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iL2fan
09-04-2009, 01:57 PM
It was 6:00 near a coast of what-not. Cloud layer was 1000m I was at 2500M

Enemy fw190 #3. He pulled up behind me slowely. I started banking my wings left to right for surrender.

He was a good 20m behind me. He banked his wings left to right and banked right and went home. I did the same.

I will never forget this day..

AndyJWest
09-04-2009, 03:02 PM
Assuming it was online, and not AI (Oleg's robopilots are nuts), it was probably someone with no ammo who just wanted to spook you - I've done this myself a couple of times when I'm out of ammo and there is someone on a teammate's six, though doing it in other circumstances is risky. Or maybe he was just being friendly - were you new to the server?

There seem to be some people online who are only there to score points, and others who actually consider demonstrating skill to be more important. For myself, I'm still spending far too much time trying to get that darned Spit off my tail to worry overmuch about points anyway, so good manners cost me little. Though If I could catch the little b****r who sprayed me with gunfire as soon as I'd retracted my wheels, an hour or so ago, I doubt if I'd be so civilised (this is allowed by the server rules, and fortunately he couldn't shoot straight anyway - I got a minor fuel leak and a few holes in my canopy...)

As I understand it SoW:BoB will have a different 'points' system, perhaps this will improve manners online.

general_kalle
09-04-2009, 03:14 PM
i doubt waving wings is offical for surrender. especially if you were undamaged and still a threat for him.

i rarely have murcy. the only cases i let an enemy fly is if theyre about to make an emergency landing.
if theyre too damaged to fight and try to return to base and flash lights and whatnot to ask for murcy i give them a short chance to bail or emergency land.. if they dont i kill them.

once it happened that i had just accepted that onewas landing but when i overshot him he sent a burst after me.... i killed him.

iL2fan
09-04-2009, 03:20 PM
he had ammo and he said in the chat " Salute"

I aid the same thing back

Gammelpreusse
09-04-2009, 03:42 PM
good story. sometimes it's moments like these leaving a much deeper satisfacion then a kill.

Jaws2002
09-04-2009, 03:42 PM
It happens quite a few times online. We are not all savages. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
Yesterday I had a long fight with an LA7 and after I hit his motor and forced him to bail I was heading home. My motor died in about one minute because of my abuse. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/halo.gif

As I was gliding towards land, another La-7 showed up above me. When I was really slow and pretty helpless, he came in for the "kill".
Surprisingly the man didn't fire. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif He came in from high six and when he was around 100 meters behind me, he stepped on the rudder and just flew by to my right. As he passed and zoomed by, I turned on the smoke on and rocked my wings to thank him.
A true gentleman. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif


I felt really bad when I crashed the plane after he offered me a chance to live. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/sadeyes.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/disagree.gif

TS_Sancho
09-04-2009, 03:54 PM
Interesting how in simulation you can so easily afford your enemy the chance to live to fight another day.

I'll pass on an enemy already damaged but if the other guys plane is airworthy and the prop is spinning I view it as fairgame.

Waldo.Pepper
09-04-2009, 04:04 PM
I'da filled your @ss with lead.

iL2fan
09-04-2009, 04:34 PM
Originally posted by Waldo.Pepper:
I'da filled your @ss with lead.


.....Gee thanks..

Mr_Zooly
09-04-2009, 04:45 PM
I would have gone with the mercy option as I think its a waste of good ammo to shoot at a sitting/unarmed duck who is going down anyway, ah shucks I'm a big ol softy really http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Airmail109
09-04-2009, 04:51 PM
190's don't run out of ammo unless an idiots flying it.

na85
09-04-2009, 04:56 PM
Sometimes to show mercy is actually in your favor. If you shoot him down, then he gets to respawn faster which means he'll be back in the air sooner and potentially out for your blood.

If you seriously damage somebody and they try to limp all the way back home, that's one fewer enemy in the sky trying to shoot you down.

Plus, one of the most entertaining parts of the game is trying to nurse a wounded aircraft back to base.

ElAurens
09-04-2009, 05:38 PM
Let's see here...

I'm in an FW 190 with ammo left.

I'm on your six.

It's been a really nice day and I'm feeling all warm and fuzzy about life and stuff.

I smile, waggle my wings, and turn you into aluminum confetti.

Sorry pal.

No quarter asked or given.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif

skarden
09-05-2009, 03:21 AM
Yep me too,if you weren't damaged I'd of made sure you were when I was finished(A flaming wreck hopefully)If you wee nursing a dieing plane home I'd just let you get on with it.

were you damaged or fresh?

K_Freddie
09-05-2009, 05:34 AM
'Lowering your gear'.. is the 'official' indicator of surrender AFAIK.

