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XyZspineZyX
04-26-2003, 07:19 AM
hi guys,

i think fw is the best plane in the game, no matter which time envelope you fly. if it late war you take the a9 or d9, if it early you hop into a4 and you are the king of the skies.

who thinks this is the best looking, best flying scout ever made in fb?

XyZspineZyX
04-26-2003, 07:19 AM
hi guys,

i think fw is the best plane in the game, no matter which time envelope you fly. if it late war you take the a9 or d9, if it early you hop into a4 and you are the king of the skies.

who thinks this is the best looking, best flying scout ever made in fb?

XyZspineZyX
04-26-2003, 07:28 AM
I can't get the Fw-190 to fight it's way out of a wet paper sack.
Stalls like the devil, and no elevator. It's BROKEN, and needs to be fixed.
I wish I had your enthusiasm about it. I've always loved the plane, but in FB I can't make it work for me-
Chris

XyZspineZyX
04-26-2003, 07:42 AM
hi chris, it is not that bad http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

you shall not turnfight with it, avoid constat spirals, do not follow russian planes for more than one circle. they can turn very fast, but with the use of flaps you can for a short time lift your nose above them and have a good shot.
i think fw planes are only good in full real servers where there are no icons and padlock either. they can zoomclimb pretty well and you must always be very careful not to lose your speed.

i enjoy flying them.

i can send you some tracks if you want trying to demonstrate how she soars.

cheers plébános

XyZspineZyX
04-26-2003, 07:47 AM
Just got off Aviar's server, 1942 planes. The reds seemed to be flying Hurricane field mods mostly, with one guy attacking the ground with IL2, and saw a Mig3. My 190A4 tore up a couple Il2s. I was faster than the Hurricanes, but not so much that they couldn't get me if I messed up. The Mig3 was fast. The IL2s gunners lit me up big time, but the FW doesn't care. Had a Hurricane run outta ammo on me, and later soaked up a tom of hits from one while a buddie got on him. I was in a G2 when I met the Mig, I got him smoking early but he shot me down after a long fight (My first flight EVER in a G2 in FB, so don't give me any crap about overmoddelled/undermoddelled whatever), from what I remember from IL2 the Mig3 is the real FW killer.

Overall FW190 pwns. If you are alone then it is a hassle as it takes forever to get a reversal on a Hurricane, but with a friend it's np. If alot of reds are flying Mig3s then better get some 109s to fly top cover.

Most of my online experience is in the Dora, and she is just faster than everyone else.

Offline i've done campaigns in FW190A4/5 which are easy until LA5Fs show up, then it is a bit of a challenge.

XyZspineZyX
04-26-2003, 07:48 AM
Yes Plebanos- please send them:

miataman1@cox.net

I would love to be more competent with the Fw's, hopefully your examples will show me how.
Chris

XyZspineZyX
04-26-2003, 07:53 AM
okay chris, i will send them two days time. it is weekend and i cant go to the office nowhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

anyways, you should be careful not to use flaps the way you did in il2. they just slow you down, or perhaps give you a slight nose up attitude, nothing more.

what is good about fw is that she can eat bullets afr better than messerschmitts and rolls better. it canot however stay in a sustained turn for a long time, but i will try to show you some tracks where it does stay there and gets the foe in the end. on head ons it is lethal.

so, it is a good plane. but, let me emphasize only in full real. it is no good for the low level, aquarium-like turnfights.

XyZspineZyX
04-26-2003, 08:57 AM
I agree. I love flying the FW-190, but you have to know how to fly them. It takes a lot of practice. You have to know the limitations. They seem to be able to take a lot of punishment. They're fast and they pack a lot of firepower. If I get a good line up on a Mig or a Yak, they are history. They go down every time. I knocked down three veteran Yak pilots in one mission tonight. It was hardly a challenge.

XyZspineZyX
04-26-2003, 10:07 AM
chris455 wrote:
- Stalls like the devil


...but recovers like an angel!



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XyZspineZyX
04-26-2003, 10:34 AM
Plebanos: I'd like those tracks as well, trying to learn the 109 and 190 with mixed success..



Thanks!



Message Edited on 05/02/0306:37AM by Tully__

XyZspineZyX
04-26-2003, 10:47 AM
The FW190 has gotten a lot of stick from some circles in this forum. Its good to hear that there are people who appreciate it. Although there may be some issues, it just goes to show its about learning and mastering how to use planes properly and it sounds like once you have done so with this one, it is one of the strongest planes in the sky.

XyZspineZyX
04-26-2003, 10:55 AM
Poor elevator control severly limits its effectiveness. Low gunsight line doesn't help either. You can't make a proper high speed pass and you generally have to be slower than usual to make those final adjustments for a shot.

With current Hurricanes it just isn't smart, as they keep in dives for some (unbelieveable) time with you.

Right now any 190 is just an average performer IMO. But still better than 109, which takes different kind of specialization.

