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Freelancer-1
04-08-2005, 11:41 AM
Flying a coop last night, we found four He111's and escort. Two of us broke off and went after the bombers.

I'm 750 meters back of one of them and I start taking hits from the new laser guided, homing bullets. Deftly avoiding the the constant stream of lesd, I get close enough to tag the belly gunner with my 37mm(the only thing big enough to get through the clear aluminun, neo-plaz shell protecting the gunner).

Now, I come up within 10m ...thats TEN METERS of his tail and give hiim a solid 10 second burst from my guns. I can barely see this guy through the cloud of stuff I'm tearing off his plane.

Unfortunatly, I didn't realize this was one of new KCF(kevlar, carbon fiber)models and all I was doing was tearing the paint off it. So, off it flew, ignoring me, trailing a little bit of fine white smoke, back to the secret lab from whence it was spawned.
And I returned to base a humbled man knowing now that there could never be victory against an enemy such as this.

Have any other of you been unlucky enough to meet one these Uber Bombers?

Freelancer-1
04-08-2005, 11:41 AM
Flying a coop last night, we found four He111's and escort. Two of us broke off and went after the bombers.

I'm 750 meters back of one of them and I start taking hits from the new laser guided, homing bullets. Deftly avoiding the the constant stream of lesd, I get close enough to tag the belly gunner with my 37mm(the only thing big enough to get through the clear aluminun, neo-plaz shell protecting the gunner).

Now, I come up within 10m ...thats TEN METERS of his tail and give hiim a solid 10 second burst from my guns. I can barely see this guy through the cloud of stuff I'm tearing off his plane.

Unfortunatly, I didn't realize this was one of new KCF(kevlar, carbon fiber)models and all I was doing was tearing the paint off it. So, off it flew, ignoring me, trailing a little bit of fine white smoke, back to the secret lab from whence it was spawned.
And I returned to base a humbled man knowing now that there could never be victory against an enemy such as this.

Have any other of you been unlucky enough to meet one these Uber Bombers?

jeroen_R90S
04-08-2005, 11:44 AM
Hehe, it seems they never spawn from their holes when I fly one, that's for sure!

Deedsundone
04-08-2005, 12:15 PM
I flew a p39 once and shot most of all my bullets,several 37mm hits on it only to make it smoke a bit.Though I did shoot mostly at fuselage,and,he set me ablaze.
I guess I should have maked high stern passes and not parked myslef behind his six. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Hristos
04-08-2005, 12:21 PM
Any more of these dweeby dead 6 attacks ? I'm about to knock myswelf out http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

JuHa-
04-08-2005, 12:30 PM
While the fuselage of He111 takes whatever,
the glass canopy will not protect the pilot.
Engines tend to catch fire too, when shot at
with .50s or russian lead.

That's my experiences from the receiving end,
most often the pilot is killed by fighters,
good second is explosion after AAA hit.
Burning engines do cramp my style too.

vedder_1
04-08-2005, 01:51 PM
hi, have you try out the B-25? Thats a really uber bomber. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

Badsight.
04-08-2005, 02:10 PM
no bomber , medium or heavy , is as survivable as the Pe-2

when FB was first released , the He-111 was said to have the most advanced DM of any other bomber , i dont know if thats still true

VW-IceFire
04-08-2005, 04:40 PM
It does tend to soak up a good number of hits.

But a dead six attack is pretty useless. High six or low six is better...high 9/low 3 combinations are best.

Von_Zero
04-08-2005, 04:52 PM
lol, you are complaining the He-111 is uber after attaking it from his 6? Have you tried the Betty? or the Pe-8? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Skarphol
04-08-2005, 05:02 PM
Well, the He-111 doesn't only have über DM, it has über pilots too! I was fiddeling around with Gibbage's challenge tonight and got frustrated of how much lead I put into these planes compared to how litle results I got. For a bether check on my aiming, I swithced arcademode on, and as I was firing at a He-111 i suddenly got the message "HEAD SHOT" on my screen. I wondered if that meant I had hit someone in the head, so I swithced to CTRL-F2 to check the enemy planes, and there the pilot sat with a long arrow, from the back left of his head and straight through out of his forehead! Allmost like looking at ballisticstest on CSI! The pilot didn't seem to be annoyed by the long arrow nailing his head to both the backrest of his seat and the perspex, neither the fact that he had just had a .303 going straight through one of his more vital parts.. he solidered on and ended his flight makeing a flawless 3-point landing with one propellor feathered and one engine smoking heavily. Me? I had my elevatorcontrols damaged by a shot through my rear fuselage, and headed home...

Skarphol

Aaron_GT
04-08-2005, 05:09 PM
The He-111 is not uber. If you hit it in the right places it goes down relatively easily. The cockpit area is generally vulnerable (it can be brought down with well placed rifle calibre shots here) and the underside of the wing root if hit with a pair of .50s can lead to the whole plane blowing up.

Online is not a good place to test DMs, though, as the netcode can lead to 'rubber bullet' syndrome.

