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SeaVee
06-30-2007, 07:05 AM
BoxMike did a very nice 4:55 video clip. The musical score is excellent too.

Make sure to notice the AI "peel off" maneuvres at 1:53 into the clip.

The video is with BoB2 vers. 2.06 and some is the stock terrain as well as the summer terrain mod.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0ieKzmAZgM

Xiolablu3
06-30-2007, 07:20 AM
Beautiful mate...http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


If you want my criticism then I still think that the .303's are a bit overdone. Those are some big explosions for just .303 bullets hitting a bomber, looks more like 20mm to me.

Please take it constructively.

SeaVee
06-30-2007, 09:01 AM
Constructive comments/criticism/feedback always welcome.

Yep, the superb visual damage modelling in the IL2 series is something I really appreciate and miss when playing Bob2.

I think the degree of smoke/explosion effects in BoB2 from gunfire is also affected by whether one chooses "realistic" or "hollywood" effects in the install configuration option (see bob2_config file in the main BoB2 folder - one can run this any time to change from one to the other). Most people pick the hollywood effects but I can see where some may find them a bit exaggerated. I kind of like them myself most of the time since scoring a kill is not all that frequent.

More varied and realistic visual damage texturing, etc. - if we are lucky even mildly approaching that in IL2 is on the "to do" list for 2.07.

Another big objective is finally, (hopefully) enabling multiplayer. The Devs got a new volunteer with pretty strong MP coding experience and they are all working actively on it now. Keeping my fingers crossed.

BigC208
06-30-2007, 09:09 AM
Dude! You gotto get rid of Rosie Hussein. Makes me puke everytime I read you otherwise helpfull and informative posts.

BillyTheKid_22
06-30-2007, 09:46 AM
Great video!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

leitmotiv
06-30-2007, 10:17 AM
SUPERB. Yes, the Hollywood setting is excessive. Frankly, I find the "realistic" setting more factual than Maddox when you compare tracks with period guncam film.

stalkervision
06-30-2007, 10:33 AM
Originally posted by leitmotiv:
SUPERB. Yes, the Hollywood setting is excessive. Frankly, I find the "realistic" setting more factual than Maddox when you compare tracks with period guncam film.


agreed... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Mysticpuma2003
06-30-2007, 11:14 AM
Formations make this stand out head-and-shoulders above IL2, they look like a world of hurt!

I like the explosions, they look powerful and destructive compared to the generic ones we have in IL2, so I give them a thumbs up.

I really like the way the planes peel away behind the players plane (from the cockpit view), that's a stand out moment.

I know that there is less camera possibilities in BoB, and that's a shame. Being able to add static cameras, replay tracks, etc, has made IL2 the Movie-makers favourite just for the variety of things that can be done, so hopefully this could be improved (and maybe more films will happen?).

The only thing that disappoints me is the plane textures, they look bland in comparison to IL2, so maybe that could be improved, but `I would say that the sky and clouds p*** all over IL2, as well as the draw distance with ground explosions and building being visible from a long way up.

Nice video showing of BoB:WoV, cheers, MP.

3.JG51_BigBear
06-30-2007, 11:31 AM
Great movie. Really shows off some of the best elements of BOB 2. I have to admit I hated it when it first came out but this latest revamp has made it a world class sim.

In Il2 I feel like I'm flying an airplane, in BOB 2 I feel like I'm actually in a full on air battle. I hope that Oleg's Battle of Britain can somehow merge the gap between the two sims.

The massive formations, realistic radio chatter, better tracer effects (on realistic) and difficulty in scoring hits and kills creates way more immersion than IL2.

3.JG51_BigBear
06-30-2007, 11:32 AM
PS AI in BOB is about a 1000% better than Il2's.

boxmike
06-30-2007, 12:15 PM
Full stop plz!

