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karost
11-04-2006, 10:39 PM
Hi,
I have a question for FW 190A8/9 drivers.
what reason for a gun platform you prefer to load between
1) 4x20mm
2) 2xMk108 and 2x20mm

for me, I like 2xMk108 becase one pass one kill ( if I can hit my target) http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
but the bad thing for this option is
1.Mk108 not easy to shoot if I don't have deflection shooting skill
2.I can not stay along ,when situation get bad I need friends play with me in drag and bag tactic.
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Waldo.Pepper
11-04-2006, 11:02 PM
Depends on the likely opponent. If the likely enemies are fighters, you will not be able to bring the blunderbuss' to bear.

But if they are bombers etc ... then of course no question the Mk108's are the way to go.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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La7_brook
11-04-2006, 11:37 PM
20mm

SlickStick
11-04-2006, 11:37 PM
When I fly FW, I stick to the A9 for the sole purpose of carrying the MK-108s. I fly strictly in the vertical and have zero problem downing fighters with them.

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flakwagen
11-05-2006, 01:53 AM
I would like a late war FW with 2x20mm, plenty of ammo, and nothing else. This can almost be achieved, but not without that speed bleeding bomb rack underneath. Granted, it doesn't make a huge difference.

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Klemm.co
11-05-2006, 03:14 AM
4 20mm's every day, except against some very big bombers. If you use them like you are supposed to be using 50's in this sim, they are deadly against every opponent. But they are great for deflection shooting too, so i very seldom take the 108's and that is only if i know what i will be up against.

tigertalon
11-05-2006, 05:03 AM
In every and all situations I prefer quad 20mm battery. Same trajectory, high muzzle velocity, better accuracy, loads of ammo. Nuff said.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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leitmotiv
11-05-2006, 09:56 AM
The greatest advantages of the 20mm MG151 battery over the 30mm MK108 are (1) much greater effective range, and (2) retain good destructve power against bombers even at long range. Thus, there is no need to close with the bomber and come into .50 cal. range. Downside: you can beat up the bomber from 6 o'clock, but not likely destroy it. From head-on, you can probably destroy it. The greatest advantage of the MK108 is that one hit may bring down the bomber. The disadvantage is that you have to be well into .50 cal. range to hit with it.

I prefer the 20s any day. They are a buzz saw. You can rake a bomber from wingtip to wingtip from 6 o'clock and inflict much damage.

CUJO_1970
11-05-2006, 10:06 AM
My normal loadout is 4x20mm.

Sometimes, if I just want to have silly fun I load up the two MK-108 cannons and LMAO.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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LEBillfish
11-05-2006, 10:27 AM
Depends.....If I expect to fight fighters at all, default guns and never the Mk108 in wing option. Med Bombers again default, and if I feel there will be a lot then if an option dual 151/20 pods if an option, yet then I'll not be engaging fighters unless forced or having a snap shot opportunity.

Heavy bombers I might stick with default, or use Mk108 in the wings if I expect a lot of escort....If not I might go to pods, yet actually prefer the Mk103 over Mk108s for bombers........Yet it's rarely an option for me, my fav. FW's the A4 to A5-1.65ata. Late war FW I often just fixate on bombers and rtb after.


Yet to answer your question as to A8's & 9's.....Will always be default if expecting a lot of fighter combat. So 4x 20mm.....I really do not like the 30mm on any plane, and will take 20mm even on 109's if the option. The 151/20 a killer.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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carguy_
11-05-2006, 11:58 AM
Actually,none of those options.It is one of the main reasons A8 is the Anton I dislike the most.

A9 has the power to give performance suitable for such heavy armament whereas A8 doesn`t.

Normally I`m a 109 pilot so light it up as much as I can and take only two 20mm most of the time.It is more than enough.IF I am to face hvy bombers I bite the bullet and take 4x20mm but it is generally too heavy armament for me.


On a sidenote,I took the 2xMK108 loadout maybe two times.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Viper2005_
11-05-2006, 02:12 PM
151/20s. Now that they have correct belting they are effective against any target, have better ballistics than the 108s, more ammunition and of course their ballistics match, so you can still put all your rounds down on target when deflection shooting, irrespective of range. And of course the 108 is chronically inaccurate these days, which doesn't help...

tigertalon
11-05-2006, 02:50 PM
Anyone knows what's the (if any) performance loss because of 108s?<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Kuna_
11-05-2006, 03:31 PM
I'll use MK108s sometimes, yes.
I shoot just like you, I aim for friendly plane chased by bandit and I usually destroy enemy fighter in first burst.
But unlike you, I use Me-109G, the overall best http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif.

Also I've noticed that sometimes sparing MK108s isn't a good thing, so I always give prolonged burst e.g. 2 second MK108 burst.
For two very important reasons:
1-target is fixated on my friend
2-because he is unawared of my presence
3-my chance of hit in such circumstances is high

Sometimes both factors combined.

