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XyZspineZyX
09-21-2003, 08:54 AM
Why does every server have arcade settings? Is there anyone who can fly without them? I've put up a full real late war server a few times and got nothing but one or two drifters in and out for hours. Everyone has some combination of icons, padlock, externals, map icons, speed bar. And those are on the most realistic servers. Do all of you really find it that difficult to fly an aircraft? Should I just give up on a full real server? Are they out there, and I'm just missing them? Can I possibly ask any more questions in this post? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-21-2003, 08:54 AM
Why does every server have arcade settings? Is there anyone who can fly without them? I've put up a full real late war server a few times and got nothing but one or two drifters in and out for hours. Everyone has some combination of icons, padlock, externals, map icons, speed bar. And those are on the most realistic servers. Do all of you really find it that difficult to fly an aircraft? Should I just give up on a full real server? Are they out there, and I'm just missing them? Can I possibly ask any more questions in this post? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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Message Edited on 09/21/0312:55AM by Stecher_3.-JG51

XyZspineZyX
09-21-2003, 08:57 AM
Full real is arcade too.

It's just the full real arcade.

Most people prefer to play games with the best settings. "Full real" is about as good as "easy" when it comes to the best settings for gameplay.

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XyZspineZyX
09-21-2003, 09:10 AM
In a strange way, I agree.

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Maybe when I get a 21 inch monitor with a state of the art system, running my FB at max resolution is highest options + 4x Anti-aliasing with an average FPS of higher than 50, then I think I'll disagree.. but until then, my less-than-20/20-vision unfortunately cannot handle iconless environment very much.

Tampered icon settings with various options such as no enemy icons, or no distances or etc.. is about the furthest I can go, without risking becoming blind the moment I turn 60.. but that's just me..





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XyZspineZyX
09-21-2003, 09:32 AM
Hello Stecher_3.-JG51

I will look for your server when next online. You don't mention the name of it or your location so I assume its the same name you use here ?.I am in the UK.

I move around the servers frequently between Ubi and Hyperlobby and fly on whatever takes my fancy, but I seldom stay more than an hour on any.

Hope to see you soon and good luck with getting more customers.

XyZspineZyX
09-21-2003, 09:41 AM
Stecher, are you looking on HyperLobby? I can normally find a couple of realistic servers there, sometimes more. I'm surprised you got such a small response to your full real server if it was on HL, as similar 'almost full real' servers are usually pretty busy.

I see you include padlock and speedbar in the list of things you'd like excluded. It can be hard to find a server without these, I'll admit. However, is it realistic that you can't read the compass in some ac (which do have a compass) if the speedbar is off? Try navigating at low-level in an early IL-2 without a readable compass; it's not impossible, but it should be easier. IMO a RL glance down at the primary instruments is better represented by a glance down at the speedbar than by fumbling with fingers and hat switches, plus possibly having to zoom in a little. Padlock I don't use much anymore. Played with it for a while, but had got used to hat only views from a previous sim. It's also possible to 'game the game' in a way p/l wasn't intended for (clouds), but overall I don't care if it's on or not. Given that some people now have TrackIR, which is beyond the control of the server, it seems reasonable to allow everyone else p/l.

My only real complaint with a fully real server would be the compass issue for certain ac. However, IMO the lack of speedbar and p/l doesn't make a server any more real in an overall sense. It makes some things harder. There are sound realism reasons for both to be on, just as there are for them to be turned off (some people could argue the same for limited icons). Overall, for me, speedbar and p/l don't add or detract from the realism (unless it means I can't look at the compass, which is just stupid /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif ).

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XyZspineZyX
09-21-2003, 10:09 AM
I agree with RBJ... /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif FB is just a game with full real settings or not. With FR is just the same sim with difficulty limitations, but don't you think that virtual flying w. FR converts you into a ready-for-action WW2 pilot... /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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Just an illusion, like the movies. And, hence, more the imagination of its creator than reality itself.

Anyone should play in the way he feels more comfortable and enjoys the more. We are in this for fun. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-21-2003, 10:27 AM
Why are you crying/whinning like a B-eye-tch at the same time you put down those(the majority of people so it seems by your own online foray)? You have got to be joking/trolling right?

XyZspineZyX
09-21-2003, 10:38 AM
Most of these are valid points, but let's not pretend that they leave us no other choice. I'm not on a 21" monitor, nor do I have a state of the art system, nor do I play on the best resolution. Yet I don't have any problems, other than the proper ones, when I fly with full real settings. It simply takes practice to get used to, and it isn't overwhelming. Spotting aircraft is supposed to be hard, probably harder than it is in FB. Keeping them in sight once spotted, however, is just the opposite, and definitely harder in FB than real life. So padlock I can understand, but the aspect of finding planes for you just cannot be balanced by its other attributes. The hiding compass issue, I fully understand. But really, how many IL-2s do you see out there in the dogfight servers? This is not what's keeping them away from full real servers. So, excluding the stupidly hidden gauges, the speedbar is not needed. Look at the gauges, that's what they are there for. Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to bash people who prefer easier settings. If that's what you like, that's fine. I just don't get why there aren't more who prefer realistic settings.

DuxCorvan and BlackPhenix, I'm sorry if that's how you interpreted my post, but that is not what I was suggesting at all. I am fully aware that I'm not a real WWII pilot, and yes, I do know this is a game. And yes, I do understand that most people fly and prefer to fly with non full real settings. I don't have the slightest problem with them doing that if that is what they like. I was only asking if there are really so few who prefer full realism, as best as we can represent it in FB.


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Message Edited on 09/21/0302:40AM by Stecher_3.-JG51

XyZspineZyX
09-21-2003, 11:01 AM
does seem to be only a few. CrazyIvan runs one on HL.

I like full real settings personally but happy to play on other bases as well.

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XyZspineZyX
09-21-2003, 12:09 PM
I wish there where more FR servers on HL!!

I always go to these servers. But, they are rare.



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