3.JG51_BigBear
04-08-2005, 05:18 PM
Stern attacks never work. Even on fighters some times. You have to go for the wings. Against He111 I prefer to forgo the frontal attack and attack from directly above. The bomber becomes a huge almost unmoving target in your sites and none of its defensive weapons can traverse to shoot at you. A couple 37MM shells, no matter where you plant them, will knock that thing out of the air pronto.

plumps_
04-08-2005, 05:32 PM
Didn't Oleg say that there's a bug in the netcode that sometimes makes 37mm ammo ineffective online?

SnapdLikeAMutha
04-08-2005, 05:33 PM
If I'm attacking bombers I like to try to come from underneath and shoot into the bomb-bay...hehehe... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

whitetornado_1
04-08-2005, 05:36 PM
If you want to die no matter what attack
plan you use go after a B-24 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

Oilburner_TAW
04-08-2005, 07:29 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by 3.JG51_BigBear:
Stern attacks never work. Even on fighters some times. You have to go for the wings. Against He111 I prefer to forgo the frontal attack and attack from directly above. The bomber becomes a huge almost unmoving target in your sites and none of its defensive weapons can traverse to shoot at you. A couple 37MM shells, no matter where you plant them, will knock that thing out of the air pronto. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

SHHHHHHH!!!!

Keep attacking from dead 6, it is the only way!


(most of my kills on GG are in the HE111 or B25)

p1ngu666
04-08-2005, 08:22 PM
is there a blindspot on the he111, dead 6?
thought there was..

SnapdLikeAMutha
04-08-2005, 08:40 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by p1ngu666:
is there a blindspot on the he111, dead 6?
thought there was.. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

There's blind spots all around it if you can sneak up and poke the pilot in the eye http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

mortoma
04-08-2005, 08:50 PM
Best way to kill a He-111 is to try to force him to manuever a bit and hit him with deflection. And for some reason, wing Mgs are better than even large nose cannons for this job. Throwing a lot of small lead bullets at an angle is what will anniliate 111 better than anything. So shooting him with a 12 .303 gunned Hurri will actually do the trick better than any 20, 23 or 37mm cannon. Except maybe for extremely large cannons such as the Russian 45mm.

zombiewolf92553
04-08-2005, 08:59 PM
Shoot the engines

Atomic_Marten
04-08-2005, 10:33 PM
I'd say you that I have just BnZed one in Jug. Needles to say I have opened fire much earlier than normally on fighter sized target.

From distance of .75k.. just to correct my aim. And I have him in gunsight cross all the way from .65 till .15 of course under fire (that'll be if we measure that in seconds, maybe ~3 sec.).

I have observed parts falling off bomber he got all kind of damage roll to right and crashed. So ~3 sec 12,7mm burst is enough for sure http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif.

The most devastating attacks to *ALL* bombers are high attacks from six. Several reasons but the most important one is you have opportunity to hold him enough in your gunsight to infilct serious damage, and also you can correct your aim very easily.

But due to sniper gunners (well in those conditions I have no fear of HE111 gunners in Jug), most people like to BnZ em almost vertically, make high side attacks or from head on..

msalama
04-08-2005, 11:10 PM
I've found that they won't hit me (or not too badly anyway) if I corkscrew behind them in my P-39N-1 so that my vertical & horizontal approach angles change constantly. And then, when I'm very VERY near, a blast from the cannon usually suffices http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

But the He-111 a _hard_ plane to down you said? How strange - I've never had any problems whatsoever with them, whereas the Ju-88 was a tough one for me in the beginning (and I _still_ consider myself a clueless nubi)...

Aaron_GT
04-09-2005, 02:34 AM
"is there a blindspot on the he111, dead 6?
thought there was.."

the version we have in the game seems to have the tailcone MG modelled in the 3D model, but it doesn't fire. So in theory there is a spot not covered with defensive fire, but it would be a tough job to keep in the uncovered spot.

Atomic_Marten
04-09-2005, 09:57 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Aaron_GT:
"is there a blindspot on the he111, dead 6?
thought there was.."

the version we have in the game seems to have the tailcone MG modelled in the 3D model, but it doesn't fire. So in theory there is a spot not covered with defensive fire, but it would be a tough job to keep in the uncovered spot. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You are right.. maybe you can find that spot, but to be effective several things must occur, of them most important is to be unnoticed. If bomber pilots notice you, it is suffice to give little rudder action and here ya go face to face with angry gunner..

Anyway that strategy in game seems risky vs. Stuka, and for HE111.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

p1ngu666
04-09-2005, 10:29 AM
h6 as the mg in the tail i think
but yeah, its not the place tobe http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

blakduk
04-11-2005, 05:20 PM
Dead 6 attacks are a waste of time, especially in a p39 as the cannon bounces all over the place. From that position, unless your about 10m away, only about 5% of your shells will hit anything.
What's really annoying is when you force the b*gger down with an engine on fire, holes in his wings and his undercarriage crippled, watch him cartwheel on landing and pieces fly everywhere- only to not be credited with a kill!!!
It only happens occassionally, but it is annoying.