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XyZspineZyX
08-21-2003, 02:53 AM
Uh, are these aircraft suppose to have automatic prop pitch/mixture controls or was this a snafu during the patch creation?

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XyZspineZyX
08-21-2003, 02:53 AM
Uh, are these aircraft suppose to have automatic prop pitch/mixture controls or was this a snafu during the patch creation?

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XyZspineZyX
08-21-2003, 04:24 AM
Good question. I believe the emil variants had auto prop pitch. In patched 1.1, Auto prop pitch is available and variable prop pitch also. Mixture is gone. On all 109s its gone.

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XyZspineZyX
08-21-2003, 04:38 AM
for the automatic pitch, why not just read the readme? the patch came with a readme, and its name implies it is to be read...

go ahead men, that damned thing isn't trapped... RTFM...

"Additional:
- GM-1 NO2 boost now works in Bf-109E-7/Z
- Reworked manual pitch control for the row of the planes, especially Bf-109s and FW-190s (still under revision, if there will be other docs).
- Added automatic pitch control for Bf-109 series E4 and E7 (because with beginning of German invasion in Soviet Union most if not all were already re-equipped by constant speed propellers. Still under revision, if there will be other docs.)"

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XyZspineZyX
08-21-2003, 04:48 AM
shame ... it was the manual pitch that made the Emil a challenge to fly

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XyZspineZyX
08-21-2003, 07:11 AM
Cragger wrote:
- Uh, are these aircraft suppose to have automatic
- prop pitch/mixture controls or was this a snafu
- during the patch creation?

Cragger,

Yes, all variants of the Bf-109 are supposed to have automatic prop. pitch/mixture controls. As the person above said, the readme file for v1.1b explains that by the time the Germans invaded the Soviet Union, most (if not all) Emils remaining in service had been upgraded with constant speed props. However, you do not have to fly the Bf-109 in FB with the prop. in automatic mode. In the section labeled "Contols" on the Main Menu screen, simply bind a key to the function that switches prop. control from automatic to manual and vice versa [it's called Prop. Pitch Auto(I use the Backspace key, for example)]. As for the fuel mixture, the Bf-109s in FB (v1.0) should never have had manual mixture control, that seems to have been a mistake on the part of 1C: Maddox Games. Automatic fuel mixture for the Bf-109 is correct and historically accurate. You might want to check out a website called www.bf109.com (http://www.bf109.com). This website is dedicated to the Bf-109 and is loaded with information. It contains listings of all known surviving Bf-109s (static and airworthy) as well as technical information on the various different engines that were used in the 109 during its operational career. Additionaly, it has specs. on the different types of armament that were used on the 109 as well as several original German flight manuals for the Bf-109 (in pdf format) that you can download and read (some have been translated into English, others are still in German). My favorite section, however, is the link called "Flying the Bf-109". In this link you will find two, what I guess you could call, "reports" on what it's like to fly the 109. One is an evaluation made by a British RAF officer who test flew a captured Bf-109 during, or just after, the Battle of Britain. The second is by a gentleman by the name of Mark Hanna who flew a restored Bf-109 for the filming of the movie Memphis Belle. As he discusses his flight, he describes the cockpit from left to right. He explains that the throttle quadrant is made up of the throttle and the prop. pitch control lever. Mixture, he says, "is automatic". So, my point is, in FB (v1.0) the lever with the small yellow handle next to the throttle in the cockpit of the Bf-109 that moved when you adjusted the fuel mixture was incorrect. That lever is actually the prop. pitch control lever and should be modeled correctly now in v1.1b.

Best regards,
Tattered Boots.

XyZspineZyX
08-21-2003, 01:49 PM
Tattered_Boots wrote:
- As the person above said, the readme file for v1.1b
- explains that by the time the Germans invaded the
- Soviet Union, most (if not all) Emils remaining in
- service had been upgraded with constant speed props.