It's a dangerous heading this discussion is taking. I was very moved to see the civilized and honest take in
http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/9611044955

Sim developers certainly benefit from these discussions and in the end it's us getting the benefit http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I collected a series of sequences fom WoV, played as a cameraman and in the end selected music. Which I was bloody scared to do because it is not mine. Just to remind about copyrights.
And in the end, from somewhere came a thought into my mind, why not to offer the stuff as a thankyou for the whole community, for the development work they have done to enhance the experience.
Same has been done by IL-2 community, wonderful movies around. IL-2 has been many times in my studio software, both IL-2 and BoBIIWoV represent a point where WWII sim graphics are really worthy to be captured and refined for movies.

For the detail level, here comes the disclaimer:
I fought with BoBII same fight as with Black Death track in IL-2, with frame rates. But the truth is, the result is exactly what you can expect from my rig: Sempron 3000+ cheap *, 1.5GB DDR2, 333MHz bus, 80GB+160GB HD. MoBo is now 3-4 yrs old K7S8XE. 8X AGP with latest purchase of Radeon x850.
Basically, using my video in a comparison may not be very logical, not at least by the fact that maximum details were out of question.
And in the end, it was not created for comparison usage, only a simple thanks to community.
Definitely SeaVee's purpose was not any comparison, thx m8 anyways for promotion http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Rgds,

- box

Xiolablu3
06-30-2007, 12:23 PM
Its not really just the effects I think should be toned down with the .303's.

I think they should be a bit less powerful.

I dont see much difference betweem the MGFF oon 109's and the .303 on RAF planes.

3.JG51_BigBear
06-30-2007, 01:05 PM
Originally posted by boxmike:
Full stop plz!

It's a dangerous heading this discussion is taking. I was very moved to see the civilized and honest take in
http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/9611044955

Sim developers certainly benefit from these discussions and in the end it's us getting the benefit http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I collected a series of sequences fom WoV, played as a cameraman and in the end selected music. Which I was bloody scared to do because it is not mine. Just to remind about copyrights.
And in the end, from somewhere came a thought into my mind, why not to offer the stuff as a thankyou for the whole community, for the development work they have done to enhance the experience.
Same has been done by IL-2 community, wonderful movies around. IL-2 has been many times in my studio software, both IL-2 and BoBIIWoV represent a point where WWII sim graphics are really worthy to be captured and refined for movies.

For the detail level, here comes the disclaimer:
I fought with BoBII same fight as with Black Death track in IL-2, with frame rates. But the truth is, the result is exactly what you can expect from my rig: Sempron 3000+ cheap *, 1.5GB DDR2, 333MHz bus, 80GB+160GB HD. MoBo is now 3-4 yrs old K7S8XE. 8X AGP with latest purchase of Radeon x850.
Basically, using my video in a comparison may not be very logical, not at least by the fact that maximum details were out of question.
And in the end, it was not created for comparison usage, only a simple thanks to community.
Definitely SeaVee's purpose was not any comparison, thx m8 anyways for promotion http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Rgds,

- box

Point taken.

I have just gotten back into BOB 2 and I'm very excited about their most recent developments. Its a nice stable mate to Il2 and I enjoy having them both.

SeaVee
06-30-2007, 04:37 PM
Yes, ABSOLUTELY this is not intented to be a comparison thread - lets not make it so. Both are fantastic sims and both do great things in their own rights.

Its a shame these YOUTUBE videos lose so much visual quality due to the compression and low resolution.... Watching Faith, Hope, Charity, Not My Time To Die and Pictures of War in all their full hi- res glory is stunning to behold. For anyone that wants to see BoxMike's video in high resolution here it is (254MB): http://s22.quicksharing.com/v/6124867/BoBII.mpg.html

PS: I keep forgetting to clear the Rosie O'Donnell signature pic - sorry.

stalkervision
06-30-2007, 09:18 PM
Originally posted by 3.JG51_BigBear:
PS AI in BOB is about a 1000% better than Il2's.


with the 2.6.1 patch make that 2000% better! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif These damn ai pilots truly know their stuff! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif Even the Hurricane pilots are giving me a pasting now.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

I am thinking of cutting back on the ai combat skill levels for the first time ever in any sim.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif

I have heard a BOB2 multiplayer is in the works now. All I can say is I hope so so I can get a chance to fly agains't lower skill "human players".. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Getting mighty sick of patching all these new bullet holes in my 109.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

trumper
07-01-2007, 04:11 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gifI downloaded the large version last night,took ages but it's a keeper,well worth it.The wife walked past and watched it and said"is that the new game you wanted" meaning SOW .I said no it the one i have now.She then said it's just likethe the BoB film, http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

buddye1
07-01-2007, 12:16 PM
Originally posted by Xiolablu3:
Beautiful mate...http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


If you want my criticism then I still think that the .303's are a bit overdone. Those are some big explosions for just .303 bullets hitting a bomber, looks more like 20mm to me.

