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goshikisen
05-07-2005, 06:51 PM
Thought that it might be appropriate to make up a couple "unofficial" update shots to commemorate the 60th anniversary of Victory in Europe Day.

As far as I can tell the only aircraft in these shots to have half a chance of making it are the Do-335 and possibly the Macchi MC200. The Typhoon I'd have thought tailor made for the Ardennes and Normandy maps but apparently it's not to be. The Kingfisher (served in the Pacific and the Atlantic) also will not be included but in the sim.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v460/goshikisen/pf17.jpg
Italians in Russia

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v460/goshikisen/pf16.jpg
Day of Good Prang

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v460/goshikisen/pf15.jpg
Eyes of the Fleet

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v460/goshikisen/pf14.jpg
Ameisenbaer

The Typhoon was built by Harti and Halfwit... it looked pretty good in the dev. shots but for some reason it was stillborn. Would have been of particular interest for myself because of its association with the RCAF.

Well... so much for not making any additional "unofficial" shots. That radial blur filter in Photoshop... it calls out to me and I can't resist.

Regards, Goshikisen.

VW-IceFire
05-07-2005, 08:02 PM
We'll miss the Typhoon quite a bit...not built to the proper specifications. Quite a snafu.

Love the shots tho!

ImpStarDuece
05-07-2005, 08:12 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/351.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Yeah, I assuredly agree with IceFire on this.

The Typhoon would of been my ride for 90% of my time in IL2 if it had made it into the game.

I'm an average (ok, terrible) pilot, but take a quiet joy in ground pounding while everyone else is off flitting around like blue-arsed flies trying to get on thier opponents six.

The Tyffie would of been the ultimate groundpouder in my book. 2000lb bombload, 8 rockets (they even used DoulbleRP projectors late in the war so maybe 16 rockets ), 4x 20mm cannon, 2,000-2,260 horsepower Sabre, 390mph at 2000m, rugged contruction and able to out turn any A serise 190 that could catch it.

The only good thing to come of the Typhoon not making it was that the modelers learnt a lot doing it and put all that good information to work on the Tempest. So there is hope for one of the later 'Wind' serise of fighters making it into the game.

p1ngu666
05-07-2005, 09:34 PM
tempest is made by someone else http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

goshikisen
05-07-2005, 10:21 PM
Originally posted by ImpStarDuece:
The only good thing to come of the Typhoon not making it was that the modelers learnt a lot doing it and put all that good information to work on the Tempest.

I think the Tempest is a combined Alex Voicu / Hammerd effort. Too bad Harti and Halfwit weren't given a bit of direction in terms of getting the Tyffie model FB/AEP/PF ready. I'm with you, ImpStarDuece... I probably would have spent a great deal of time in the Typhoon's cockpit if we had one.

Regards, Goshikisen.

goshikisen
05-08-2005, 02:15 PM
Here's Jutocsa's amazing Letov S.328 model. This and the Avia that he created should make for some interesting Eastern European campaigns outside of Russia.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v460/goshikisen/pf18.jpg

-HH- Beebop
05-08-2005, 08:28 PM
Originally posted by goshikisen:
...As far as I can tell the only aircraft in these shots to have half a chance of making it are the Do-335 and possibly the Macchi MC200...

Hmmm. What a shame. Let's see, the MC200 is a "varient" of the MC202 and the Do-335 is essentially a "Luft 46" plane.

Now I love the "Luft 46" planes, don't get me wrong, I'd love an FB/AEP/PF quality sim centered on them, but I sure would have liked the Kingfisher and the Typhoon. Both played significant roles in WWII. In fact both fit the theme of this sim, "Forgotten..." as people think of the P-51 in Europe and the Corsair in the Pacific. (Glad we have them but...)

After all I got this game becuase it featured a Russian plane I'd never heard of, a Strumavack or something like that.

None the less, if this is a flawed product, WHAT a flawed product!

goshikisen
05-09-2005, 09:42 AM
My last shot has nothing to do with VE Day and the object will probably never see the light of day in Pacific Fighters. Just a bit of self-indulgence...