190 can outdive most planes, but that's about it. I didn't notice some special zooming abilities, as both P39s and Hurris (by far most popular red rides) were able to pick me up on top of the zoom. Roll is slightly above average, but nothing special. 109 in general has better high speed control and it is better highspeed BnZer for me (hard to believe though).

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XyZspineZyX
04-26-2003, 10:57 AM
"but you have to know how to fly them. It takes a lot of practice. You have to know the limitations."

That's perfectly true, but the real problem is not to learn how to fly it how it is currently modeled, but to know if this aircraft is on all aspects (elevator?) correctly modeled.

There are two cases:

1. To learn how to fly correctly an aircraft with inaccurate FM's characteristics.

2. To learn how to fly correctly an aircraft with accurate FM's characterestics.

I prefer the second solution, because the argument "learn to fly this aircraft" is not really interesting to judge the accuracy of an FM.

Cheers,

XyZspineZyX
04-26-2003, 11:03 AM
P.S. I agree with Hristos , the 190's cannot degage enough energy in a dive or keep enough energy in a zoom climb to be really flown in a real "boom and zoom" tactic. Most of the times, you can escape red aircrafts, but you don't have enough energy or speed to make an effective counterattack (elevator, energy bleed...).

The only real useful tactic in FB with the 190 is the surprise attack on FR servers, but the 190's, which are not turn-fighters ok, should be able to do more (real boom and zoom and energy flying, not only surprise attacks).

I hope the patch will improve it!

Cheers,

XyZspineZyX
04-26-2003, 11:22 AM
hi chdt, we havent flown together for a long time! how is life going?

which version do you think the better is? a5 or a9? in il2 a5 was the best plane ever stable and fast, wheereas a8 was a piece of dump as far as flight stability.

now i guess a9 is a bit snappy but a5 is more stable but lack the punch of the 13mm and 30mm weapons.

XyZspineZyX
04-26-2003, 11:38 AM
FW190 is more hit&run than boom&zoom plane. you cannot rely on outclimbing your opponent. FW190 are very fast and if you keep speed nobody will catch you. in team, use drag&bag etc. and you will find FW190 is really deadly.

if you are patient the only threat to FW190 is a plane with height advatage.

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XyZspineZyX
04-26-2003, 11:41 AM
I love the Fw's as well.... But it realy bothers me that Hurricanes can run them down

I was runing like mad & this Hurricane just kept on gaining

Not sure why

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XyZspineZyX
04-26-2003, 11:45 AM
CHDT- I'm with you.

XyZspineZyX
04-26-2003, 11:50 AM
Its all good. The D-9s are great fun at high altitudes. You watch people stall trying to get to you, and then you BOUNCE them. Fun

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XyZspineZyX
04-26-2003, 11:54 AM
you might be right saying that it is more then a hit and run plane...

there is this maneuver when you go into vertical, let the velocity drop to 100 and then yank the stick to your back. it just flps over and flies no matter what you do. amazing. though d9 is easier to do it with. i will go home and practice more with the versions. they are so cool!

i need more time put into a versions to master them properly. d9 is easier to fly. her speed and climb is the coolest.

plebi

XyZspineZyX
04-26-2003, 12:03 PM
Jenkins6 wrote:
- CHDT- I'm with you.
-
-

Me too /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

I think that the 190 in FB is like the G6 of IL2, with a FM needing some adjustments, this planes "dont want to turn"

And the G6, now in FB rocks, for 43, it's the king of hit and climb /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

XyZspineZyX
04-26-2003, 12:10 PM
The FW 190 is good in reality, In FB the Russians have made too much propaganda for their own aircraft so they heavily underpowered and undermodelled it.


Someone said at this forum : its like King Kong is sitting on your elevators.

XyZspineZyX
04-26-2003, 12:17 PM
tankeriv wrote:
- Someone said at this forum : its like King Kong is
- sitting on your elevators.

/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif *lol* ... sad but true /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif


And the bad sight out of the cockpit makes aiming nearly impossible and desroys the feel for speed, heading etc. (fluglage).

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XyZspineZyX
04-26-2003, 12:48 PM
Hi Plebanos,

Life? Not worst as usual /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

In fact, the past weeks, I made almost only quick missions with 190's against P-47 and P-51 at medium and high altitudes. I think that these fighters together, with their similar flight envelope, can make very realistic and balanced dogfights! That's the reason why I'm really waiting for the coming of the Mustang for having servers restricted to Western type aircrafts.

The A-9 is really fast (until the patch comes?!?) but its poor elevator mades it not really good in vertical manoeuvers (the K-4 is much better!).

So, my prefered 190 for the moment is the F-8, with its rather light and comfortable commands.

Cheers,

XyZspineZyX
04-26-2003, 01:01 PM
CHDT:

As playing offline, I found out the same...but yesterday, I fought on a server (A-9 against bubble P-47).
The P-47 clearly outtourned and outmanoevoured the A-9 !
With this wingload and the different thrust-weight relation, this should be impossible...

