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WilhelmSchulz.
01-25-2006, 08:06 PM
I was watching the Milatary Channel and U.S.n F-18 pilots are flying agianst Luftwaffa Mig-29 Fulcrums. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif
I though germany only flew U.S or british planes?

SeemanZ
01-25-2006, 11:33 PM
They did fly Mig-29s (suprisingly: oringinally belonged to the West, not East), but apparently sold them to Poland in 2004.

-Z

BenBenRodr
01-26-2006, 01:52 AM
Wha? I've always known the East German airforce to use MiG-29's, not the West...


After the reunification of Germany in 1990, East Germany's MiG-29s were integrated into the German Luftwaffe, after modifications from DaimlerChrysler Aerospace (now EADS). In September 2003 the 22 remaining machines were sold to the Polish Air Force.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIG_29#Combat_service

Dolemite-
01-26-2006, 01:54 AM
They fly what they can get.

AO1_AW_SW_USN
01-26-2006, 02:01 AM
That's ok... Iran bought F-14's and P-3 Orions from us. So if this nuclear standoff turns into a shooting conflict, it will be F/A-18E/F "Super Hornets" vs F-14A "Vintage and Half-Broken Tomcats"

Celeon999
01-26-2006, 05:14 AM
We use :

- Mig-29
- Su-27 (came both along with the merging of east and west german Luftwaffe)

- old but modified F-4 Phantom (i dont know how much of them but theyve been costantly taken out of service the last years)

- But mainly the Tornado that gets also more and more out of service

They all get step by step replaced by the different versions of the Eurofighter Typhoon

I will go again to the International Luftfahrtausstellung ILA here in Berlin this year.

Military and civil airplanes from all over the world always perform great flight shows there. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

The **** batteries of my digicam prevented me from filming the Tiger performing overhead flight and three full loopings in a row http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Never thought such stunts were possible with an military helicopter http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

I hope that they repeat that this time. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
I have enough batteries and an new memory card


http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/3845/unbenannt7qp.png
http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/6131/tiger11fn.jpg


Eurofighter EF Typhoon
On the pics are the double and the single seat version.

http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/3912/eurofighternachbrenner7kl.jpg
http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/3313/eurofighter5nc.jpg
http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/2741/eurofighter12uu.jpg
http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/2865/041221420eurofighter3xz.jpg http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/2747/portalfiles13go.jpg

http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/7791/portalfiles47hl.jpg http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/721/portalfiles51ax.jpg

http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/7855/portalfiles34nz.jpg

BenBenRodr
01-26-2006, 06:32 AM
Man, I just love the looks of that EF... *drool*

Celeon999
01-26-2006, 06:59 AM
But my favourite planes at the ILA 2004 were an Albatros B2 and an red Fokker Dreidecker (like the one from Manfred von Richthofen) from WW-1 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif which performed an mock dogfight. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

That was awesome cool http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

http://img73.imageshack.us/img73/8588/albatrosb29xv.jpg

BenBenRodr
01-26-2006, 07:06 AM
I love military aircraft... unfortunately, I've only been to an airshow once - and there was a crash killing 10 people then...

And now that I'm older, my g/f doesn't wanna go. Oh, how much I'd love to witness such a mockfight.

The_Silent_O
01-26-2006, 07:15 AM
What's the specs on the 'Typhoon' how long does it take to go 0-60 ??? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Looks a little like the old SAAB Viggen

Celeon999
01-26-2006, 07:35 AM
love military aircraft... unfortunately, I've only been to an airshow once - and there was a crash killing 10 people then...

And now that I'm older, my g/f doesn't wanna go. Oh, how much I'd love to witness such a mockfight.


Which one was that ?

We only had one at Ramstein in 1988 were three italian planes collided and one of them crashed directly into the visitors. 67 people were killed and hundreds were wounded. It was propably the worst airshow disaster ever. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Ra(m)stein airshow disaster (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramstein_airshow_disaster)

Since then the air shows are performed in much greater distance and height from the visitors. But there still close enough so that you see everything. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

The band Rammstein named themselves after the town Ra(m)stein where the disaster happened.