I've always thought Pacific Fighters was a little thin on ships (which it is, for various reasons that have been discussed ad nauseum). I'm a fan of IJN Heavy Cruisers so I thought it'd be interesting to see what one of the more interesting Japanese CA's would look like in the sim. The model is IJN Maya (Takao class - late war configuration) from the "ai marking" website. To say that this Japanese modeller is "skilled" would be a huge understatement. Take a look at his IJN Yamato... the model speaks for itself.

http://w2322.nsk.ne.jp/qm.masaki/

Remember, this screenshot has absolutely nothing to do with what may or may not be in the sim in the near future. It's just a bit of daydreaming on my part.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v460/goshikisen/pf19.jpg
IJN Maya

Regards, Goshikisen.

Enforcer572005
05-09-2005, 11:26 PM
Wow! that cruiser is amazing. we are desperately in need of some ships...I was shocked to load PF for the first time yesterday and see hardly any cruisers or destoyers to speak of, and just the king george V class BB. this "generic" use of such a ship for everybody would be like using a DO-335 for generic fighters.

A naval sim with no destroyers or cruisers for some of the participants....the japanese navy w/o any cruisers or battleships is depressing. as I said in another post on here someplace, this sim cant reach its potential without at least 6-10 more ships.

I dont understand why it is such a problem for a user made adon ship to be included in a patch at some point. I mean there is no flight envelope to speak of, just limit the speed to 25 to 35 knts and make the weapons operational.

In CFS2 (which was never finished or even tested before its release), there were several very nice cruisers and otehr ships, especially those made by the 1s4g italian guys (I think theyre doing some italian planes for this sim) and a bunch of the ships at pearl harbor. The current ships are totally out of place there.
well I digress again, but I really was freaked out by the almost total lack of cruisers and battleships. Some of these developement restrictions confuse me a bit. That was the only area the ms sims were superior in . at least this sim works and has a good misn blder.

SaQSoN
05-10-2005, 01:52 AM
I dont understand why it is such a problem for a user made adon ship to be included in a patch at some point.

Why? Because making a ship is basically, much, much more complicative task, then building a plane. Literary, NONE of the user made ships wasn't included in the game at all. All of them were heavily remodelled or built from scratch by 1C crew, whose men-power resources are quite scarce to make even more ships, plus adding and reworking all 3rd party airplane stuff, plus working on patches, plus working on the BoB and what not.

In CFS2 there were ... a bunch of the ships at pearl harbor
Yeah. Guess who did most of them.
Also, go compare the stock CFS2 ships, or even those, user made, with the ship models in the PF and check the level of quality and detail on them, before posting such things about the CFS2.


I mean there is no flight envelope to speak of, just limit the speed to 25 to 35 knts and make the weapons operational.
It's all so easy, untill you try doing something yourself. So don't speak of things, you have no idea of, please.

Capt._Tenneal
05-10-2005, 07:52 AM
Well as far as ship modelling is concerned, I'd have to congratulate the PF modellers on their work, whatever side I am on in the "we need more ships or not" debate. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Some ship models in the game (the flattops, especially) are better modelled than the aircraft carriers in Silent Hunter III, and SH III is a naval game where ships play a bigger part than in a flight sim.

XyZspineZyX
05-10-2005, 08:18 AM
Hello,

I love everything that I see here!

Have all a nice day.

Paul.

269GA-Veltro
05-10-2005, 08:21 AM
Yes, the PF's ships are absolutely amazing, also better than the SH III ships.

I only hope they could save the Yorktown class.

jagdmailer
05-10-2005, 08:57 AM
I understand about the quality of the work and the amount of time required but if you are to produce a flight sim based on the Pacific theatre, I am afraid IMHO that several classes of ships are simply unavoidable:

- Yorktown class carrier (all important -Yorktown, Hornet, Enterprise)
- Arizona class BB
- at least one other US BB class
- at least one class Japanese BB
- at least one class Japanese heavy cruiser
- at least one small carrier class per IJN and US navy.

