CFS3 still sitting on the shelves and the absence of FB makes people wonder.

To the original poster..... some people love CFS3... but they arent here..... for the most part anyway.... I could never get it to run right on my PC.... personally I think there is no comparison to this sim... aside from the fact that they both deal with WW2 aircraft....that is where the similarity ends... Of course there is the 3D vector thing... but then when you look around your cockpit bars you see that cr@ppy scenery..... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

SeaFireLIV
08-14-2005, 07:13 PM
Oh no... Don`t get me started. I wated 2 months of my life on that ****. But if you really want to read an A4 sized description of all that`s wrong with CFS3 compared to IL2, I can provide. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Oh yea, and your request for an unbiased opinion is illogical because you posted on the IL2/FB forums???

Xiolablu3
08-14-2005, 07:26 PM
Its funny m8 because I asked this question a while back, and the answers I got sounded like biased fanboy stuff.

I kind of expected the 'CFS sucks' bit and thought to myself - 'Hell it cant suck because CFS1 was good for its time!' (I never tried CFS2) These guys must just be biased cos this is an IL2 forum.

But no m8 , I bought it and guess what , It really really SUCKS' There are no other words for it.

Even tho the screenshots look ok, the graphics have NOTHING on IL2 and the gameplay (all 2 hours that I played) really is that bad. I was so disgusted with the product that I uninstalled it and gave it away to a friend.

The ONLY thing that I think is slightly better than IL2/FB/PF was the sound. It just sounds a bit more meaty.

From what I hear, CFS2 is a lot better than CFS3, but I wouldnt know cos I havent tried 2.

Do yourself a favour and give CFS3 a miss mate, its just a waste of money. Maybe checkout CFS2 if you really want to try 'a CFS'.

A MUCH better idea would be to complete the collection of FB/AEP/PF if you dont have them all already. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Then get yourself online and dogfight against us on 334th server or UKD1 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Has/Is 1c going to release a GOLD pack of FB/AEP/PF? They should do cos Im sure many people will want to play online but all 3 is very expensive for what is essentially one online game.

Get Forgotten Battles first RockGardeonLove, I think its on budget now at either 4.99 or 9.99. DONT buy the original IL2-Sturmovik.

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Forgotten Battles has everything IL2 has plus a lot more.

Aces Expansion Pack (AEP) adds a lot of random planes like the Spitfire and the Mustang and HE162.

Pacific Fighters adds ,well, all the Pacific fighters like the Zero, F6F etc.
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Old_Canuck
08-14-2005, 07:35 PM
Just played a track in PF (can you do that in CFS3?) and while the smoke of a train was coming closer I noticed that the leaves in the trees were fluttering in the wind. You can play this sim for years and still get surprised by details you missed earlier.

LeadSpitter_
08-14-2005, 07:38 PM
Your asking in the wrong place, you mind as well hold up a chicken up in a cage and ask a group of lions what taste better people or chicken.

Both sims have aspects much better then each other. People here will bash it to death becuase they are oleg fanboys but in fact cfs3 does so many things better.

The most important things il2 wins in are Its choice of difficulty settings for online play, graphics, low alt only but then again its fullworld terrain vs small square maps and anti cheating prevention which makes this game. better in my opinion

the Cfs series sold so many more copies then the il2 series as well and they canceled it becuase it was not a big money maker. So we have to thank oleg for what we got here.

I enjoy all wwii dogfighting prop sims and cfs3 is alot of fun becuase of the great community and user made addons, people just dont realize when cfs3 came out p2 400 was the recommended system requirements and many got studders low alt. Cfs3 was patched a few times. Todays pcs get fps in the hundreds.

cfs3 to me win in these catagories

Sound
fullworld terrain
dive speeds
roll rates
CEM
clickable cockpit gauges and all working
simulated stick pressures "compressibility before breakup speed"
weather and clouds.
ground objects
differential braking
accurately scaled buildings and Trees
runways
bomber gunstations focus on the ironsites of.
supports track ir 3 6dof
tracers
fire and smoke reflective models and lighting effects.
mid and high altitude 50,000feet modeled
missions that require drop tanks
you can fly anywhere in the world
terrain look while high alt
traintracks and runways being a part or the ground textures


aep fb pf wins in

Host difficulty selections
Dgen
campaigns
water graphics
aircraft cockpit models
anti cheating aids online
a developer who responds to his consumers.
online regiment, piltoskin, noseart, aircraftskin transfers online.
damage model effects with alphacuts "holes in the wings"
the ammount of ac included 50 flyable aircraft that come with the series 120ish if you count 2-5 varients of each.
ai is definatly better in FB AEP PF now
ship models
FMB