But it happened...

Kinda strange... /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

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XyZspineZyX
04-26-2003, 01:03 PM
F-8 has lighter controls than A series ?!

OMW to check it out.

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XyZspineZyX
04-26-2003, 01:03 PM
CHDT friend, do you consider f8 being better than a9?

isnt that a bit slow and heavy?

how about the a5? is it as good as it was before in the old il2 times?

a9s controls are somewhat snappy, at least thats how i feel.

it is staurday and i am working, hell. i wish i could go home.

plebi

XyZspineZyX
04-26-2003, 01:14 PM
Yes, the F-8 is not so fast, but strangely, I found that its controls are rather light. Especially in "close combat", you can move your elevator to adjust a target, what every 190 variant should be able to do!

With the 190A-9 for instance, you fly fast, ok, but very often you can't adjust your target, simply because of this damned elevator which is heavy as a big boy steam locomotive!

And about the stall in the 190's. Not a problem for me, it's realistic, the high-speed stall of the 190 was well-known. The problem is that many of our opponents don't stall at all /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Cheers,


P.S. I'm currently uploading Eric Brown's test on the 190A. Link follows soon!

XyZspineZyX
04-26-2003, 01:22 PM
"how about the a5? is it as good as it was before in the old il2 times?"

Yes, the A-5 looks like a good honest plane.



"a9s controls are somewhat snappy, at least thats how i feel."

I may be completely wrong with my idea, but I've always thought that the A-8 in IL-2 was modeled like a Sturmbock variant with extra armor. Perhaps the FM of the A-9 was done like that, the FM of the A-8 with more power. So we get a fast, but not so manoeuvrable aircraft!

On the contrary, the standard A-9 was not an especially armored aircraft. There were even "light" variant with no external 20mm cannons and lighter bomb racks.

Cheers,

P.S. For the French speaking ones, a short text here on the A-9:

http://www.pbase.com/image/12843660

It's written on this subject that the special A-9/R8 variant lost its extra armor from January 45.

http://www.pbase.com/image/9036172

XyZspineZyX
04-26-2003, 01:22 PM
CHDT wrote:
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- P.S. I'm currently uploading Eric Brown's test on
- the 190A. Link follows soon!
-

Please do.

I've tried F-8 vs A-8 vs K-4. Dive to 700 kph IAS on the deck, then pull elevator. Both F and A are sluggish, compared to the K-4.



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XyZspineZyX
04-26-2003, 01:24 PM
i cant wait to go home and try the f8.
it is really weird. in il2 a5 was the star, a8 somehow differed from it many ways. so, in this case the f8 might be the odd one out?


i have mike spicks book on fw190. it is a great read. do you have it?

do you use the flip trick i mentioned above? i find it not so useful since you bleed to much spped and become an easy target, unless you are far enopugh from the guy on your tail.

ciao

XyZspineZyX
04-26-2003, 01:28 PM
I fear the FW190 on my six oclock. No other plane makes the hairs on the back of my neck go up faster than that beast/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

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XyZspineZyX
04-26-2003, 01:32 PM
Ok, here's the link to the Eric Brown's test on the 190:

http://www.pbase.com/chrisdnt/eric_browns_190_report



This text comes from the book "Wings of the Luftwaffe" I strongly recommend!

Cheers,


P.S. Do not hesitate to spread this link, it can be only good for the 190 fans /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

XyZspineZyX
04-26-2003, 01:33 PM
The only thing wrong with the FW190 is the friggin' forward view! You can't see anything with it!

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XyZspineZyX
04-26-2003, 01:54 PM
SmokeJaguar wrote:
- I fear the FW190 on my six oclock. No other plane
- makes the hairs on the back of my neck go up faster
- than that beast/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif
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-the P39 and 190 make a good match ATM ,they're differant enough to add some spice and simular enough to keep it engaging,i will be looking forward to the dedicated Pony fliers aswell./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif



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XyZspineZyX
04-26-2003, 02:06 PM
"Other opponents, especially the Curtiss P-40s and Bell P-39s, were scarcely able to match the FW 190"

http://www.geocities.com/bookie190/Afrika.htm

Cheers,

XyZspineZyX
04-26-2003, 02:20 PM
maybe so CHDT,but i did enjoy my recent encounters online.
maybe the pilots had something to do with it.?
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XyZspineZyX
04-26-2003, 02:26 PM
Probably, but to judge an aircraft FM, I think it's better not to take in account the pilots capabilities. Because a very good pilot can either use at best the wrong but very powerful FM of an aircraft or he can do his best to minimize the poor but wrong FM of another aircraft. And in both cases, nothing definitive can be said about the aircraft FM's.

Cheers,

XyZspineZyX
04-26-2003, 02:28 PM
Just want to add that historical accounts should not be counted as perfect truth of course, but nevertheless as good indications of what really happened.