By one class, I mean not only a generic ship per class. Ie. if the class had 4 ships, then there should be at least 2 or 3 of the most important ones historically. If all of the ships within a class are important, then they should all be there.

The above is what I would consider a minimum on top of what is already in PF for a basic representation of Pacific Air warfare.

However, that's probably water under the bridge at this point in time, and it is far too late to save PF for what it is in comparison to prior Maddox products (whether or not the Nortrop/Grumman factor is applied): a disapointing product as a whole.

Let just hope Oleg has the business savy not to put Mr. Luthier in charge of such a scale of a project again.

M 2 cents,

Jagd

jagdmailer
05-11-2005, 09:18 AM
goshikisen

Goshikisen,

Not that my main interest lies with the Pacific, but I have not seen updates about the Mitsubishi J2M Raiden "Jack" lately, altough it was said it was being worked on as flyable. There was several updates about the Raiden for several months including WIP shots, then nothing recently.

Do you know what is going on with the Raiden and if it is still actively planned or it has been abbandonned or else ?

Thanks,

Jagd

goshikisen
05-11-2005, 10:39 AM
Originally posted by jagdmailer:

Do you know what is going on with the Raiden and if it is still actively planned or it has been abbandonned or else ?

Thanks,

Jagd

I'm hoping that the Raiden cockpit is one of the Japanese projects that SaQSoN and his associates have been commissioned to build. Other than the Nick I can't think of a better aircraft to complement the B-29. The Raiden cockpit looked like it was going to be another Ki-84 in terms of quality.

I've wondered if SaQSoN's new material represents a whole new add-on above and beyond the upcoming patch. As I've stated before... I'd be more than happy to pay for additional material for PF. Too bad Maddox Games can't come up with some sort of structure for releasing the content online... away from the confines of any agreement with a publisher that would limit their ability to sell in the West.

Regards, Goshikisen.

p.s. - does anyone know if the initially projected model of IJN Haruna was ever started, finished, rejected, mothballed?

SaQSoN
05-11-2005, 11:11 AM
J2M3 cockpit is finished for already few monthes now. Though, I have no idea, into which addon it will go. I can only say, that it will not be present in the 4.0.
As for it's quality, I affraid, Goshikisen exagerates a little. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

The Haruna wasn't started, as far as I know.

GoToAway
05-11-2005, 11:43 AM
Saqson, didn't you model the Yorktown? I'm about 90% sure that I saw a picture of it posted by you at Netwings quite a long time ago.

If you did, do you know if there's any possibility at all that we'll ever see it in the game?

goshikisen
05-11-2005, 12:14 PM
Originally posted by GoToAway:
Saqson, didn't you model the Yorktown? I'm about 90% sure that I saw a picture of it posted by you at Netwings quite a long time ago.

If you did, do you know if there's any possibility at all that we'll ever see it in the game?

GoToAway,

Here's a comp. of USS Yorktown I made up from a dev. shot that SaQSoN posted at least 6 months ago. Apparently there is still a chance (dont' know how good) that we may see this model in PF. This model alone would fill an enormous historical void in the sim.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v460/goshikisen/pf7.jpg

It'd be a shame to see this model and all of the work that it represents disappear. It's a shame that there are models that may never see the light of day... I suppose that's why I make up some of the "unofficial" screenshots of models that won't make it in the sim. A modest attempt at showcasing the talents of folks who support the series.

Regards, Goshikisen.

jagdmailer
05-11-2005, 12:25 PM
Originally posted by SaQSoN:
J2M3 cockpit is finished for already few monthes now. Though, I have no idea, into which addon it will go. I can only say, that it will not be present in the 4.0.
As for it's quality, I affraid, Goshikisen exagerates a little. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

The Haruna wasn't started, as far as I know.

SaQSoN,

Thanks for your update about the J2M3 Raiden "Jack" & your candor with providing us with information about what is going on with FB/AEP/PF at 1C/Maddox Games. Greatly appreciated http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif since unfortunately not much is coming from "official" sources these days http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Jagd