No gear = No surrender = lots of lead. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

But sometimes, as Sailor Malan said, something to this effect...
"Letting a damaged enemy a/c get home with dead and dying crew, does more damage to their morale than a MIA."
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

ElAurens
09-05-2009, 06:34 AM
Lowering the gear only makes them an easier target.

This isn't a sporting match.

Be sure.

Gammelpreusse
09-05-2009, 06:44 AM
Originally posted by ElAurens:
Lowering the gear only makes them an easier target.

This isn't a sporting match.

Be sure.

That's a matter of approach. To each their own, naturally, but some actually see it as a sporting match http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Nevertheless, it is interesting to see how the concept of totaler Krieg grabbed a hold in todays conciousness, flight simmers included, hehe.

pupo162
09-05-2009, 06:55 AM
the other day i was flying online and i hitted a mig-3 preaty preaty bad. as i walked to his side i noticed is left wing shreded and is engine smoking all the types of smoke il2 can produce.

I decided to let him go i waved to him and climbed to safety.

this was the good part of the history.


after my climb i got bumped by another mig3 who hitted me but no damege.... i dived for safety and the mig 3 got far. then i find myself getting hit as crap and with an engine on fire heading for the ground....

the mig i just spared had shoot me down....


...nver again ill shall be mercifull. at least against that player.

AndyJWest
09-05-2009, 09:13 AM
Pupo162: I was shot up badly myself online in a MiG the other day, and had to read carefully what you wrote before deciding that it was unlikely to have been me you encountered, though it all got fairly hectic and I do recall loosing a few rounds at a Bf 109 while struggling back to base spewing fuel and smoke, and with the stick hard over to keep upright (actually pulled off a reasonable landing). As I say, I don't think it was me, and I didn't think I'd actually hit anything. It was all pretty confused, and I usually only have the 'icons' set to distance, so I don't know if I'd encountered the same 109 twice. My real point, though, is that the MiG pilot, whoever he was, may not have realised what you had done, or not realised it was you the second time, and was trying to defend himself. My general SA is still pretty abysmal, and I rarely get the opportunity to do anything other than watch the immediate threats, especially in a shot-up MiG (they do seem to be fragile, and landing one without at least a fuel leak is a rarity for me).

If it was me that downed you, I apologise. If, as I suspect, it wasn't, I'd still be wary of attaching too much blame to the MiG pilot without knowing how it all appeared to him.

Of course there are some online players who are so full of themselves that they will do anything for a 'kill', but i'd think they are a minority, and probably get less pleasure than the 'gentlemen flyers' - this is a game after all.

pupo162
09-05-2009, 12:47 PM
AndyJWest

i really doubt it was you, only for the fact that this happened in a full real server without icons.
The pilot who did this already had me ****ed of for two different reasons in the same day, things wich are offtopic to this and should be kept between me and him, such as is name, wich i wont mention.

it also came to my knowladge that the mig is a tough bastard, and as such we is able to keep flying for a lot with a lot of damage, so ill put only migs in my unmercy list.

cheers to all the gentleman in il2 who fly for the "kill" no the points.

AndyJWest
09-05-2009, 02:59 PM
Thanks Pupo162, nice to know it wasn't me. The Mig is a strange aircraft in some ways. It's at its best at altitude of course, and has an abysmal turn at low altitude, but in spite of this I've downed 109s on the deck with it, online. I think this is because (a) you can't turn tight enough to bleed off speed as quickly as a more nimble fighter can, and (b) nobody expects you to even attempt to dogfight low down. They also seem to be very prone to fuel leaks from even minor hits, so don't assume that one leaving a trail is necessarily damaged in any significant way.

I'd still rather dogfight with something more sensible, but if the choice is a MiG or an early LaGG 3, I'll take the MiG, and try to stay fast and high.

Back on topic, I thing that the level of 'gentlemanly conduct' you should display will vary depending on the server. I often play an a madcap furball server (no names, they know who they are) and getting shot to pieces just as you start your landing approach is fairly normal - when this happened to me earlier today I merely informed the rotter responsible that I will get my own back. On this type of server, a good sense of humour is probably as important as manners, and if you can get the opposition to laugh enough, you can bounce them while they are distracted. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Erkki_M
09-05-2009, 04:38 PM
We just did something similar, some 1 hours ago. We chased an FW190A8/9 we found deep in our territory at 4000m. Me in a P51D and my mate in a Tempest. We were unable to catch him in a reasonable time so I cut his large turn to the right(and blue airfields), climbed to 7000. Once I was close to him dived to him: that energy was enough to bring me to him with enough speed left for a climbout after the attack. He was forced to turnfight and got lots of hits, lost starboard aeleron and leaked fuel and oil. He put his lights on and we escorted him to a neutral field some 10km away, across the border at the blue side of the front. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/partyhat.gif