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msalama
12-19-2005, 04:06 AM
Be sure.

alert_1
12-19-2005, 04:19 AM
40000 shot down, it had won be sure

John_Wayne_
12-19-2005, 04:23 AM
36183 built. These threads crack me up.

joeap
12-19-2005, 04:47 AM
Originally posted by msalama:
Be sure.

All hail the true winged diety Il-2

WOLFMondo
12-19-2005, 05:39 AM
I often wondered why the Luftwaffe Flak batalions were so good. They had 36,000 IL2's to practice on.

BuzzU
12-19-2005, 08:02 AM
It wasn't hard to hit a flying tank. Those Russian pilots were very brave.

WOLFMondo
12-19-2005, 08:09 AM
Brave or scared of Stalins commisars? Take your pick, I wouldn't have wanted to fly one.

NekoReaperman
12-19-2005, 08:17 AM
i say brave, anyone who fights in defence of your country is brave...


Dont assume because you watched jude law in a hollywood movie that you know everything about the motivation of every soviet soldier ever...

neural_dream
12-19-2005, 08:28 AM
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snafu73
12-19-2005, 09:03 AM
If the Russians had'nt have built all them bullet sponges... well, think what else the Nazis could have done with all that ammo!

SeaNorris
12-19-2005, 09:13 AM
OK, come on guys, lets get this thread up to 22 pages.

IL-2 won the war, be sure.

msalama
12-19-2005, 09:56 AM
You got it Norris http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

p1ngu666
12-19-2005, 10:05 AM
better than anything else

pilot far better protected than pretty much anything else..

scottmal1
12-19-2005, 10:30 AM
What ground attack aircraft is superior to the il-2?

scottmal1
12-19-2005, 10:32 AM
Oh yeah, the il-10.

Vipez-
12-19-2005, 10:52 AM
all your IL2s are belong to HS129 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

ot: hs129 had even more armor than IL-2s, yet it allways makes me wonder how easy the hs129 is to shootdown in the game, wings snapping off with just couple of UBS/Shvak hits.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

p1ngu666
12-19-2005, 10:55 AM
yep has more armour, but no rear gunner, and similer speed

hs129 has so much armour that gunsight is outside the cockpit http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

GR142_Astro
12-19-2005, 10:57 AM
Originally posted by scottmal1:
What ground attack aircraft is superior to the il-2?

1945 date of production, but she missed the big show. Heckuva lot purtier too. Faster, and carried more ordinance. Oh, did I say she's purtier?

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http://www.richard-seaman.com/Aircraft/AirShows/Chino2004/Sampler/Ad4Skyraider.jpg

jeroen_R90S
12-19-2005, 11:12 AM
Originally posted by scottmal1:
What ground attack aircraft is superior to the il-2?

Helldiver!
http://www.tighar.org/Projects/Devastator/SBC.jpg
I don't know why they call IL-2 '2'as it has only one wing.

2 wings r0xx0rz, be sure. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
Oleg knows he is wrong, but does not want to admit it!

msalama
12-19-2005, 11:31 AM
Oh, did I say she's purtier?

Bah. Never send "purty" to do a man's job. 'cuz y'see, the lady in question is missing a _lot_ in the Mot├┬Ârhead department http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

msalama
12-19-2005, 11:32 AM
Hey, if Lemmy was a ground-pounder he'd choose the Sturmo. Be sure.

GR142_Astro
12-19-2005, 12:19 PM
Originally posted by msalama:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Oh, did I say she's purtier?

Bah. Never send "purty" to do a man's job. 'cuz y'see, the lady in question is missing a _lot_ in the Mot├┬Ârhead department http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


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You nice?

As for your original post, yes the IL2 went further to winning the war than most types that some folks try to promote as war-winners.

msalama
12-19-2005, 12:33 PM
As for your original post, yes the IL2 went further to winning the war than most types that some folks try to promote as war-winners.

That's true, Sir. And to get semi-serious here, well, I honestly think that the plane was much better than its later reputation. The overall pilot quality of the VVS, OTOH, was another matter altogether - and let's not forget that Uncle Joe had pretty much liquidated his whole senior military staff before Barbarossa anyway...

Now who was the American(?) general(?) who adored the Sturmovik? My memory fails me now, but I seem to have a dim recollection of some senior USAAF officer giving praise to the type.

Anyone?

Tooz_69GIAP
12-19-2005, 01:27 PM
It was Eddie Rickenbacker I believe. He went over to Russia on a liaison inspection thing as a civillian representing the US, and was taken for a joyride in the Sturmo. In his opinion, the US simply HAD to have that aircraft, or develop something like it.