3.JG51_BigBear
08-14-2005, 07:49 PM
Il2 is the better all around package. Quite a bit of quality content is included, graphics are great, online play is a lot of fun, plane models are nice, cockpits look better (and are more accurate), and in the end the game is of all around higher quality.

CFS3 by itself cannot compete with Il2, however, with the firepower addon CFS3 is a very respectable game. Although the terrain looks like mud from high alt, down low the scenary is very nice with individual trees, detailed buildings, etc. The clouds are very nice in CFS3 and the dynamic wheather is a very cool feature. You can find almost any airplane you want to fly for download or purchase but you have to be discriminating about which ones you use because some aren't very well done (1% are very good free addons). The maps are more accurate and more locations are available.

CFS3 is not as good looking as Il2 and online is a royal mess but CFS3 replicates the mechanics of flight much better than Il2 and it allows you to use functions of the airplane that real pilots would deal with but are not manageable by the player in Il2. Its also a much better ground attack sim.

Both are good (but only if you have firepower). If you're only going to buy into one sim I would buy FB+AEP+PF.

MEGILE
08-14-2005, 08:10 PM
CFS3 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I find Il2 sterile, and really lacking in immersion.

Luftwaffe_109
08-14-2005, 08:11 PM
Il-2/FB/AEP/PF is simply a far superior product to MS CFS3. Nothing more needs be said.

Plus, Il-2 has the Ostfront. Any game at all that deals with the east instantly gets my vote. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

knightflyte
08-14-2005, 10:24 PM
What has been said above is from folks who have tried both sims. I too found CFS3 to be lacking.
I still own CFS3, and have tried to load it several times in the almost 3 years I've owned it. I wanted to like it. Originally I uninstalled it because it was such a resource hog. For the time I had a brand new computer. It ran okay. Nothing like it should have. And after a month I took it out. Then came IL2. What a difference. You can read why most love IL2 here so I don't need to go into it. It was just a superior product. I was totally immersed into the flying where I couldn't get that feeling in MSCFS. I tried several times after that.

CFS4 was canceled. I wonder if it's because of poor sales.

The sad part about that is competition does help spur MORE and BETTER flight sims.

zombiewolf92553
08-14-2005, 11:46 PM
the 3rd part stuff is really good tho,
I can't wait fof the WWI project.CFS3 hasn't been on my machine for alng time

Korbelz
08-15-2005, 01:25 AM
I was a CFS3 player before i really got into IL2.

the main thing that made me switch was damage model...first time i got my plane shot up in IL2..i went WOW. I've been playing for years and i still see "new" stuff in damage model, because there are just soo many planes and soo much you can do to them.

Atomic_Marten
08-15-2005, 01:43 AM
Buy both games. You will find which one you like more. I prefer IL-2. For number of reasons. Flight model being the No.1 reason.

JG7_Rall
08-15-2005, 06:24 AM
Originally posted by Megile:
CFS3 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I find Il2 sterile, and really lacking in immersion.

CFS3 won the war

han freak solo
08-15-2005, 06:30 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by LeadSpitter_:
Your asking in the wrong place, you mind as well hold up a chicken up in a cage and ask a group of lions what taste better people or chicken.
/QUOTE]

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/351.gif Good even-handed response LeadSpitter!

SeaFireLIV
08-15-2005, 06:40 AM
Originally posted by LeadSpitter_:
Your asking in the wrong place, you mind as well hold up a chicken up in a cage and ask a group of lions what taste better people or chicken.



Er... I don`t get it. If I were a lone I might go for either one, depending how hungry I was... :P

73GIAP_Milan
08-15-2005, 06:41 AM
To the original poster: seems you have beaten me to it, i was about to make a post on CFS3 aswell.