I saw your post from War Clouds track section (FW-190A sending MK108s in fast dive towards P-47, must say very nice shot, especially rare considering the fact that P-47 totally disintegrated in the process http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif).
Anyhow gotta luv their faces when they realised that they've just been hit by 3xMK108 shells at the same time (one in the nose and two under wings).
9 out of 10 times when hit in such way, Spitfire just dissapears, so this is kinda magical weapon http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif.

But 2x20mm is usually all that it takes to quickly despatch enemy fighter, and what is perhaps more important to survive the fight. FW-190D is IMO kind of fast fight.
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karost
11-06-2006, 07:51 AM
Thanks to everyone for share a good idea. S~

seem I have to make more practice for 4x20mm.



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btw, I still like MK108 when shoot P-47,tempest with one pass one kill because I can not turn with them.

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Airmail109
11-06-2006, 07:56 AM
I can do 90 degree deflection shots with the mk108 no problem....tis a good weapon. If your good, it makes a potent fighter killer as well as a bomber killer. When I was flying a LOT i used to only loose off 2-4 mk 108 rounds and score a kill....dunno if i could still do that. Will have to get back into it.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Werre_Fsck
11-06-2006, 08:32 AM
20mm. Much more accurate + with 4x guns you cannot miss + there is more ammo.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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11-06-2006, 08:33 AM
20mm's.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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11-06-2006, 09:21 AM
i prefer stocking up on the 103s, and just fly gracefully like a rock to the bomber in which time - I miss all my shots and if i am lucky return home in 1 piece...<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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11-06-2006, 09:37 AM
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faustnik
11-06-2006, 09:45 AM
I love the Mk108s for Wild Weasel missions. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif Nothing beats them for flak supression.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Don_Karnage
11-07-2006, 07:01 AM
Because of this thread I tried out the Mk108s (I am new to this game never tried them before) and HOLY ****!

I set up a quick mission with 8 friendlies (corsairs and spitfires) and shot each group of 4 down in a single, fast (350 km/h) pass. only..they didnt shoot down as much as they disintegrated into dust. Amazing.

Then (I've never flown the fw190a before) i flew towards the runway and at a speed of 530 km/h I flew under a bridge near the runway without a problem. Made for a great replay. I didn't land so great tho http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Thanks for the fun reccomendations! what a gun those Mk108s are! I wish I could install them on my car.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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MEGILE
11-07-2006, 07:25 AM
Originally posted by faustnik:
I love the Mk108s for pwning spitfires

OMfG, MK108 noob! I always knew it!<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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karost
11-07-2006, 08:37 AM
Originally posted by Megile:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by faustnik:
I love the Mk108s for pwning spitfires
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faustnik
11-07-2006, 09:44 AM
Originally posted by Megile:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by faustnik:
I love the Mk108s for pwning spitfires

OMfG, MK108 noob! I always knew it! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

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skarden
11-07-2006, 09:59 AM
Originally posted by Don_Karnage:

Thanks for the fun reccomendations! what a gun those Mk108s are! I wish I could install them on my car.

LOL yeah wouldnt that solve those 7 am traffic problams.

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Brain32
11-07-2006, 12:19 PM
mk108 was undermodelled due to crying, I normally take them just to pi$$ people off. Same people that fly around with their Noobano 20mm cannons...<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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11-07-2006, 12:25 PM
Originally posted by faustnik:
I may be a n00b but, spam still owns crumpit.

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SlickStick
11-07-2006, 12:36 PM
Originally posted by Brain32:
mk108 was undermodelled due to crying, I normally take them just to pi$$ people off. Same people that fly around with their Noobano 20mm cannons...

Brain, sometimes your unwavering bias cracks me up. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif Mg151/20s are every bit as good, if not better these days, than even the hispanos on the latest Spitfire Marks we have. Try firing the hispanos from a Hurri Mki IIc and watch how far they go before they disappear off the screen <=1km. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

Now, do the same with the MG151/20s. The MG151/20s have as good or better destructive power as the hispano, too. Trajectory may be a little flatter with the hispanos, but both types are extremely effective in this game.

Much better now than they were back in the day when the deflection shooting with MG151/20s was a bit of a joke. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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RCAF_Irish_403
11-07-2006, 01:35 PM
if you are going for bombers take the 108's.

4 x 20mm is much better overall though. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Xiolablu3
11-07-2006, 02:22 PM
Originally posted by RCAF_Irish_403:
4 x 20mm is much better overall though. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

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Just a note on the 20mm cannons, I have real bad problems aiming with the Tempests guns. I am not sure why, I have no probs with the Spitfire Vc4's 4x20mm, although again I do find it easier to hit with the Spits with MachineGuns for aiming.

With the Tempests guns, I blast away not hitting anything and its just luck if I actually do hit.

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