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WTE_Ibis
02-10-2006, 04:13 AM
Well I don't know what all the whining about the D0335 is about, it can't catch the P51, '44 on the deck, and yes "I got track " http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
Small "oops" at the end.
Had been in that position some minutes before hitting "record"!


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WTE_Ibis
02-10-2006, 04:13 AM
Well I don't know what all the whining about the D0335 is about, it can't catch the P51, '44 on the deck, and yes "I got track " http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
Small "oops" at the end.
Had been in that position some minutes before hitting "record"!


http://s22.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2YW8FIHULOO7N2X0ZAEW02NWK3

ImpStarDuece
02-10-2006, 04:57 AM
Level speed test. QMB, noon, 100% fuel, Crimea map, 10m alt, radiators closed.

Do-335 A0: 621 kph.

P-51D-5: 602 kph.

joeap
02-10-2006, 05:00 AM
Thing is the Do-335 loses speed pretty easily so a smart opponent could take advantage of that.

SeaFireLIV
02-10-2006, 05:04 AM
I think a lot of people fall into the trap of `new `44-`45 plane - experimental therefore it must be a modern day F16!

It`s STILL an aircraft of yesteryear. It`s still just made by Humans. It`s still going to have weaknesses, as it should. As everything has. There`s no such thing as a `beat everything` aircraft, no matter how many people brainwash themselves into thinking so.

PBNA-Boosher
02-10-2006, 05:07 AM
Still, the Do-335 is fun to fly and it ROCKS! What's it armament? Is that two 20mm and a 30mm? And All that ammo!

OldMan____
02-10-2006, 05:24 AM
You don´t need to catch him. Wait until it gets level (you amy even reduce speed to make him feel more confortable). Then aim aim and make a single mk103 shot at 800 m

anarchy52
02-10-2006, 05:51 AM
Do-335 has the best cockpit in the game, be sure http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I'm slightly disappointed with it's performance...about the same level I'm surprised at Tempest's performance (turn rate to be more specific).

Do-335 was very manuverable in turns according to test pilots, although I haven't seen any specific figures on turn rate. Wing profile suggests high lift, and counter rotating props ensure docile low speed characteristics (this is true in game).
However there are some things that contradict the official data:
- arnament consisted of MK103 and MG151 (15mm) which had similar balistics (high muzzle velocity). In game it seems to have MK108 and MG151/20 (20mm). Both weapons exist in game (MK103 - Go-229 and FW-190 gunpods, MG151 Bf-109 F2 nose cannon)
- turn rate is not impressive, although I haven't seen any concrete data on turn times, I wonder why would pilots would praise the turn rate of a plane that turns similar to P-47 (arguably the worst turning prop fighter of WWII)
- one of the main highlights from test flights of Do-335 was excellent acceleration, however in game it's nothing to write home about.

These are just impressions as I haven't done any precise testing and analysis yet, so my impressions might not be correct.

OldMan____
02-10-2006, 05:54 AM
It is equiped with mk103 in game. Just test it plese. Then make same test with a 109 mk108 and you will see it is different (compleltey different trajectory).

The mg151 altough SEEMS to be 20 mm.

Cippacometa
02-10-2006, 05:56 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by anarchy52:
- arnament consisted of MK103 and MG151 (15mm) which had similar balistics (high muzzle velocity). In game it seems to have MK108 and MG151/20 (20mm). Both weapons exist in game (MK103 - Go-229 and FW-190 gunpods, MG151 Bf-109 F2 nose cannon) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Bump!

me410jr
02-10-2006, 06:01 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WTE_Ibis:
Well I don't know what all the whining about the D0335 is about, it can't catch the P51, '44 on the deck, and yes "I got track " http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
Small "oops" at the end.
Had been in that position some minutes before hitting "record"!
i dont know where you got thoes speeds but the do335 has a 736 kph top speed and the p51d has a 721 kph top speed all found here
www.tarrif.net (http://www.tarrif.net)
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me410jr
02-10-2006, 06:03 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WTE_Ibis:
Well I don't know what all the whining about the D0335 is about, it can't catch the P51, '44 on the deck, and yes "I got track " http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
Small "oops" at the end.
Had been in that position some minutes before hitting "record"!
i dont know where you go that info but the d0335 has a 736 kph top speed and the p51d has a 721 kph top speed found here\
www.tarrif.net (http://www.tarrif.net)


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anarchy52
02-10-2006, 06:15 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by OldMan____:
It is equiped with mk103 in game. Just test it plese. Then make same test with a 109 mk108 and you will see it is different (compleltey different trajectory).