I had installed it YESTERDAY the first time since i upgraded my computer. I started downloading alot of new 3rd party aircraft, sounds and mod to improve the game but even the 1% stuff from Avhistory group made me laugh my head off and i decided to uninstall it.

Even on Hard mode flightmodelling is hilarious, i could yank the stick back on a 1% Fw190A5 and I DID NOT STALL IN ANY WAY, i dove down from 5K alt with over 900KM/h airspeed indicated, pulled out insanely hard and did not break up with a spitfire and so on.. I had it set to maximum realism possible.

The only advantages CFS3 has over IL2 is that you can add any plane you want and mod the game into anything you like. For the rest it is arcadish, poorly modelled, highly unrealistic and it has poor graphics.
IL2/FP+AEP+PF has spoiled me i guess, but i have uninstalled CFS3 again and i will NEVER install it again.

SeaFireLIV
08-15-2005, 06:42 AM
I meant a `lion`. Stupid forum never let`s me correct errors. whyyyyyyy?

Philipscdrw
08-15-2005, 06:47 AM
Out of the box, Il-2 series is better than CFS3. But CFS3 has tremendous scope for third-party improvements. I've never used it - I have FS2004 when I want to mess around with .cfgs and .zip archives - but from what I've heard, if you put the time into it, you can make CFS3 into a very good game. Il-2 can't be hugely improved by the community - we can make skins and mission editors and campaigns - every major improvement comes from Moscow. But in CFS3 much more can be done by the community.

Spider_439th
08-15-2005, 07:13 AM
I bought CFS1 CFS2 and sadly i paid too much for CFS3 as i bought it when it hit the shelves(65.00 CDN)

CFS3 is for stand alone playing and to have fun with it you need FIREPOWER a 3rd party add-on who sometimes get CFS3 to stop functionning, i try it online too and find a lot of cheaters and curiously someone on my six with that plane http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif http://pages.videotron.com/tiger439/phantom.jpg
Thats for third party

The only advantage i can see over IL-2 is the sounds

I don't feel the immersion and enthousiasm i experienced in IL-2 series

Offline or Online IL-2 is the best you can be sure

Bearcat99
08-15-2005, 03:13 PM
I still; have CFS3 and I hear there is a Korean and a WW1 add on that is free for it. I might check that out since I just like sims.. but when it comes to the prime prop jobs? Thios is the one and only for me.. at least for now. As far as CFS3 and it's 3rd party stuff.... well the problem there is that there is so much to get.... how do you know what is essential what isnt.. whats good what isnt..... Give me a 5cd sim witn 2 patches any day... toss in the 3rd party stuff that makes the sim itself more useable and WOW.

Nick_Toznost
08-15-2005, 07:49 PM
CFS3 has been sat, unused in a cupboard of mine since it was first released and I foolishly bought it. (I used to enjoy CFS1). I do not understand why people like it. I played it for 2 days and it just frustrated me, mostly because at that time, (late 2002 I believe) I had a top PC with a top graphics card and it looked horrible. Nasty and grainy.I tweaked away and it still looked awful. POOO

panther3485
08-17-2005, 09:16 AM
I've got both installed, as well as quite a few other sims/games. If the only two I had installed were CFS3 and FB/AEP/PF, I would probably spend 15% time on CFS3. IMHO, the Microsoft product is not as bad as some here have suggested but Oleg's baby is definitely better. Especially when you compare them on an 'as-they-come' basis.

Yes, there are a lot of mods and add-ons that enhance CFS3 and to some extent close the gap but it's a real chore sifting through them all to decide what to use and what not to use. Just too hard for me, cos I'm lazy.

CFS3 is worth a look if you can afford to buy both and want to sort through the extras. Otherwise, if you're only gonna get one, I'd recommend FB/AEP/PF. Head and shoulders.

Best regards to all,
panther3485

P.S. CFS2 was a pretty good effort for its time, I thought, and in some ways may still be the best of the three CFS's

Daiichidoku
08-17-2005, 10:27 AM
i have cfs3, bought it when it came out

not impressive, buit i havent given it a ral chance yet....must get used to how everything works first, then pass judgement

i think i will reinstall iut, and DL all the mods i can find, see if its any better that way

only problem is, anytime ive had it installed, i dont know where ppl are flying it online....does anyone?