Cheers,

XyZspineZyX
04-26-2003, 02:35 PM
Thanks CHDT for the Eric Brown test of the Fw190. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Eric Brown mentioned the Fw190 to have heavy elevator controls. To comment on this, it must be remebered that this test was mostly a comparison to the Spitfire which had extremely light elevators compared to most other fighters. In which case the heavy elevator control of the Fw is only in comparison to the Spitfire.

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XyZspineZyX
04-26-2003, 02:38 PM
I flew the FW190 D9 almost exclusively for about 4 hours online last night. What a great machine. The speed was awesome, and the handling was just fine at speed I thought. The guns/cannon were phenomenal, one blast from 6 was enough to knock almost anything out of the skies. I had enough ammo to carry on a long flight. I've never had such an amazing streak of kills. Best of all was the fact that I almost always made it back to base. A yak on my 6 wasn't near as scary as before. Some slight jinking, and just run away from him.

I think I've found my new favorite mount.

Beergator

XyZspineZyX
04-26-2003, 03:00 PM
The D9 is a speed demon for sure! And I've had plenty of online fights like one you just described, ah, the sweet feeling of invulnerability!/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
04-26-2003, 03:43 PM
"I didn't notice some special zooming abilities, as both P39s and Hurris (by far most popular red rides) were able to pick me up on top of the zoom"

"With current Hurricanes it just isn't smart, as they keep in dives for some (unbelieveable) time with you"

"But it realy bothers me that Hurricanes can run them down"

All of these quotes indicate that people are not flying properly.

< Make shallow dives and shallow climbs. Shallow dive [your best estimate of zero G to unload the wings) is the most efficient way to gain energy. Shallow climbs to take advantage of your high speed energy transfer characteristics.

< Be sure you never open the radiator.

< I do not reccomend flaps ever on anything but A9 and Dora, and only then as speed brakes.

< Deflection shooting is done blind, if you can't hack it then fly a Yak or something and saddle up on people that fly slow. You could get 5, heck even 10, degrees more view lower than now and deflection shooting would still be blind.

In IL2 I did alot of comparative testing of P39N-1 and FW190A4, and when I did some speed tests in FB I found that the P39 was even more slower than in IL2 and overheated quicker. If Hurricanes and P39N-1s are catching your FW190A4 then *you are flying too slow*, *stop flying so slow*, OK?

I know it is very tedious (particularly when solo) to fly fast, but that is what you have to do in a FW190. In early servers especially so because your speed advantage over P39s and Hurricanes isn't so huge that you can blow E left and right and still have the advantage.

It isn't like a 109 where you can zoom away at a steep angle and get a reversal when they stall. The 109 can do that because its climbrate at low speed is so much better than anything elses. The 190's can only outclimb a P39 or Hurricane becasue it is faster, if you climb too steeply then you will lose your speed advantage very quickly. 350kph IAS is absolute minimum, once your speed gets that low it's time to start diving again.

XyZspineZyX
04-26-2003, 04:57 PM
lol /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

once again ... "learn to fly" ...

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XyZspineZyX
04-26-2003, 05:01 PM
Plebanos,
I`m with you dude, fantastic plane. Needs serious joystick adjustment to fly it right. Default seems to be not the case. At least for me.

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XyZspineZyX
04-26-2003, 05:16 PM
From the report:

"Nevertheless, I was pleasantly surprised to find, after clambering into the somewhat narrow cockpit, that the forward view was still rather better, than was offered by the Me109, the spitfire or the Mustang."

Hmm and in FB it's a lot worse than that of the Me109 /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif .

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XyZspineZyX
04-26-2003, 06:08 PM
A5 iss very slow in higher Altitudes.
At 6000m it is not faster as the A4 without higher Boostpressure.

Only 618kmh !

Fly a MIG3U in this altitude and see ...

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XyZspineZyX
04-26-2003, 06:31 PM
Atzebrueck wrote:

- once again ... "learn to fly" ...

yes it was always the same response, we got it also for the G6 of IL2, when it had wrong FM /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

For me, in a 190 i'm a target, with 109's, others are targets /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

XyZspineZyX
04-26-2003, 06:43 PM
In regular il2 my favorite plane was the FW190 and P39. I'd fly the fw190 probably a bit more than i did my p39. Visibility was great. Especially in full real. In FB the Climb rates seem changed. The Turn ratio is reduced. Right now i think the P47 D10 is the king of 1943. Put it up agaist any plane in full real. She sure can dive! . I fly the P47 D10 and D27 mainly now

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XyZspineZyX
04-26-2003, 07:24 PM
Same here!

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Message Edited on 04/26/0306:26PM by M0NS

XyZspineZyX
04-26-2003, 07:29 PM
btw - isn´t she a beauty?