Please take it constructively.

No Problem, we like all customer feedback. Two things in the GUI (Options->Sim->Game) set your target size to "low" as the default is medium. The degree of smoke/explosion effects in BoB2 from gunfire is also affected by whether one chooses "realistic" or "hollywood" effects in the install configuration option (see bob2_config file in the main BoB2 folder - one can run this any time to change from one to the other). Most people pick the hollywood effects but I can see where some may find them a bit exaggerated. I kind of like them myself most of the time since scoring a kill is not all that frequent.


Second , here is some data that SeaVee took for a book. Seems the the 303's had a good track record in BOB.

Here is one interesting excerpt from Dr, Stephen Bungay's The Most Dangerous Enemy, Chapter 15 "The Numbers Game". This book is considered by many to be THE most detailed and accurate account of the real BoB ever written. He has amazingly detailed and reasoned analysis of virtually every aspect of the battle - the planes, pilots, strategies, intelligence, etc.

The following is a portion concerning the RAF's relative effectiveness against the LW Bombers. He is specifically analyzing loss rates on various A/C that actually were HIT by RAF fighters to see how lethal those actually hit were. He also specifically analyzed the actual lethality of the RAF fighter's .303 rifle-caliber machine guns - which was for two reasons: They had eight of them firing simultaneously which on convergence especially caused significant damage and also many were using a unique type of incendiary munition. He analyzed in depth statistics during a portion of the real Battle of Britain. He specifically cross-referenced both the RAF claims and the LW's after-action reports and analysis of their OWN real losses in this regard so he was dealing with ACTUAL real losses, not claims:

"The pattern of the losses is revealing. British fighters hit 100 bombers (including 17 from reconnaissance units). If we assume they were also primarily responsible for the remaining operational losses, the total rises to 114. Of these no less than 80 were destroyed, 70% of the total. This is a slightly higher ratio of destroyed to damaged machines than that achieved by the Bf109s against British fighters (63%). Even if we just take bombers KNOWN to be victims of fighter attack, the ratio is the same. It is telling testament to Sorley's eight (.303) machine guns, and also probably reflects the behavior in typical fighter pilots of concentrating on a damaged aircraft - easier to hit and offering the chance of a definite 'kill'.

..... But the aircraft most vulnerable of all to the guns of the British fighters was the Bf109. RAF pilots managed to get a bead on 70 of them, and of those they destroyed 54, some 77%, a markedly higher destruction ratio than the 63% which the Bf109s achieved in return. This may be because damaged machines had further to fly to make it home and force-landed in England or ditched and were lost. But it also looks as if the Spitfires and Hurricanes were even more deadly than the Bf109 itself, and that in fighter combat their eight Brownings were at least as destructive as the two cannon and two machine guns of the Bf109E.

These figures may reflect the fact that the British were using a unique type of incendiary ammunition. Two inventors, a Belgian called de Wilde and a Swiss called Kaufman, demonstrated an incendiary round in 1938, and the Air Ministry bought the design. Captain Dixon of the Royal Arsenal was not very impressed with it, however, and designed from scratch one of his own which was in production by May 1940. The original name was kept to make the Germans think it was the old de Wilde bullet. It impressed Dowding who observed it was extremely popular with pilots, who attributed to it almost magical properties."

leitmotiv
07-01-2007, 12:30 PM
Believe me, the .303s do not effect aircraft like 20mm MGFF---that's just the "Hollywood" visual settings. If you are using "Realistic" the visual effect of a concentrated .303 pattern is a cloud of smoke. The Realistic visual settings look very much like the real B of Brit RAF guncam film I have on a DVD.