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tempest_tamer
12-14-2007, 08:49 AM
Hello everyone,

I play Il2 For some years now,
but recently I got myself a new joystick and it's a bit too sensible in my opinion.
With the slightest move I make I can get stalled, and I'm not used to that.
So maybe one of you could give me a stable joystick settings and where I have to put them in...
Thx

Tmptamer

FoolTrottel
12-14-2007, 11:28 AM
Will depend on what stick you've got, and to personal preference...

Try IL2-Sticks, or IL2 Joycontrol to edit the sensitivity settings.
See my sig for download links...

(IL2-Sticks comes with some profiles, so you can try different settings...)

Good Luck!

Xiolablu3
12-14-2007, 12:01 PM
I recommend the most sensible settings...


1,3,6,11,18,26 etc moving from long low curve to short high curve.

That means slight movements on the stick wont move the stick so much, but larger movements have more effect.

Search teh forum for 'Olegs joystick settings' if you really need every single setting, but you can get the iea from the numbers I posted above.

Swivet
12-14-2007, 10:46 PM
Here's a direct link to the IL2-Joy CTRL Program (http://myweb.cableone.net/decon14/files/IL2-JoyCtrl.zip), as stated above, it covers all aspects of your J-stick settings..

LEBillfish
12-14-2007, 10:58 PM
Originally posted by Xiolablu3:
I recommend the most sensible settings...

1,3,6,11,18,26 etc moving from long low curve to short high curve.

That means slight movements on the stick wont move the stick so much, but larger movements have more effect.

Search teh forum for 'Olegs joystick settings' if you really need every single setting, but you can get the iea from the numbers I posted above.

I actually disagree with this very much.............Here is why from an older post of mine:


Originally posted by LEBillfish:
Now I may have this wrong yet believe I do not.....

Yet the numbers represent the "percentage" of travel of that "percentage" of area....So, at 100 across the board, you're actually seeing how the stick works on it's own.

Ok, that said, if you reduce the first stick input to 10, the second to 20....In reality you're getting 1% movement (1/10th of 10%), in the second getting with 100 20% movement, yet with 20 you're getting 4% movement.

So a stick set up at 10,20,30,40....100 really gets you: 1%, 4%, 9%, 16%, 25%, 36%.....100% of actual movement.

So it ends up being a very nasty curve that though you want sensitivity at the bottom end, you want a bit of buffer at the top....Yet in reality you're getting this at the top...64%, 81%, 100%......That's a rather sharp increase right when you're riding the planes edge of stall...So it suddenly ramps up when you least want it to....Hence causing you to stall.

My advice would be, work backwards....last number 100, then perhaps -3, -4, -5, -6....So going backwards works out to 100, 97, 93, 88, 82, etc....

What happens then is, when you're least worried about stalling you have response vs. safety...When most concerned with stalling you have a gentle control. SO just tossing out those numbers it looks like this...Though you need to try and suit it to you:

35,46,56,67,75,82,88,93,97,100

SO the incrament gets gentler when things start to get touchy.....That way you don't get a sudden lurch of movement as you panic and begin to yank back.

Want real life?.......Real life says the nembers should be the same straight across...All 100's, or all 30's hard to say, as your joystick does not have the mechanical feel of the real thing (feedback), and the flight models may very well exceed the planes actual ability (our 100% throw may well be 170% for all we know)........Lastly, you're working with a roughly 10" lever giving you perhaps a 20:1 ratio of movement based on the pivot point. A real fighter had perhaps a 24+" lever with perhaps a 6:1 ratio....What that means is, your stick should be more precise right?...Well perhaps, yet you don't have that back pressure, you also have no feel, yet most of all though we can move with a surgeons dexterity when we need, in a combat sim we're yanking like a lumberjack....More so, vs. say a 1'R. of travel, we're working with maybe 4"....So in the end, our sticks are much more sensitive as we can't control them as easily.

That is why I believe it was "Mr.Brown" found our settings so extreme...By the time he was done, the stick barely moved at at through full throw, as a gamers joystick is much more sensitive.

So what's the answer.....Well, set the joystick to Mr.Brown's settings and you'll never be able to compete online....Realistic perhaps, yet we need a compromise.

100% across the board is better then 10,20,30, etc....I flew for a while at max being instead of 100 like 89, and was a demon (thinking of trying it again)....However to start off, I suggest the above a gradual increase in the amount of drop WORKING BACKWARDS...Ailerons set moderately, elevator as well....Rudder you can set virtually all 100's, or very aggressive your last (first) 4 numbers maybe 70.