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XyZspineZyX
04-28-2003, 09:04 AM
hi guys, i have sent you the tracks.

this morning i played a bit. there is a good maneuver that can be useful for a9 planes.

plebanos

XyZspineZyX
04-28-2003, 11:37 AM
Mantic_ wrote:
- Plebanos: I'd like those tracks as well, trying to
- learn the 109 and 190 with mixed success..
-
- -
- Thanks!
-
-

MANTIC!

the server sent me a non existing email account notice. pls confirm your email.

thankx

plebi



Message Edited on 05/02/0306:41AM by Tully__

XyZspineZyX
04-28-2003, 12:16 PM
Guys, Fillmore didn't just come in here with "...learn to fly !..." attitude.

Give it a fair chance .If you look his post, you can find some good advice there.

I don't know why exactly, but I was flying my 190 more like 109 recently. This is rather strange, for I've been flying 190 almost exclusively for about 3 years now (in various sims).

You can outclimb slow planes like Hurricanes by shallow dives and shallow climbs. Climb at speed which is his top level speed or higher. This way you will still be climbing while he surely won't.

Have at least 400 kph IAS whenever an enemy is near. 500 kph IAS is even better. Make this your absolute priority. You have no business in flying below these speeds except when reversing from superior energy position.

All maneuvering should be done with speed in mind, even at the cost of altitude.

Always have room to dive. If you don't you'd better be flying with some serious speed (600+ kph IAS).

Forget tracking shots. Snapshots is the only thing you'll ever get (unless you surprise someone).

Go for separation rather than staying close. Stay fast, hit fast and hard. Get out before they know it. Whatever you do, if your speed falls below 400 kph IAS, dive. This should be your absolute priority.

P.S.
High speed elevator authority remains an issue for me.

As for Fillmore's tips, I made a track, go look for "...flying the 190A-4..." post.


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Message Edited on 04/28/0312:18PM by Hristos

XyZspineZyX
04-28-2003, 02:06 PM
Cool track, very good boom and zoom!

XyZspineZyX
04-28-2003, 02:14 PM
I'm the newest member to ya fan club, just started flying it today. did about an hours practice, just chucking the A4 around. it's absoloutly beatiful. D9 is my favorite though. bring on the Mustangs!

"One hound will never catch the rabbit, many hounds, will always catch the rabbit"

Eric Hartmann confusing all who listen....

XyZspineZyX
04-28-2003, 02:15 PM
hi CHDT!

thanks for the compliment - if you mean it to my tracks.

actually, how did you get them? did i send them to you as well?

plébános

XyZspineZyX
04-28-2003, 02:22 PM
Good question, I downloaded it somewhere, but where?

I must put my brain on a slider, I can't remember it! But it was a good job.

Cheers,

XyZspineZyX
04-28-2003, 02:46 PM
In case you are talking about my track, here's the link again:

http://easyweb.globalnet.hr/easyweb/users/ntomlino/uploads/ha.zip

and another very similar:

http://easyweb.globalnet.hr/easyweb/users/ntomlino/uploads/tt.zip

As you can see, that MiG is complicating things badly. All planes have 50% fuel except my A-4, which flies with 100%.

Plebanos, I am interested in your tracks. Can you post them to me ? My email is hristo@fw-190.com. thanks

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XyZspineZyX
04-29-2003, 08:25 AM
CHDT: you are bloody right. 190F8 is the most maneuverable 190 available. it is not so fast but a lot more stable, and the elevator works perfectly in turns and hard pull ups.

plebi

XyZspineZyX
04-29-2003, 12:37 PM
Plebanos wrote:
- CHDT: you are bloody right. 190F8 is the most
- maneuverable 190 available. it is not so fast but a
- lot more stable, and the elevator works perfectly in
- turns and hard pull ups.
-
- plebi

Agree, we can see some strange results in FB /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

XyZspineZyX
04-29-2003, 12:49 PM
nemo, you are the first person who acknowledges this statement. it is weird but true. i will try it online at the weekend. offline works splendid http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

XyZspineZyX
04-29-2003, 12:55 PM
Plebanos wrote:
- nemo, you are the first person who acknowledges this
- statement. it is weird but true. i will try it
- online at the weekend. offline works splendid /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Yes, weird but true /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

XyZspineZyX
04-29-2003, 01:00 PM
Yes, I noticed the fact since the issue of FB and I can't really imagine the reason why it is so. Perhaps the fact that the F-8 has only two cannons in the wing?

So I would really like to have in FB an A-9 with only two cannons in the wings or why not a F-9:

http://fw190.hobbyvista.com/440_382.htm



Cheers,

XyZspineZyX
04-29-2003, 01:12 PM
CHDT wrote:
- Yes, I noticed the fact since the issue of FB and I
- can't really imagine the reason why it is so.
- Perhaps the fact that the F-8 has only two cannons
- in the wing?