The mg151 altough SEEMS to be 20 mm. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I got an impression it's MK108 not MK103:
- sound is MK108
- rof is higher then MK103
- trajectory compared to cowling mounted MG151/20

MK103 in game is featured in FW-190 gunpods and Go-229, check it out and you will be sure it's not mk103 that is in our Do-335.

For 20mm:

- Blue tracers are dead giveaway, so is the HE effect on target (I'll check out Bf-109F2 to see if maybe MG151 graphics have changed or added HE in loadout)

jds1978
02-10-2006, 06:45 AM
impressive AC...very stable with lots of firepower...

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I think a lot of people fall into the trap of `new `44-`45 plane - experimental therefore it must be a modern day F16! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

agree 25,000%

StG2_Schlachter
02-10-2006, 07:33 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by anarchy52:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by OldMan____:
It is equiped with mk103 in game. Just test it plese. Then make same test with a 109 mk108 and you will see it is different (compleltey different trajectory).

The mg151 altough SEEMS to be 20 mm. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I got an impression it's MK108 not MK103:
- sound is MK108
- rof is higher then MK103
- trajectory compared to cowling mounted MG151/20

MK103 in game is featured in FW-190 gunpods and Go-229, check it out and you will be sure it's not mk103 that is in our Do-335.

For 20mm:

- Blue tracers are dead giveaway, so is the HE effect on target (I'll check out Bf-109F2 to see if maybe MG151 graphics have changed or added HE in loadout) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You are wrong. The sound is definetly MK103. The best gunsound in the game btw.
Tracers are correct as well (MK103 white - like in the Do335, MK108 yellow - like Bf-109G and K). Look at the trajectory of the shells and their velocity. Compare it to the MK108 - big difference.

About the 20mm. Tracers are blue, but damage is like MG151/15.

Doug_Thompson
02-10-2006, 07:40 AM
IIRC, the test pilots praised Do335 manueverability and acceleration as very good €" for a two-engined aircraft. They weren't comparing it to top-notch single-engined fighters, I believe.

Unknown-Pilot
02-10-2006, 07:43 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by anarchy52:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by OldMan____:
It is equiped with mk103 in game. Just test it plese. Then make same test with a 109 mk108 and you will see it is different (compleltey different trajectory).

The mg151 altough SEEMS to be 20 mm. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I got an impression it's MK108 not MK103:
- sound is MK108
- rof is higher then MK103
- trajectory compared to cowling mounted MG151/20

MK103 in game is featured in FW-190 gunpods and Go-229, check it out and you will be sure it's not mk103 that is in our Do-335.

For 20mm:

- Blue tracers are dead giveaway, so is the HE effect on target (I'll check out Bf-109F2 to see if maybe MG151 graphics have changed or added HE in loadout) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sounds like the 103s from the 229 to me. I'm fairly certain it is indeed a 103. Which I see as a design flaw. A 108 would have been easier to use, and probably lighter too. Actually, 3 20s, instead of 2 15s and 1 30, would have been the best option. Though I'm sure they could have gotten away with 4 20s in something that large. (or 2 15s and 2 20s maybe)

It's acceleration is quite poor, top speed isn't all that high, and yes, it's turn rate is almost certainly less than what it ought to be (as anyone with a clear mind and capability for rational thought can see), but it was really to be expected.

Just like it was to be expected that so many red-whiners would start crying about it, regardless of how it was modeled.

Dash_C.
02-10-2006, 07:43 AM
This thing is faster than a Ta-152 at altitude, and ImpStarDeuce's test is in line with what I got out of it at sea level.

anasteksi
02-10-2006, 08:27 AM
i love that rollrate at 600km/h http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

gx-warspite
02-10-2006, 08:57 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">There`s no such thing as a `beat everything` aircraft, no matter how many people brainwash themselves into thinking so. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
The high boost Spitfire Mk XIV begs to differ http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Jaws2002
02-10-2006, 09:26 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Unknown-Pilot:

Which I see as a design flaw. A 108 would have been easier to use, and probably lighter too. Actually, 3 20s, instead of 2 15s and 1 30, would have been the best option. Though I'm sure they could have gotten away with 4 20s in something that large. (or 2 15s and 2 20s maybe)

</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think you don't see the big picture. Mk-103 is the most powerful German gun for anti bomber role and it can do antitank too. You don't kill tanks with mk108's or 20mm's. Mk 103 can do it. Not heavy tanks but light ones. The high muzzle velocity and flat trajectory make it easy to attack bombers from outside of their defensive range, and also is great for fighter vs fighter since you need to lead way less in a turn fight. Also if you look at the trajectory and muzzle velocity of Mk-103 had Mg151/15 this guns match very well. That's why they installed them together. They made the TA-152C the same way: one version with 1xMk-108+4xMg151/20 and one version with 1xMk103+4xMg151/15.