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JU88
05-25-2005, 10:56 AM
Very good site for pics of luftwaffe planes (http://www.luftwaffepics.com/index.html)

Its got a pic of just about every ww2 luftwaffe plane ever made, including some really weird ones and very rare shots of the regulars.

heres a sample:
oops! looks like this JU-88 crew had some landing gear trouble.
http://www.warbirdpictures.com/LCBW/JU88-68.jpg

Gunner in JU-88 "You want some!?"
http://www.warbirdpictures.com/LCBW/JU88-58.jpg

A ground crewman looks chuffed with the Heinkel 111's torpeedo load out
http://www.luftwaffepics.com/LCBW/He111-H6-41s.jpg

With an increasing shortage of rookie bomber pilots, the Luftwaffe employ lions to fly their hienkels (note the planes logo)http://www.luftwaffepics.com/LCBW/He111-5.jpg
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

OberUberWurst
05-25-2005, 11:22 AM
Great site..

fizilbert
05-25-2005, 12:22 PM
Got any pics of the plane that had two props, one at the front and one at the rear? I had a model of that, weirdest **** thing I ever saw.

JU88
05-25-2005, 12:58 PM
lmao thats the one, A Dornier Do 335 twin engine with a twist http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

http://www.luftwaffepics.com/LCBW/DO-335-2.jpg

from behind...
http://www.luftwaffepics.com/LCBW4/Do335-V3-85s.jpg

The germans had some planes that were total FREAKS, the allies must have been in stitches every time they came across some of the lufwaffes more obscure units.

JU88
05-25-2005, 01:08 PM
some more luftwaffe ******s

two hienkels glued together (for all you IL2 fans)
http://www.luftwaffepics.com/LCBW3/he111z-008.jpg

Ju88 and FW-90 doing some acrobatics....
http://www.luftwaffepics.com/LCBW/mistel-1b.jpg

this thing could fly????
http://www.luftwaffepics.com/LCBW/Ju287-1s.jpg

fizilbert
05-25-2005, 01:57 PM
Yup, that's the one. You can't tell if it's coming or going. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Zauker
05-25-2005, 04:16 PM
wow! the last one is an Arado blitz if i'm correct,the first jet bomber, orderd by hitler in 1944/45 when he was alread losing the war...stupid fool, fortunately he concentrated the production on this improbable planes instead of mass building me-262 the plague of the bombers...thanks mr hitler, your stupidity combined with allied power made the world free.

W.Irving
05-25-2005, 04:38 PM
And his disbelief in the StG..
Or how about his close connection with Porsche, wasting resources on his stupid designs..

From a military POV, Hitler did practically everything wrong.

InfectiousDust
05-25-2005, 04:42 PM
Don't forget about Germany's Ramjet! Mind you, that thing was more a sucide machine than anything else!

http://www.luft46.com/mess/p1100-30.jpg
http://www.luft46.com/mess/3bm1101c.jpg

Zauker
05-25-2005, 04:56 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by InfectiousDust:
Don't forget about Germany's Ramjet! Mind you, that thing was more a sucide machine than anything else!

lol that's a freak! from above it looks like a mig-15.

InfectiousDust
05-25-2005, 05:00 PM
Originally posted by Zauker:
from above it looks like a mig-15.

You're right, it really does.

Except the MiG didn't knock the pilot unconscious every time it took off! This one did!

Zauker
05-25-2005, 05:06 PM
interesting... was it due to the lack of a rigid pilot helmet? something like the modern ones?

InfectiousDust
05-25-2005, 05:17 PM
Originally posted by Zauker:
interesting... was it due to the lack of a rigid pilot helmet? something like the modern ones?

That's likely to be part of it. From what I remember, the test pilots also still wore the same jackets that the rest of the luftwaffe wore, even though this plane was basically a huge chemical rocket with wings strapped onto the sides. The G's experienced upon takeoff were easily enough to black out almost any pilot who was unprotected.

http://www.luft46.com/mess/p1100-3.jpg

Apparently this plane was actually the basis upon which America built the X-5 .