However, the low numbers at the bottom don't work unless you are having trouble lining up shots....hence less deflection per % of movement (lower numbers)...yet will be more sensitive with the wider gaps.


p.s. my current settings......

[rts_joystick]
X=0 1 4 9 16 25 36 49 64 81 100 0
Y=0 1 4 9 16 25 36 49 64 81 100 0
Z=0 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100
RZ=0 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100 0
FF=0
U=0 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100 0
V=0 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100 0
1X=2 46 48 51 55 60 66 73 81 90 100 20******Mine
1Y=2 40 42 45 49 54 60 67 75 84 94 20******Mine
1RZ=3 43 46 50 55 61 68 70 79 89 100 20******Mine
1U=0 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 0
1V=0 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 0

TheGozr
12-15-2007, 12:35 AM
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tempest_tamer
12-15-2007, 11:59 AM
Ok, thank you, I will use the LEBillfish settings as they are less sensible for the slight movements (or so I understood).

Thx for your answers! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

heywooood
12-15-2007, 12:02 PM
womens settings are always less sensible...


..wait...were we talking about joysticks?...

Xiolablu3
12-15-2007, 02:44 PM
Bill, you say the settings I suggested are not so good, and suggest your 'better' ones, and then go on to show your own settings as the same style I suggested in my post!! (Low curve slowly leading to fast high curve)

Whats going on , Hun? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

Xiolablu3
12-15-2007, 02:47 PM
Originally posted by tempest_tamer:
Ok, thank you, I will use the LEBillfish settings as they are less sensible for the slight movements (or so I understood).

Thx for your answers! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


The settings Billfish suggests in her post will make things MORE sensitive.


MORE sensitve than default=

1X=2 46 48 51 55 60 66 73 81 90 100 20******Mine
1Y=2 40 42 45 49 54 60 67 75 84 94 20******Mine
1RZ=3 43 46 50 55 61 68 70 79 89 100 20******Mine

The settings she actually has in the first 3 lines are how I suggested them and will make things less sensitive (its sensitive not 'sensible' by the way http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif)

Less sensive and better for you =

X=0 1 4 9 16 25 36 49 64 81 100 0
Y=0 1 4 9 16 25 36 49 64 81 100 0
Z=0 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100

tempest_tamer
12-17-2007, 06:01 AM
ok, that's what i've got,

Thx for the help

LEBillfish
12-17-2007, 07:10 AM
Xiolablu3, sorry yet I disagree....and what I use not ideal for all simply what I use, yet yours using X as an example are VASTLY more prone to those surprise stalls, as it is the ramp of the curve when on that twitchy edge that makes the difference.

As I explained:
So a stick set up at 10,20,30,40....100 really gets you: 1%, 4%, 9%, 16%, 25%, 36%.....100% of actual movement.

So it ends up being a very nasty curve that though you want sensitivity at the bottom end, you want a bit of buffer at the top....Yet in reality you're getting this at the top...64%, 81%, 100%......That's a rather sharp increase right when you're riding the planes edge of stall...So it suddenly ramps up when you least want it to....Hence causing you to stall.

Now want better then that, so you have less chance of a stall, then X looks like this:

55 60 65 70 75 80 85 90 95 100

That translates into a much gentler transition, so when nearing limits most prone to stalling you don't see radical jumps like you're showing (1 4 9 16 25 36 49 64 81 100 p.s. you're missing a number) as in reality stick deflection at that critical time actually is:

For mine:
81 90 100 (64.8% 81% 100%)

5 point spread shown above:
90 95 100 (72% 85.5% 100%)

Yours:
64 81 100 (51.2% 72.9% 100%)

So you see how suddenly you have the fast ramping....However, all 100's accross the board simply make it too twitchy to use, so we compromise....Yet in the lower ranges, I'm not going to stall, so I can be more aggressive (which I'm not showing for mine as or suggest as the stick then becomes too twitchy for my tastes, so I compromise ending around 50, keeping control between points when low (near center) yet having a smaller gap then most up high).

If you want purely less sensitive up high still using a ramping curve, then it would be this

9 22 34 45 55 64 82 89 95 100
(+13 +12 +11 +10 +9 +8 +7 +6 +5)

twitchy near center smoothing out toward the edge.....To do it opposite making the possibility of stalling greater.

In the end, simply copy to notepad your various settings, and try it out any number of ways saving the old and making notes.....I'm constantly adjusting mine, and will no doubt do so again.