JuHa-
08-17-2005, 11:09 AM
CFS3 is excelent for offline tinkering.

IL2-series are much better for online gaming.


IMHO, CFS3 is a good engine ruined by lousy out-of-the-box ACs.

x__CRASH__x
08-17-2005, 11:28 AM
I received CFS3 from a friend who did not want it. I have to say, I was pleasantly surprised. If offered a lot more than I expected.

When the CD reflects the sun it creates a prism effect. You can see several colors of the rainbow. Because of that, I have it hanging from my rear view mirrior in my car. Occasionally I go through the drive throught for a meal. As my car is a few years old, I don't have cup holders. So I take down the CD and set my drink on it. It keeps the leather dry.

Perhaps other users have other uses for their CD's.

Good Luck!

SeaNorris
08-17-2005, 11:40 AM
Originally posted by x__CRASH__x:
I received CFS3 from a friend who did not want it. I have to say, I was pleasantly surprised. If offered a lot more than I expected.

When the CD reflects the sun it creates a prism effect. You can see several colors of the rainbow. Because of that, I have it hanging from my rear view mirrior in my car. Occasionally I go through the drive throught for a meal. As my car is a few years old, I don't have cup holders. So I take down the CD and set my drink on it. It keeps the leather dry.

Perhaps other users have other uses for their CD's.

Good Luck!

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/354.gif

Old_Canuck
08-17-2005, 11:51 AM
Originally posted by x__CRASH__x:
I received CFS3 from a friend who did not want it. I have to say, I was pleasantly surprised. If offered a lot more than I expected.

When the CD reflects the sun it creates a prism effect. You can see several colors of the rainbow. Because of that, I have it hanging from my rear view mirrior in my car. Occasionally I go through the drive throught for a meal. As my car is a few years old, I don't have cup holders. So I take down the CD and set my drink on it. It keeps the leather dry.

Perhaps other users have other uses for their CD's.

Good Luck!

I put my CFS3 CD in storage in the hopes that a miracle would occur (without costing extra money) and someone would find a use for it. Will have to give your car ornament/coaster idea a try if the CD ever turns up again -- scum always floats to the top right?

kubanloewe
08-17-2005, 11:51 AM
I really like cfs3 since the Addons "D-Day" and "Firepower" and some groundarea improvements especially for Offline playing.
the dynamic Weathereffects with big clouds where you have to fly by your instruments make a bomber raid very true I think...
the new enginesounds and flak from third party developers are another great addon for a game which was very bad out of box ! Ok, some cockpits are really bad but others are good enough for me. The FM overall is not as good as in IL2 but the heightmodell is better I think, because in 10000m or more the 190´s and Ta152 are´nt so stiff and especially the TA152 is still controllable in 13000m where a 190A8 doesnt reach this height and also the enginepressure reduce at different heights is good modelled imho.
ju88 (8mb) (http://kubanskiloewe.de/Filme/cfs3/ju88lok.wmv)ju88start (2,5mb) (http://kubanskiloewe.de/Filme/cfs3/ju88start.wmv)

http://kubanskiloewe.de/Bilder/cfs3/cfs3ju88.JPG http://kubanskiloewe.de/Bilder/cfs3/cfs3mosie.JPG http://kubanskiloewe.de/Bilder/cfs3/cfs3410.JPG http://kubanskiloewe.de/Bilder/cfs3/cfs3beau.JPG

NorrisMcWhirter
08-17-2005, 11:55 AM
CFS3 is, overall, a poorer product than Il-2 although it does do some things better.

I think that's all there needs to be said.

Ta,
Norris

dieg777
08-17-2005, 12:03 PM
1-0

Having bought flightsims since the ZX spectrum , the ones I have been most dissapointed with are CFS series - others I can forgive due to various reasons but these stink. CFS1 in particular - try flying the FW-190 in that once and you have another beer coaster

this post is not objective or clever but as a wise man once said - if it walks like a dog, barks like a dog and sh1ts like a dog- well its probably a dog