But why is the Emil-4 with automatic pitch a plane from 1940?
The only reason to fly the Bf-109 Emil in FB was the manual pitch. But now in with the patch it is like a F-2 or F-4 ... only slower.

The Emil with manual pitch had character, but now the Emil is just another Bf109 /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

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XyZspineZyX
08-21-2003, 01:58 PM
Well, it is Eastern front, by the time it started, Emils were automatic. Simple.

For BoB, Poland or France, we might need another Emil.

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XyZspineZyX
08-21-2003, 02:41 PM
Stefan-R wrote:
- But why is the Emil-4 with automatic pitch a plane
- from 1940?
- The only reason to fly the Bf-109 Emil in FB was the
- manual pitch. But now in with the patch it is like a
- F-2 or F-4 ... only slower.

Like the man said, switch to manual if you want. I do.



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XyZspineZyX
08-21-2003, 03:09 PM
Stefan-R wrote:

- But why is the Emil-4 with automatic pitch a plane
- from 1940?

Because it was built in 1940. As I said, by the time the Germans invaded the Soviet Union, nearly all of the Emils remaining in service had been upgraded (key word: upgraded) with automatic prop. pitch control. The Germans didn't have the time or resources to build a whole new airframe just to put on a new prop. They'd just take a Bf-109E-4 and take the old prop. off and put a new prop. on. Sure, it would need some calibrating and tweaking, but that wasn't anything they couldn't handle. Also, in addition to the new prop., some E-4s also recieved the new, more aerodynamic spinner (like the one on the E-7). In fact, because of this, quite a few of the "upgraded" E-4s were mistaken for E-7s.

- The only reason to fly the Bf-109 Emil in FB was the
- manual pitch. But now, with the patch, it is like a
- F-2 or F-4...only slower.
- The Emil with manual pitch had character, but now,
- the Emil is just another Bf-109.

Remember, you can still fly the Emil (and for that matter, every variant of the Bf-109) with manual prop. pitch control. In the "Controls" section of the Main Menu, simply bind a key to the "Prop. Pitch Auto" funtion. Then, in flight, you can switch from automatic pitch control to manual by pressing that key. If you do this, I think you'll find that every variant of the 109 has plenty of character. The Bf-109 is one of my favorite fighters from WWII and is, without a doubt, my favorite plane in IL-2: FB and I always fly it using manual prop. pitch, regardless of the variant, because you get better performance than you do with it on auto. It seems to respond quicker and reach full power faster. Sort of like driving a car with manual transmission as opposed to one with automatic transmission.

Best regards,
Tattered Boots.

XyZspineZyX
08-21-2003, 04:22 PM
Just kinda feels wrong now though.

It went from being the only aircraft with a correct CEM for prop pitch and overrev in FB1.0 to not having to worry about it at all in 1.1b.

Wonder if they are going to give the 110C-4 constant speed props then in the same theme of upgrades.

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XyZspineZyX
08-21-2003, 06:19 PM
Cragger wrote:
- Just kinda feels wrong now though.
-
- It went from being the only aircraft with a correct
- CEM for prop pitch and overrev in FB1.0 to not
- having to worry about it at all in 1.1b.
-
- Wonder if they are going to give the 110C-4 constant
- speed props then in the same theme of upgrades.
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- src="http://www.redspar.com/redrogue/CraggerUbisig
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- About after 30 minutes I puked all over my airplane.
- I said to myself "Man, you made a big mistake."
- -Charles 'Chuck' Yeager, regards his first flight

The CEM is still there, you just have to press Shift+0 and use it away /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
I tried to use the manual prop pitch yesterday for the first time, and after some practice, I managed to keep my RPM not lower than 2500, and when I switched to auto pitch, the RPM stayed in 2000. Note: with 2500 to 3000 RPM, the engine won't complain neither overheat, it will just generate more power /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
You can climb much better with manual prop pitch also


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XyZspineZyX
08-21-2003, 06:48 PM
Adv. manual says all Me109 had manual mixture control.

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