MB_Avro_UK
12-19-2005, 02:41 PM
Hi all,

The il2_3M won the war!

I have flown this type on dogfights and amazed many an unsuspecting fighter http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif

Set cannons to 400m and at low speed with flaps you become a rotating cannon armed gattling gun! Plus your gunner covers your 6 and there are one or two pieces of armour to keep you alive.

On a serious note,the crews in WW2 went through **** to survive.Only after very,very heavy losses with the single sear bomber version was a rear gunner added. (Field Mod). He was provided with a canvas sling seat,no belt and no armour http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif.

I also read somewhere that the initial gunner 'volunteers' were from Penal Batallions?

Best Regards,
MB_Avro

msalama
12-20-2005, 12:06 AM
It was Eddie Rickenbacker I believe.

Thanks Tooz, it indeed was. A quote from Air Vectors (http://www.vectorsite.net/avil2.html): "American World War I fighter ace Eddie Rickenbacker was shown a demonstration of the Shturmovik during a visit to the USSR, leaving him extremely impressed. He reported it the best attack aircraft in existence, that the USA had never built anything like it, and that such a machine should be part of every army."

And Yes Avro, I also remember reading about Sturmo tail gunners belonging to Shtrafroty battalions. I'm unable to find any documents concerning the matter just now, but it would indeed fall in line with Stalin's / Beria's / NKVD's thinking of those men having to atone their crimes against the Soviet Union with their own blood...

WOLFMondo
12-20-2005, 01:02 AM
Originally posted by NekoReaperman:
i say brave, anyone who fights in defence of your country is brave...


Dont assume because you watched jude law in a hollywood movie that you know everything about the motivation of every soviet soldier ever...

never seen that filmhttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

WOLFMondo
12-20-2005, 01:03 AM
Originally posted by msalama:
Hey, if Lemmy was a ground-pounder he'd choose the Sturmo. Be sure.


Lemmy is a Stuka man, be sure. Although a He111 has appeared on a Motorhead album cover.

msalama
12-20-2005, 01:28 AM
Lemmy is a Stuka man, be sure. Although a He111 has appeared on a Motorhead album cover.

Indeed, the excellent album "Bomber" had the Heinkel on its cover! But let's then say that if Lemmy had a coupla more braincells _left_ he'd choose the Sturmo http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

But OK, Lemmy flys blue for now, that's right...

micksaf
12-20-2005, 11:08 AM
What about reading Vasily Emelianenko's "Red Star against Swastika" ..FIRST and then talk aboutit ??

http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/1853676497/qid.../202-2174812-0252654 (http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/1853676497/qid%3D1135102072/202-2174812-0252654)

p1ngu666
12-20-2005, 11:18 AM
the german generals wanted em, or a plane like them. think the hs129 fullfilled that role, not that many where made tho

crazyivan1970
12-20-2005, 11:37 AM
Didnt HS129 had design problems.... something with radiators being in the wing area and even light arms fire could penetrate them? Or i am thinking of some other plane....

p1ngu666
12-20-2005, 11:48 AM
had two cr@p radial engines. it had two bad engines on purpose, which really isnt a great start. think they where french prewar engines, fine for civil or transport or whatever, but imo should of used bmw unit in 190

cant remmber much about the plane tho http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

PBNA-Boosher
12-20-2005, 12:35 PM
I prefer the Skyraider, sorry. Blaspheme in Mo-Zus' church and I must blaspheme in yours!

StellarRat
12-20-2005, 12:45 PM
Originally posted by NekoReaperman:
i say brave, anyone who fights in defence of your country is brave...

Dont assume because you watched jude law in a hollywood movie that you know everything about the motivation of every soviet soldier ever... Don't assume that the non-Russians forced into service and threatened with being shot by the Comissar behind him was "brave", he was trapped and desperate to stay alive somehow. Remember that not every territory under Soviet control wanted to be part of the Union.

Tooz_69GIAP
12-20-2005, 02:55 PM
The engines for the Hs-129 were originally Argus 465hp engines, and were reported by test pilots and the operational unit who got the first batch of aircraft as making the aircraft very underpowered. Top speed was 354kph.

It then was decided to use the 700hp Gnome & Rhone engine which gave about 50% more power to the aircraft, but this was still not great. In the field on the Eastern Front, it was found that the French engines had little tolerance for dust and sand and battle damage, etc, and were unreliable. The B-2 variant improved some of the short falls, and max speed was around 410kph.