Ra(mm)stein (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rammstein)



What's the specs on the 'Typhoon' how long does it take to go 0-60 ???

Looks a little like the old SAAB Viggen



I have this from wikipedia

General characteristics
Crew: 1 or 2
Length: 15.96 m (52 ft 5 in)
Wingspan: 10.95 m (35 ft 11 in)
Height: 5.28 m (17 ft 4 in)
Wing area: 50 m² (540 ft²)
Empty: 9,752 kg (21,500 lb)
Loaded: 15,550 kg (34,280 lb)
Maximum takeoff: 21,000 kg (46,300 lb)
Powerplant: 2 Eurojet EJ200 turbofans each rated at 60 kN (13,500 lbf) dry and 90 kN (20,200 lbf) in reheat
[edit]
Performance
Maximum speed:
Mach 2.0+ €" 2,390 km/h (1,480 mph) at altitude, Mach 1.2 at sea level
Without afterburning (supercruise): Mach 1.3 at altitude with typical air-to-air armament
Range: (all using 3 drop tanks):
Air Combat (10 minute loiter): 1389 km (860 miles)
Air Combat (3 hour CAP): 185 km
Ground attack (hi-lo-hi): 1389 km
Ground attack (lo-lo-lo): 601 km
Ferry: more than 3706 km (2,300 miles)
Service ceiling: > 18,000 m (60,000 ft)
Rate of climb: 15,240 m/min(50,000 ft/min)
Wing loading: 311 kg/m² at normal takeoff weight (63.7 lb/ft²)
Thrust/weight: 7.7 N/kg (0.79 lbf/lb)
[edit]
Armament
Guns: 27mm Mauser BK-27 cannon
Missiles: AGM-84 Harpoon, AGM-88 HARM, AGM Armiger, AIM-9 Sidewinder, AIM-132 ASRAAM, AIM-120 AMRAAM, IRIS-T, MBDA Meteor, ALARMs, Storm Shadow (AKA "Scalp EG"), Brimstone, Taurus, Penguin
Bombs: Paveway 2, Paveway 3, Enhanced Paveway, JDAM
Other: Laser designator, e.g. LITENING pod
[edit]
Other
Cost: depending on specification
Austria: EUR 63 million "fly-away cost" (only the plane) and 100 million "system cost" (logistics, support, subsystems DASS, MIDS)
Germany: EUR 85 million "system cost"

BenBenRodr
01-26-2006, 08:29 AM
I can't find a good English site for now, and nothing is listed on Wikipedia for it - that I found anyway.

It was the Airshow in Oostende/Ostend, Belgium, of July 26th, 1997. 9 people died when a light aircraft of the Jordanian Airforce crashed near a Red Cross tent. I was a good 100 meters from the crashsite then.

*edit: ofcourse not as bad as Ramstein was, but still, it was quite a shakeup for me :-/

Celeon999
01-26-2006, 08:29 AM
Ive just noticed that this Iris-T missile mentioned above is developed by the same company (Diehl BGT Defence) that builds the new super cavitation torpedo barracuda http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Iris T missile (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRIS-T)

I wonder when BGT finally comes up with some pics of that torpedo http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif



I can't find a good English site for now, and nothing is listed on Wikipedia for it - that I found anyway.

It was the Airshow in Oostende/Ostend, Belgium, of July 26th, 1997. 9 people died when a light aircraft of the Jordanian Airforce crashed near a Red Cross tent. I was a good 100 meters from the crashsite then.

Wow you are a lucky guy http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

I have always those pics from Ramstein in my mind when i go there.

Edit :

They showed the crash in TV and the camera catched also the moment when the burning plane crashed into the people..... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

This give me nightmares http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

BenBenRodr
01-26-2006, 08:38 AM
Take that, Jack Thompson! We love shooting virtual sailors to the bottom of the Atlantic, but we hate seeing footage of events where real people died.