Zauker
05-25-2005, 05:24 PM
the one piloted by chuck jeager who broke the sound wall?

lbhskier37
05-25-2005, 05:28 PM
Infectious, I think you are talking about the ME163 rocket plane. The plane in the pictures is the P.1101, it wasn't completed by the Germans, but the US took the almost completed prototype. The aircraft was a turbojet, not a ramjet like someone above said. It also had variable sweep wings that could be adjusted on the ground. After the war it was basically copied by the US to create the Bell X-5. The X-5 was used to test the effects of different wing sweep.

Zauker
05-25-2005, 05:33 PM
the one piloted by chuck jeager who broke the sound wall?

no that was the X-1...

roybaty
05-25-2005, 05:37 PM
Actually the Luftwaffe had some very innovative and forward thinking designs. As said earlier Hitlers medling along with favoritism, fear, and corruption prevented many of these advanced designs being implimented in time to be a real threat.

If Hitler saw the promise of cutting edge research early on the Luftwaffe would have had jet fighters/bombers buzzing about in 1942 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif. Basically Germany was so successful at the beginning of the war these projects were back-burnered as there was not an overpowering need.

Same with uboat research, at the end of the war Germany had the best and most advanced designs, but to little to late.

InfectiousDust
05-25-2005, 05:39 PM
Yes lbhskier, I was referring to the P.1101L (L for the Lorin ramjet). It was proposed, and a prototype was assembled, but not flown. All the info is here (http://www.luft46.com/mess/mep1101.html#Me%20P.1101%20ramjet). You're right, the 'chemical rocket' I was talking about was the ME163.

http://www.aviationtrivia.homestead.com/files/Me163.jpg
http://d94132.u23.simplenet.com/images/Me163%20Komet%2061ws/me163.jpg

I should have been paying more attention in history...


The P.1101 was indeed the basis for the X-5 though, Zauker. Chuck Yeager did fly the X-5, though you're right; this wasn't the plane that he used to break the sound barrier.

blue_76
05-25-2005, 06:53 PM
u think thats state of the art? check this out!

http://www.naziufos.com/dischi/disk3.jpg

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

blue_76
05-25-2005, 07:03 PM
http://paranormalquest.tripod.com/images/nazi_ufo1.jpg

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

KorvKpt
05-25-2005, 07:05 PM
Not another one with these saucer things... God.

jagtigermk2
05-25-2005, 07:24 PM
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"The germans had some planes that were total FREAKS, the allies must have been in stitches every time they came across some of the lufwaffes more obscure units."
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They wouldent be in stitches for long, the Dornier Do 335 could outmatch any allied piston fighter.

http://www.aeroflight.co.uk/profile/d335hist.htm

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"this thing could fly????"
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http://img283.echo.cx/img283/688/ju28710vo.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)


Yes and it flew very well. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

http://www.csd.uwo.ca/~pettypi/elevon/baugher_other/ju287.html

jagtigermk2
05-25-2005, 07:32 PM
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"lol that's a freak! from above it looks like a mig-15."
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Your right, the early russian jets were copys from captured German technology.

InfectiousDust
05-25-2005, 07:44 PM
Originally posted by jagtigermk2:
Your right, the early russian jets were copys from captured German technology.

So was the Kalashnikov AK-47...

Eurynomos666
05-25-2005, 08:59 PM
Originally posted by KorvKpt:
Not another one with these saucer things... God.

They are more real than you think http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
http://img92.echo.cx/img92/4605/020starwars5jq.th.jpg (http://img92.echo.cx/my.php?image=020starwars5jq.jpg)

Zauker
05-26-2005, 02:57 AM
..So was the Kalashnikov AK-47...

sure it was derived from the MP-44

Maj_Solo
05-26-2005, 03:03 AM
While hiding under a transport in a convoy I started to think about that Me110 night fighter with "schr√¬§ger musik" used to shoot down lancaster bombers. And started to wonder why the germans never invented a drill so I could drill holes in merchants .....

W.Irving
05-26-2005, 03:06 AM
Originally posted by Zauker:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">..So was the Kalashnikov AK-47...

sure it was derived from the MP-44 </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Not really.
Only by looks. Mechanically, they were different (the AK being superior).

