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XyZspineZyX
08-03-2003, 03:11 PM
An example, the site has more:

http://www.fiddlersgreen.net/aircraft/WWII/yak-3/yak-3.htm

http://www.fiddlersgreen.net/aircraft/WWII/fw-190/fw_190.htm

And here are some made from can metal, very impressive:

http://www.modelflight.com/can-du.html


So after looking at the patterns to do those I was wondering if it would be possible to adapt IL2 skins to make models?

No, I don't have the graphics program to mess with skins, had no desire to, and for sure there's ways to not-do it ... I wonder what would have to be added and how much would just wrap nicely?

Mainly it's because there aren't many VVS planes up on paper modelling sites that I've seen, Fiddlers Green has only the Yak 3 for example. It's also because if it can work then IL2/FB provides another product/hobby and people can see their skins on actual 3D models to within your building skills, I've seen pictures of customized models that rival good plastic kits although they take longer to learn to make. I've made some that looked good from a meter or more away in my first 3 tries using the free samples. The IL2/FB models would make a sizeable stable if possible.


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XyZspineZyX
08-03-2003, 03:11 PM
An example, the site has more:

http://www.fiddlersgreen.net/aircraft/WWII/yak-3/yak-3.htm

http://www.fiddlersgreen.net/aircraft/WWII/fw-190/fw_190.htm

And here are some made from can metal, very impressive:

http://www.modelflight.com/can-du.html


So after looking at the patterns to do those I was wondering if it would be possible to adapt IL2 skins to make models?

No, I don't have the graphics program to mess with skins, had no desire to, and for sure there's ways to not-do it ... I wonder what would have to be added and how much would just wrap nicely?

Mainly it's because there aren't many VVS planes up on paper modelling sites that I've seen, Fiddlers Green has only the Yak 3 for example. It's also because if it can work then IL2/FB provides another product/hobby and people can see their skins on actual 3D models to within your building skills, I've seen pictures of customized models that rival good plastic kits although they take longer to learn to make. I've made some that looked good from a meter or more away in my first 3 tries using the free samples. The IL2/FB models would make a sizeable stable if possible.


Neal

XyZspineZyX
08-03-2003, 04:23 PM
I think that this is a wonderful idea. However, it would take a good deal of work. The flat skin images are not all the info you need. The areas of curvature, thicknesses of the model itself, etc . . . are information that is not included on the flat bitmaps. So, a good deal of research on the actual plane, or at least another scale model would be required. I'd say that it would get easier after you do the first one. Good luck, and and let us know when you have one finished. As I always tell my wife when she jokes about having an affair with her girlfriend: TAKE PICTURES!
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XyZspineZyX
08-03-2003, 04:45 PM
besides you actually have to pay for these.

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XyZspineZyX
08-03-2003, 04:57 PM
Rageman wrote:
- besides you actually have to pay for these.
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Well, no, actually. There are thousands of skins available for free download.

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XyZspineZyX
08-03-2003, 05:17 PM
wow the can models are very impressive !!!!!!!!!

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08-03-2003, 06:47 PM
Locust_161st wrote:
wow the can models are very impressive !!!!!!!!!

Tssssk tell me something new, Cessna has been making them for years hehehe /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

XyZspineZyX
08-04-2003, 01:51 AM
I got a few of those (different company), and they fly REALLY nice. Especially the 109 that I did really carefully. Toss it into a light breeze and watch it zoom straight for about 100 feet.

Nice thing is, they're not wimpy glider type planes that practically float, these suckers fly fast /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

adlabs6
08-04-2003, 02:23 AM
I don't know that the il2skins planes would work well for paper model kits, since some of the skins have mapping that distorts the geometery of the plane a good deal.

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XyZspineZyX
08-04-2003, 02:42 AM
sasKuatch wrote:
- I got a few of those (different company), and they
- fly REALLY nice. Especially the 109 that I did
- really carefully. Toss it into a light breeze and
- watch it zoom straight for about 100 feet.
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- Nice thing is, they're not wimpy glider type planes
- that practically float, these suckers fly fast /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif -
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What company? The Fiddlers Green models don't fly at all for most of them. Perhaps with a lot of work you could. And I would love good models that glide well!

One year I bought the CD from FG and made some of the planes, then got busy elsewhere. I have the Can-Du book but haven't started up on that. They show how to get the paint off the metal and the surface underneath is not aluminum but actually plated on metals like chrome and nickel that can be painted. Some cans even have gold colored plating!
There's ways to press patterns through the metal for rivets and lines as well as all kinds of effects and tricks to make any level of detail you want to take the time for. The book is well worth the cost just for the techniques.
Anyone with the time and plans/photos of the real thing could make a model just as detailed and more than a plastic kit, or modify the kit. There are even kits just to make the plastic kits better.

But... very little of those things fly. Maybe some year when I get set up and have time, I have imagined that putting the can metal onto a balsa model would work. Perhaps you have an easier way?


Neal

XyZspineZyX
08-04-2003, 02:51 AM
It wouldn't be quite the same, but if you printed out an FB skin, pasted it to a styrofoam sheet, and then cut and assembled it, you'd have a decent rendition, if a bit flat, that would probably fly like a paper airplane. I've seen kits similar to this at most model/toy stores. Do you think this would work?


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XyZspineZyX
08-04-2003, 08:04 AM
Not what I was thinking of at all. Check out the Yak and FW at the 1st 2 links.

I thought that the skins wrap around the virtual 3D model polys so why not in real 3D space? I figured that glue tabs would have to be added but then you can use strips of paper or whatever inside the joins. I didn't know there was warpage in the skin patterns and they wouldn't wrap 1:1 with the 3D models.


Neal