There is a try to do, in the 190 choice, you can choose the 190 with only two cannon and the 2 external tanks under the wings,dont remenber the name of the version,

with "control T" you release the two externals tanks, and make a try, but strangely, it dont seems to improve the behavior.

XyZspineZyX
04-29-2003, 01:18 PM
which version is it? the a5? a5s can be stripped of their outer MGs. but i cannot see any dif between having them discarding them.

anyways, f8, rulz.

XyZspineZyX
04-29-2003, 01:28 PM
Plebanos wrote:
- which version is it?

yes, the A5/U8 and effectively you cannot see any dif between having them discarding them.

XyZspineZyX
04-29-2003, 01:28 PM
"it dont seems to improve the behavior. "

Yes, no change in behaviour.

I don't have the weight datas for the F-8, but the attack variant of the A-5, the G-3 had a maximal weight of 5034kg, while the standard A-5 had a maximal weight of 4063kg. So the attack variant of the same plane seemed to weight more and both variants flew with the same engine! Of course, that's the weights with loads, it would be interesting to have empty weights for fighter and attack variants. Are the attack variants lighter, frankly I don't know!

And now in FB the F-8 looks to fly lighter than the A-8!!!!

But we should better be discreet or the F-8 will be corrected according to the A-8 and not the contrary /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

But to say the truth, how the F-8 flies now in FB looks more real according to all the datas I found on the 190 and all that I've read on the subject.

Cheers,




Message Edited on 04/29/0312:40PM by CHDT

XyZspineZyX
04-29-2003, 01:36 PM
CHDT wrote:

- But we should better be discreet or the F-8 will be
- corrected according to the A-8 and not the contrary

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XyZspineZyX
04-29-2003, 01:37 PM
good point on the discretion...http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

actually, has any of tried flying with flaps? is is as good as it was in Il2 or not?

i dont think they generate that enormous lift, but they are still useful sometimes. make the plane more stable in constant turns.

XyZspineZyX
04-29-2003, 03:15 PM
I pretty much fly the A9 exclusively, and love to BnZ. There were a couple of replies in here saying that it isnt a very good BnZ plane. Your right, its a GREAT BnZer!

I usually make most of my passes at 650-800 kph (peices start coming off the wings at 840). I go from 3 or 4K down to the deck and take a shot at 750 kph and climb back to 3k quicker than S%^$. Nobody can ever follow me back up there that fast. I alot of people flying it aroung trying to TnB with other planes, and this is just going to get you killed.

It is very very fast. Yesterday I had it trimmed out at 5000m, and was doing a steady 710kph.

Make sure you have plenty of altitude before you dive in on someone. Don't attempt a BnZ at speeds below 600kph.

I always have it armed with the Mk108's as well, and still manage to manouver very well with it.

XyZspineZyX
04-29-2003, 10:59 PM
Bamatt -

How the heck do you aim at those high speeds?! What's a typical deflection shot angle that come in on your enemies at? (sorry if I'm not using the right terminology - still trying to get it right) How far in front do you have to aim at them at that kind of speed?

XyZspineZyX
04-30-2003, 07:01 AM
Bamatt: do you fly full real with no icons? how the heck can you spot planes from 3000 or 4000 meters? and how come you dont lose visual contact with them having zoomed back up to the yonder?

this beats me.

plebi

XyZspineZyX
04-30-2003, 08:35 AM
i made the mistake of flyin full real with low vis dsitance as to run good gfx my comp can handle, planes would wiz by me and disappear into nothing at 1km pretty much.

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XyZspineZyX
04-30-2003, 09:26 AM
Bamatt wrote:
- I pretty much fly the A9 exclusively, and love to
- BnZ. There were a couple of replies in here saying
- that it isnt a very good BnZ plane. Your right, its
- a GREAT BnZer!
-
- I usually make most of my passes at 650-800 kph
- (peices start coming off the wings at 840). I go
- from 3 or 4K down to the deck and take a shot at 750
- kph and climb back to 3k quicker than S%^$. Nobody
- can ever follow me back up there that fast. I alot
- of people flying it aroung trying to TnB with other
- planes, and this is just going to get you killed.
-
- It is very very fast. Yesterday I had it trimmed out
- at 5000m, and was doing a steady 710kph.
-
- Make sure you have plenty of altitude before you
- dive in on someone. Don't attempt a BnZ at speeds
- below 600kph.
-
- I always have it armed with the Mk108's as well, and
- still manage to manouver very well with it.


I guess you never flew it on FR-servers !?
The bad sight makes it impossible to attack from above with more than 500 km/h IAS.
On medium servers the 190 is a good plane, but on full real servers it is the worst one.

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XyZspineZyX
04-30-2003, 09:26 AM
"I usually make most of my passes at 650-800 kph (peices start coming off the wings at 840)."


On the real 190A, the first vibrations appeared at 860km/h TAS. At that speed, it was only recommended to fire only with the fuselage machine guns! So, the 190 in FB should be able to dive faster without losing pieces.