Same with me. I can watch it, but not without thinking about all the people that lost their lives, whether it's footage of 9/11, an airplane-crash or a documentary about WWII. It sends shivers up my spine.

The_Silent_O
01-26-2006, 09:03 AM
Originally posted by BenBenRodr:
Take that, Jack Thompson! We love shooting virtual sailors to the bottom of the Atlantic, but we hate seeing footage of events where real people died.


Same with me. I can watch it, but not without thinking about all the people that lost their lives, whether it's footage of 9/11, an airplane-crash or a documentary about WWII. It sends shivers up my spine.

Inasmuch as modern movies try...nothing comes close to the real trauma in life. Especially when you know the victims. Perhaps that's why I never got into Science Fiction or Fantasy novels or movies...nothing can compare to true history.

I had a brother working in the Pentagon on 9/11. It took about 11 hours before we could certify he was okay.

...And I once saw a C-130 Loadmaster die in front of my eyes in a crash...those things you never forget. You do what you can until you can't do anymore. I drove my HMMWV out just after the crash with my medics and combat lifesavers...The other loadmaster was lucky, he only lost a leg.


The only other C-130 crash with a Dyess casualty was the most recent. On Aug. 9, 1989, a C-130 from the 772nd Tactical Airlift Squadron crashed at Fort Bragg, N.C., while demonstrating the low altitude delivery of a heavy tank for a crowd of distinguished visitors which included Dyess-Abilene civic leaders. The vehicle stuck in the plane and the three huge cargo extraction parachutes dragged the plane down in a hard belly landing in front of the horrified spectators. One crewman was killed while attempting to cut the 'chutes loose, and seven were injured.

http://www.texnews.com/news/dyessside081996.html

and I just found the guys name...
Aug 09 1989 // 74-1681 // Ft Bragg NC // TSGT Charles R Alfred // Air Drop

at least he's remembered here, today.

paulhager
01-27-2006, 07:25 PM
Originally posted by The_Silent_O:

...

I had a brother working in the Pentagon on 9/11. It took about 11 hours before we could certify he was okay.

...



Two of my co-workers at Crane Naval Surface Warfare Center (NSWC) were at the Pentagon on 9/11. One is civilian DoD and the other was active duty military at the time. The civilian was 30-50 meters from the impact point. He barely made it out.

TheFastFreddie
01-27-2006, 11:25 PM
Originally posted by AO1_AW_SW_USN:
That's ok... Iran bought F-14's and P-3 Orions from us. So if this nuclear standoff turns into a shooting conflict, it will be F/A-18E/F "Super Hornets" vs F-14A "Vintage and Half-Broken Tomcats"

I don't think Iran's F-14s have flown in over 20 years. When radicals overthrew the U.S. friendly government in the late 70s or early eighties (can't remember exactly when) Grumman pulled out all of its people who also took some critical parts. Plus you won't be able to fly what you can't repair and it safe to say they haven't gotten any parts in some time.

blue_76
01-27-2006, 11:41 PM
supposedly they used some f14 in the iran-iraq war with some success. maybe the russians supplied them with the spare parts or had some smuggled in?
interesting read though:
http://www.iiaf.net/aircraft/jetfighters/F14/f14.html

Swartz-boot
01-28-2006, 12:11 AM
how do i get these destroyers off my butt? i just did the "gabralter' mission and got run over

paulhager
01-28-2006, 07:23 AM
Originally posted by blue_76:
supposedly they used some f14 in the iran-iraq war with some success. maybe the russians supplied them with the spare parts or had some smuggled in?
interesting read though:
http://www.iiaf.net/aircraft/jetfighters/F14/f14.html

In my article, U.S. versus Iran: The tale of the tape (http://paulhager.org/wordpress/index.php?p=60), I reference Jane's for an Iranian F-14A strength of 35 aircraft.

If the U.S. attacks Iran, which I'm hoping and expecting to happen within the next 6 months, the Iranian Air Force will be eliminated in a matter of hours - mostly, if not exclusively, on the ground.