Zauker
05-26-2005, 03:23 AM
well mechanically i hope it was superior, http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif .
mostly it derived from MP-44 as purpose conception. basically the MP-44 was the very first assault rifle in the world. general michail kalashnikov studied the project, improved it,then the weapon was mass produced.

FI-finbar1
05-26-2005, 03:31 AM
Check out this excellent site for the what if's
http://www.luft46.com/

W.Irving
05-26-2005, 03:36 AM
...and all this from a bed in hospital!

stoo1969
05-26-2005, 05:11 AM
The P.1101 blueprints must have been used by the swedes to produce the saab tunnan...
http://www.vectorsite.net/avj29.html

Hoatee
05-26-2005, 05:31 AM
The Arado was used mainly for recce and the USA sent a couple of p80 fighters to Italy for the purpose of tracking them down - but the pilots never encountered a single Arado (saw this in a docu on Discovery channel about German jets).

This would make an interesting mission for IL2/FB/AEP/PF - except the Arado ain't modelled - pity!

FI-finbar1
05-26-2005, 06:29 AM
Strange to be doing this on sub sim forum but anyway from my poor memory the 234 was used mainly for recconasisnce,though I seem to recall a number attacked the Remagen Bridgehead,along with 262's.
Now that would be worth seeing on IL2,FB.

DokterBeefcake
05-26-2005, 06:53 AM
Originally posted by W.Irving:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Zauker:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">..So was the Kalashnikov AK-47...

sure it was derived from the MP-44 </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Not really.
Only by looks. Mechanically, they were different (the AK being superior). </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Right. The idea to make one came about when the inventor saw an StG44 during the war. It had some new ways of aproaching things, like the hybrid round and the stamped metal/'economically' machined parts. However all of the ideas were executed in an entirely russian manner. I think the action was actually taken from their self-loading rifle, not the StG.

jagtigermk2
05-26-2005, 07:56 AM
Focke Wolf Ta 183 looks simular to the Mig 15, maiden flight was planned for May/June of 1945.

http://img21.echo.cx/img21/2407/3bft183i1nv.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

The_Third_Half
05-26-2005, 08:06 AM
Originally posted by FCBill:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by W.Irving:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Zauker:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">..So was the Kalashnikov AK-47...

sure it was derived from the MP-44 </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Not really.
Only by looks. Mechanically, they were different (the AK being superior). </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Right. The idea to make one came about when the inventor saw an StG44 during the war. It had some new ways of aproaching things, like the hybrid round and the stamped metal/'economically' machined parts. However all of the ideas were executed in an entirely russian manner. I think the action was actually taken from their self-loading rifle, not the StG. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hehehe i just watched in interview of Anatoly Kalishnikof ( sp) and when the interviewer asked him why he based the AK-47 off the sturmgwer-44 ,he flipped out. Got very, very angry, and said it was not at all based off the German gun. He said this repeatedly, and very angrily.

Celeon999
05-26-2005, 01:50 PM
I love this one http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

It was one of Hitlers favorite dreams. It was one of the so called "America Bombers"

A project which consisted of plans for several different airplanes that should have enough speed and fuel to get from France to the American East Coast and back without the need of an aircraft carrier.

Hitler once said to Albert Speer :

"...Imagine the psychological effect on the americans when they see their New York Skyline in flames and the skyscrapers falling to the ground. "

"... They will ask for peace negotiations faster than you can imagine because they need all their power against Japan. "

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

http://de.geocities.com/celebrationofthelizard2002/horten01.jpg

http://de.geocities.com/celebrationofthelizard2002/horten02.jpg

http://de.geocities.com/celebrationofthelizard2002/horten03.jpg

fizilbert
05-26-2005, 02:11 PM
They needed to hook some of those jet engines up to a u-boot. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

archer49d
05-26-2005, 03:05 PM
Originally posted by blue_76:
u think thats state of the art? check this out!

http://www.naziufos.com/dischi/disk3.jpg

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Is that the SH3 resupply feature in 1.4?

archer49d
05-26-2005, 03:10 PM
Originally posted by Celeon999:

Hitler once said to Albert Speer :

"...Imagine the psychological effect on the americans when they see their New York Skyline in flames and the skyscrapers falling to the ground. "

"... They will ask for peace negotiations faster than you can imagine because they need all their power against Japan. "

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif


Or they'll pis* us off enough that we'll blow them to he*l.