In FB, at high speeds, the elevator becomes quite ineffective, what mades boom and zoom difficult, except for surprise attacks.

Cheers,

XyZspineZyX
04-30-2003, 09:51 AM
you are right chdt. it is hard to bz in FB. and it makes me wonder how he can actually see a plane from 3k meters?

XyZspineZyX
04-30-2003, 10:42 AM
My 2c on the 190 (D is my fav plane although it's not that good to fight in).

Well on my 15" monitor I gave up on BnZ. I try to stay as fast as I can at low level, however it takes ages to turn and once a guy is behind me, there's no way I'll manage to ever get another at him. So I cruise trying to shoot others while still staying fast.

I hardly get any kills in the FW, though I can survive most of the time. When all you find is Hurricanes turning @ 100-200m alt, you can as well forget about the FW.

BnZ is made dangerous at low alt too because the elevator control, which often prevents me from pulling out of a dive if I gain too much speed. I hate to crash when I've been hit by a guy 5 minutes earlier and it gives him a kill /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

Sometimes when I get too frustrated I jump in a hurri or La7 and I get a few easy kills which pumps up my morale. And then I go back to a 190D and frustration.

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XyZspineZyX
04-30-2003, 10:42 AM
Boom/zoom at 650/800 kmph /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

It seem to me that its impossible to aim anything at this speed, especially with the cockpit on and no icon.

XyZspineZyX
04-30-2003, 11:53 AM
yeah, no one can aim at that spaceship speed in FR. nd with cockpit.

plebi

XyZspineZyX
04-30-2003, 12:44 PM
FW190F-9...drool! I want it badly!


It sure would be nice to have *all of the weapons loadouts* for the Focke-Wulf ground pounders. We haven't even scratched the surface with what we have in FB currently.

I want Panzerblitz rockets!!!/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

The F-8 is an awesome dogfighter down low!


Remember, alot of FW Jabo pilots also became air-to-air aces. On both the Eastern and Mediteranean fronts.

Good lord I love Focke-Wulfs. I just can't help it. I need professional help.

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XyZspineZyX
04-30-2003, 12:48 PM
No, this isn't on a FR server. I dont fly on FR servers very much, only when there is nothing else up. I'm not manly enough for FR servers. Aiming at that speed isnt easy, I never said it was. I miss all the time and have to go back up. Also, on the non FR servers its pretty easy to spot people. Also if I see tracers off in the distance I just head in that direction. Deflection shooting at that speed is non-existant. I shoot right when they are .2 and less away from me. I get a .5 second crack shot when they are right in my crosshairs. If I hit them, thats all it takes with 2 20mm's and 2 30mm's.

Just yesterday I was diving on a Yak at that speed and just when I was getting ready to shoot, he made slight deviation from his flight path, and I buzzed right on by with no shot at all.

XyZspineZyX
04-30-2003, 12:57 PM
I asked for some others advices in a mini poll around me :
It appear that the better Focke is the F8 too /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

FW190fan wrote:
- The F-8 is an awesome dogfighter down low!


Oleg, what happen in FB with the FW ??? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

XyZspineZyX
04-30-2003, 01:09 PM
surely it is. i just hope it wont be patched pretty soon. the way it is now, it took me frigging long time to figure out which fw is the best. now i got it..http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

cheers.

XyZspineZyX
05-01-2003, 07:35 PM
i flew f8 today. it flew like an angel. climb and turn magnificiently!

it is the best fw in the game now!

cheers

XyZspineZyX
05-01-2003, 07:42 PM
I've just started flying the A4 offline and I love it!!!!I never mastered it in IL2 but now i'm startingto get the hang of it it's great!Havnt tried the other models yet,which is the best to move on to?

"Give me the gun and ask me again..."

XyZspineZyX
05-01-2003, 07:50 PM
Is there really that big a FM difference between the F-8 and A-8? They are basically the same plane but had the outboard MG151/20 removed on the F-8. Did the F-8s have additional armour added as on the earlier F models?

Does one see such a difference in the FM between a standard Messysh!t 109G and the 'gunbus' Messysh!t?

XyZspineZyX
05-05-2003, 01:44 PM
yo, there is a huge dif between a8 and f8 as of today in the game. they fly totally differently, f8 behaves more like an a8 and vice versa....

weird but good...
plebi

XyZspineZyX
05-05-2003, 02:20 PM
Interesting thing has happened to me with FB and FWs.

After indulging in the much anticipated new and interesting versions of the FW, I am rediscovering the FW 190 A-5.

The other versions all seem to have narrower signatures which emphasize one thing at the expense of others. The A-5 is more balanced. It gives up some speed, but compensates for it with its nimbleness and firepower (love the 4 cannons). You must maintain better situational awareness in it than some others since you can't just turn on the gas and run, but you can maneuver in it like you can't in others if you get stuck: and you can also hang longer on the tail of a maneuvering target (provided the situation allows) to deliver the final blast than you can in the other FWs.

Bottom line is that I am surprised myself, but I find myself choosing the A-5 more often than other versions. It's a particularly a good ride on servers where there are a lot of Hurricanes.



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XyZspineZyX
05-05-2003, 03:05 PM
Cuchulain_Uisna wrote:

- Does one see such a difference in the FM between a
- standard Messysh!t 109G and the 'gunbus' Messysh!t?


Milo,

Please stop reffering to the Messerschmitt as the "Messysh!t".

It's gotten old(not all that funny in the first place) and it just makes you look dumb.



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XyZspineZyX
05-05-2003, 07:24 PM
Actually I've done this only once - hitting a plane when it's below the FOV of the cockpit - it was the greatest feeling ever seeing those flames leap up in front of me!

XyZspineZyX
05-05-2003, 07:52 PM
The 190A with icons on is usually dead meat.
The Dora however is not.
It's second best to he K-4 as a newbie a/c but if you give it a chance and fly it for more than five minutes I gurranty you'll begin to greatly appreciate this bird.
It's exciting to finally fly a 190 and don't feel disadvantaged.
And for the first time the quick roll blends in with the turning and stall characteristics that it finally becomes an asset you can use.
People who give the Dora a go are usually people who had previously been flying the K-4 and are at first put off by the inferior climb.
Just give it a chance and you'll see it's one of the most balanced and nice a/c to fly.
And it's much much more manouvrable at high speeds than the unbelievably sluggish 190A who feel like you elevator has been shot off at that speed.
A very strange thing with the Dora is that it's engine and speed suddenly go 'BANG' at 3400m above sea level.
Top speed suddenly jumps from 620 to 700K.



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XyZspineZyX
05-05-2003, 08:37 PM
well to recover from a stall is quite easy ain´t it...just relax...dont touch the stick before plane is back to "flying-speed"....

"Ice"

XyZspineZyX
05-05-2003, 08:49 PM
This is not always true.
If the stall is the result of pulling back on the stick too fast or too much it's pretty straightforward.
But if you lose it while turning in the vertical and rolling fast at the same time it can be pretty nasty.
Apart from the improved spin recovery compared to the 190 in Il-2, the most important thing is to avoid the stall in the first place.
Stalling in the middle of a dogfight is the last thing I want to happen to me, apart of course from being engaged by more than one enemy at the same time.

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XyZspineZyX
05-07-2003, 07:26 PM
I totally agree, once you get the hang on how to use her, it's a damn good bird. I was once a member of a local gliding club, one of the members a german called Horse flew them late in WW2. Untill that is the Luftwaffe ran out of fuel and he had the stark choice of joining the SS or the Paratroopers. He chose the later and was captured in the Normandy landings, transfered to a POW camp in Lincolnshire where he has lived ever since.
Anyway back to the topical subject, i never heared him say anything bad about his FW-190. The main thing that i have found with the plane is keep you speed up, be paitent and you will do well with the "Wolf".
Bearing in mind that i'm only a self taught fighter jock, i've never had a problem with it, it just requires a little (alot of ) tenderness on the joystick to bring out it's attibutes.

XyZspineZyX
05-07-2003, 08:09 PM
I'll stick with the A9. I can put 108's on it, and I can fly at 100% power with the boost on the whole sortie and I wont overheat. I just like the big radial engines. I dont DF either so I the A9 suits me just fine.

XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 08:09 AM
hi people,

please tell me how my beloved fw190 behaves in the beta patch. i did not manage to DL it.

is it any better? how does it turn and climbs? the elevator is stil cemented above 450 IAS?


cheers

plébános

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Erich Hartmann

XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 08:29 AM
I love my A9. Semi-Fast, It's got the nice 20mm's and the awsome mk108's, and it just dishes out so much firepower. I wait until i get a clear shot and boooom so much lead in the air its unbelieveable. Caint wait until the patch fixes the high speed elevator, as that is my only complaint. When i first started on it, i got chewed to all hell and back (cause i fly alone) but once youg et used ot it, and learn her, The Anton is a wonderful plane. I will *always* fly a 190A unless they are not availible. However, i dont like the A5. There is just something about it, i dont know what. I usually take an A4 over an A5.


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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 08:57 AM
Don't worry Plebanos, it will be improved.



Roger that BS87:

Some say God created the Mustang. Well, if the Devil created a plane it would be the FW-190A-9(R2) /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif . You can punish them with 2 13mm machine guns and 2 20mm cannons, and then send them into a thousand different directions with 2 MK-108's. But like you said BS87, I wait until I'm right on top of them and then send them to hell. I love the A-5 though, the speed advantage over the A-4 is huge (especially at very low altitude).

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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 09:50 AM
Yup love the 190. I may not rack up the kills but it almost allways gets me home alive. After all thats what counts isnt it?

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