Hey, we did anyway, hehehehehehehe http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

W.Irving
05-26-2005, 03:41 PM
Imagine if the US had dropped the A-bomb in Germany first.

They (the yanks) would've paid - big time!


Or if Germany had managed to finish one, put it in a V2, and goodbye Essex (good riddence, but you get the picture http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif ).

Wonder if we'd been here then, or how many arms we would've had.

archer49d
05-26-2005, 04:38 PM
Originally posted by W.Irving:
Imagine if the US had dropped the A-bomb in Germany first.

They (the yanks) would've paid - big time!


Or if Germany had managed to finish one, put it in a V2, and goodbye Essex (good riddence, but you get the picture http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif ).

Wonder if we'd been here then, or how many arms we would've had.

How would we have "paid" we did more damage fire-bombing the **** place anyway. Just like with Japan. A-Bombs had more shock effect because one plane "moseyed" out of the clouds, dropped one bomb and annihiliated a city.

jagtigermk2
05-26-2005, 06:01 PM
The Go 229 was so advanced for it's day, it shows how far ahead the Germans were in aviation when the war ended.

Flight tests went quite well. Handling characteristics were much better than expected. A maximum level speed of 497mph was reached during the test flights. Unfortunately, the Ho IX V2 crashed during a landing attempt and was totally destroyed. It also had an ejector seat, so the pilot could escape safely.

It gave off a weak radar signature becuase of it's shape and composite skin. The Go 229 had to save on recources so it used steel tubing and scrap wood. The "skin" comprised of two 1.5mm ply wood sheets which sandwiched a 12mm layer of sawdust, charcoal and glue, this was designed to make the aircraft invisible to radar

Late in April 1945, the plant was captured by Allied troops.

Estimated maximum speed was 590 mph at sea level and 607 mph at 39,370 feet.
Maximum ceiling was to be 52,500 feet -Maximum range was estimated at 1180 milles
Initial climb rate was to be 4330 ft/miin

The aircraft was shipped to America after the war, i spoke to an American who works at a airbase in England. He even mentioned the Go 229 and how importent it was for the American stealth project.

http://img282.echo.cx/img282/9098/go22936ep.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

http://img282.echo.cx/img282/1631/ho9v3139pw.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

Mon Pavion
05-26-2005, 06:51 PM
The Germans really came up with some goofy a/c designs.

twistedpretzel
05-26-2005, 08:08 PM
A lot of their 1940 designs look like our 1960 era designs, really ahead of their times!

InfectiousDust
05-26-2005, 08:26 PM
Originally posted by archer49d:
Or they'll pis* us off enough that we'll blow them to he*l.

Hey, we did anyway, hehehehehehehe http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

You really don't know what you're talking about, do you.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

Celeon999
05-27-2005, 05:38 AM
Just found some other strange high tech stuff.

The Nazis loved the Luftwaffe so it gathered the most money for their projects.

The Kriegsmarine instead was always the last in the line. That has something to do with the political part they played during 1920 to 1930.

High ranking Kriegsmarine members didnt opposed the nazis but refused to support them in their uprising. So lets say : the Nazis never forgot this. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Sorry for the poor quality and unsharpness but my **** (made in USA http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif ) scanner is still not working and i cant photograph the pictures with flashlight because you could only see reflections.

This is the goliath. A remote controlled mini tank that was actually one big bomb on tank tracks who should destroy enemy tanks.

http://de.geocities.com/celebrationofthelizard2002/lenkpanzer.jpg

This is the first radar guided anti-aircraft missile of the world codenamed "Rheintochter X-1" (Rhinedaughter) constructed in Peenem√ľnde in 1943-44.
There were also other types like the missile codenamed "wasserfall" (waterfall) which was just a smaller radar guided version of the V-2.

Like most secret high tech projects of germany it never reached mass production in time.

Only two "Rheint√¬∂chter" were tested in allied bombing raids on Bremen and Wilhelmshaven but these tests were successfull. The first shot down an USAF B-17 above Bremen , the second an RAF B-17 on a night bombing raid on Wilhelmshaven.

http://de.geocities.com/celebrationofthelizard2002/rheintochter.jpg

http://de.geocities.com/celebrationofthelizard2002/rheintochterfabrik.jpg

I have special love for this one. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

This is the mobile 600 mm motar "Thor" constructed by "Rheinmetall" for the Wehrmacht (Todays name is "Rheinmetall defence systems" who produces guided missiles and bombs ,drones and some stuff for submarines too but i dont know what exactly)

They were constructed for destroying heavy amored bunkers. They fired an 2,2 ton heavy grenade that could punch trough 2,5 meters thick steel beton and exploded in the bunkers interior. A seperate mobile crane was needed for reloading.

6 of them were build and named Adam , Eva, Odin, Thor, Loki and Tyr. All were used at the eastern front against the sowjets.

http://de.geocities.com/celebrationofthelizard2002/moerserthor.jpg

This is a very rare picture of a hall in an secret underground aircraft construction facility, i dont know which one this is or where it is , but they still exist today and are used as storage halls for the german army with mmmmmmmuuuuuuuuuucchhhh much space because some of them are many square kilometers big underground citys with own street and railway systems and their own electric power plants.

Some were build into mountains others were just put under the earth with 20 meters steel beton above them.

Interesting is that they were constructed A-Bomb secure in a time where the A-Bomb didnt existed yet.

http://de.geocities.com/celebrationofthelizard2002/untergrundfabrik.jpg

And at last this is the FI 282 recon helicopter (amored version)

http://de.geocities.com/celebrationofthelizard2002/hubschrauber.jpg

durex2000
05-27-2005, 06:39 AM
(Todays name is "Rheinmetall defence systems" who produces guided missiles and bombs ,drones and some stuff for submarines too but i dont know what exactly)

they have also developed the 120mm cannon of the M1 Abrams, which is now produced under license in the US.

jagtigermk2
05-27-2005, 07:49 AM
A german B17. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

http://img174.echo.cx/img174/8311/germanb179ja.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

W.Irving
05-27-2005, 08:07 AM
Originally posted by jagtigermk2:
A german B17. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

http://img174.echo.cx/img174/8311/germanb179ja.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

Converted into use by the Luftwaffe after the Nero decree was issued. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

V-MAN1981
05-27-2005, 10:25 AM
What about this monster then, it was designed to bomb the US East coast and came within 20 miles of long island during a test flight.

ju 390 (http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/LRG/ju390.html)

http://img86.echo.cx/img86/9079/ju3901ln.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

Celeon999
05-27-2005, 11:03 AM
they have also developed the 120mm cannon of the M1 Abrams, which is now produced under license in the US.

Oh i didnt know that. Maybe thats why i saw an american tank in iraq with "Blut und Eisen" written on his cannon. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Heard of that new cannon the Leopard 2 gets equipt with by now ? Dont know details but i heard after finishing he will be the heaviest weaponed tank in the world .

More and more people ask why it needs so unbelievable firepower just for peace keeping missions.

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I mean , did i missed something ??
Are we going back to poland ? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Maybe thats what they call "European Union enlarges into east direction" http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif My grandmother has a house in K√¬∂nigsberg (today Kaliningrad) that she wants back since 1945 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Celeon999
05-28-2005, 08:41 AM
He ive found a pic of it :

Its the Leopard 2 Version (A6) with its new 120 mm cannon from Rheinmetall defence systems which is an improved version of the one that the m1a2 abrams has.

It was a long way from A1 to A6 especially from the A1 whos engine was likely to catch fire http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif
Its good that we sold this old **** to Turkey. I myself would have not buyed such **** http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

http://de.geocities.com/celebrationofthelizard2002/Leopard2A6.jpg

blue_76
05-28-2005, 10:57 AM
Originally posted by Celeon999:

Its good that we sold this old **** to Turkey. I myself would have not buyed such **** http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif



heh, things are not always what they seem.. u see, turkey buys it old, but gets the latest tech from israel and updates them http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Celeon999
05-28-2005, 12:19 PM
heh, things are not always what they seem.. u see, turkey buys it old, but gets the latest tech from israel and updates them


I dont think they can do much about it. Its based on an construction error. Thats why we build new ones instead of fixing the old ones http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif