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XyZspineZyX
08-15-2003, 06:36 PM
I believe it is the Me-262. Whats your opinion

XyZspineZyX
08-15-2003, 06:36 PM
I believe it is the Me-262. Whats your opinion

XyZspineZyX
08-15-2003, 06:45 PM
I don't think there's a "best" plane anymore because each plane now has oodles of character. Which means that different pilots will get extremely different responses from the same planes. It is a lot closer to being the man and not the machine that counts.

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XyZspineZyX
08-15-2003, 06:54 PM
My opinion is it's not the 262.

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XyZspineZyX
08-15-2003, 06:54 PM
The La-5's and La-7's come apart at 740kmph, the Yak-3 comes apart at 840kmph. The P-39 comes apart at 890kmph. Something is not right there. The Yak always came apart sooner than La's. It looks like the best plane in the game has been hamstrung.

XyZspineZyX
08-15-2003, 06:58 PM
Don't expect too much from Russian balsa wood. The Planes break up where they belong now.

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08-15-2003, 07:00 PM
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Cpt.LoneRanger
08-15-2003, 07:03 PM
Agreed, Jetbuff!

IL2FB 1.1b is a LOT more balanced (and realistic) than it was before and no plane has such a hughe advantage over the other. It's really fun to see more different a/c in Online-Combat.

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XyZspineZyX
08-15-2003, 07:04 PM
Not sure what the best is now. My Fw 190A9 is no longer the piston engined god. La-7's can catch it on the deck, albiet with great difficulty. But at the same time I can do break turns that they can't possibly hope to follow and outrun them at medium altitude.

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XyZspineZyX
08-15-2003, 07:14 PM
"The La-5's and La-7's come apart at 740kmph, the Yak-3 comes apart at 840kmph. The P-39 comes apart at 890kmph. Something is not right there. The Yak always came apart sooner than La's. It looks like the best plane in the game has been hamstrung."


That's not wrong. I read that it was allowed for a Fw190A pilot to open fire up to 860km/h (fuselage guns only), so it seems logic to me that the aircraft could fly safely at least some more kilometers in a dive!

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XyZspineZyX
08-15-2003, 07:20 PM
Maj_Death wrote:
- Not sure what the best is now. My Fw 190A9 is no
- longer the piston engined god. La-7's can catch it
- on the deck, albiet with great difficulty. But at
- the same time I can do break turns that they can't
- possibly hope to follow and outrun them at medium
- altitude.
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XyZspineZyX
08-15-2003, 07:24 PM
It IS the pilot and not the plane moreso now than before, but seeing MANY more FW's online would cause me to think it has improved to a point to put it slightly ahead of the rest. IMHO



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XyZspineZyX
08-15-2003, 07:24 PM
Right. Now 190 can rule the sky in the hands of skilled pilot. Yeeheeee.. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif



CHDT wrote:
- "The La-5's and La-7's come apart at 740kmph, the
- Yak-3 comes apart at 840kmph. The P-39 comes apart
- at 890kmph. Something is not right there. The Yak
- always came apart sooner than La's. It looks like
- the best plane in the game has been hamstrung."
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-
- That's not wrong. I read that it was allowed for a
- Fw190A pilot to open fire up to 860km/h (fuselage
- guns only), so it seems logic to me that the
- aircraft could fly safely at least some more
- kilometers in a dive!
-
- Cheers,
-
-

XyZspineZyX
08-15-2003, 07:24 PM
The 190's are really nice planes now. I still love the A series best. The A9 being my favorite, but not by much over the A5. The Dora's are nice, but I just don't like their looks, and I like the air cooled radial better.

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ZG77_Nagual
08-15-2003, 07:28 PM
Agreed - the 190 - particularly the a9 - rules the roost right now. I have to say I've been flying 190s since day 1 - and they are now so good I may switch - the dora will outturn the a9 by the way, among other things

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XyZspineZyX
08-15-2003, 07:33 PM
The Dora is a nice plane no doubt. It's the fastest 190. Good climb. Seems to stall less, but I could be wrong there. It carries alot on ammo. Auto pitch seems to work as good as manual pitch.

There just seems to be something about the a series that's so appealing. It just looks like a tougher plane. It also covers all the years except 41. If you get used to the Dora. Your stuck in 44 and up.

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adlabs6
08-15-2003, 07:33 PM
I'm liking the Fw190A's, The A9, but A5 also is good. On the Russian side, the P39 seems my favorite so far.

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XyZspineZyX
08-15-2003, 07:43 PM
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- Planes break up where they belong now.
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XyZspineZyX
08-15-2003, 08:02 PM
My votes for post-patch planes:

Most improved: Yak 9T - out turns Yak3s, E bleed is irrelevant and that cannon can net you 10 kills a sortie.

Most neutered: Hurricanes - Top speed extremely hampered, turning is a joke with that E bleed now and she seems twitchier at high speeds.

Most fun: Yak 9T - It's a blast, literally, to work right behind someone, say <100m and shove a 37mm up their tailpipe. It takes wings at will and tails might as well tuck between their legs and run home, cause that 37mm is going to smack that tail if they don't./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Most kills: LA7 3xB20 or Yak 9T (Last night in a limited ammo game, got 11 in one sortie with the Yak 9T and 7 with the LA7 3xB20 in another)

Those are my Russian votes so far for the planes I've flown and how they did against the other big names: Yak3, LA7, 109s and 190s. Of course, I haven't met any Axis aces yet in the 9T, but the few good ines I've met I found that they can't turn with the 9T and I can stay close enough to get a shot if they try to extend or go for an extended climb.

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XyZspineZyX
08-15-2003, 08:06 PM
The Yak9T was always a noob plane in IL2. It looks like they made it one again.

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XyZspineZyX
08-15-2003, 08:17 PM
All Yaks look the same from above the clouds, waaaay up high [maximum snobism mode] : they emmit the distinct smell of a nubie, and itch for a well placed 30mm shell. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Then, if they look to the left, they can see their left wing, if they look to the right, they can see their right wing, if they look below, they can see their fusalge, and if they look up, they can see their chute and a 109 zooming up and disappearing in a cloud again, scanning for a new victim below. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
08-15-2003, 08:25 PM
Shark.. wrote:
- I believe it is the Me-262. Whats your opinion


I also believe it is the me262. it can't beat planes like la7 at their own game, but when flown like it was built for, it will beat every other plane in the game.

XyZspineZyX
08-15-2003, 08:42 PM
How can it be the 262 when it was much better before the patch??? Except for the hokey stuff that happened if you tried to keep her in the air with one engine flamed out.
At least that was fixed. Before the patch, I used to fly level and leave La's, Yaks and P-39s behind and after I was about 1.5 or 2 Kilos out in front of them, I'd zoom climb so high they couldn't zoom up to catch me. I'd loop over, pick one of the floundering planes out, get a sighting solution and then dive on him and let him have it. Now after the patch, when I try that, the planes are right there on my tail with enough energy to get their sights on me!! That's B.S.!! Personally, I think that the amount of energy the 262 would store up after reaching that kind of speed, it would probably be more like it was before the patch, not after. Think about all that weight going so fast, coupled with extremely slippery aerodynamics, the energy build up would be enormous for a nice zoom climb. Even with all that weight, it would defy gravity for quite a while, like it did before the patch. It would certainly outzoom any of the aforementioned russian/american planes!!!! Especially since it really isn't THAT much heavier than those other planes and is going much faster when it starts the zoom climb, the way I did it. Plus the vastly superior aerodynamics, I mean it had a nice pointy nose and swept wings the other planes didn't. And it has no prop drag.

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XyZspineZyX
08-15-2003, 09:15 PM
Vo101_Isegrim wrote:

"All Yaks look the same from above the clouds, waaaay up high [maximum snobism mode] : they emmit the distinct smell of a nubie, and itch for a well placed 30mm shell. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Then, if they look to the left, they can see their
left wing, if they look to the right, they can see their right wing, if they look below, they can see their fusalge, and if they look up, they can see their chute and a 109 zooming up and disappearing in a cloud again, scanning for a new victim below. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif"

A week ago, I would have to agree with you, Isegrim. I wouldn't even be flying a Yak9T against any of the top planes a week ago. Post-patch, I have found out these things about the 109's against the 9T:

- Below 2500m, the 109 is one of those 15 minute burning wrecks on the ground.

- I've been testing some tactics and found that staying over 450 at 2500m, while 109 is above, when they dive, I can quickly raise the nose at them for a "headon", break 90? left or right to avoid, break 90? vertical and two things happen here:

1. He keeps diving past, wherein I'll just keep the zoom climb going to stay as high, rolling it over the top in a high immelman and being a km or two off his six or...

2. If he tries to go back up again, split s underneath him, and since the 9T quickly gets going to 400+ and as he's thinking he has enough speed to climb away, come underneath from less than a km away and take his wing, tail or just incinerate the 109 as it stalls at the top of its zoom back up.

Now, there are some great 109 pilots around here, but I'm saying the "new" 9T can handle the B and Z and does it well on its own. Zoom climbing behind 109s isn't hard and out-turning them is a given.

Of course, these are only my experiences so far with the patched 9T and against only a few of the aces. Your mileage may vary./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
08-15-2003, 09:21 PM
with the new FM it is even more the pilot & even LESS the plane

XyZspineZyX
08-15-2003, 09:40 PM
I believe it is the Me-262. Whats your opinion
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No way, its wings were clipped.

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XyZspineZyX
08-15-2003, 10:09 PM
mortoma wrote:
- How can it be the 262 when it was much better before
- the patch??? Except for the hokey stuff that
- happened if you tried to keep her in the air with
- one engine flamed out.
- At least that was fixed. Before the patch, I used to
- fly level and leave La's, Yaks and P-39s behind and
- after I was about 1.5 or 2 Kilos out in front of
- them, I'd zoom climb so high they couldn't zoom up
- to catch me. I'd loop over, pick one of the
- floundering planes out, get a sighting solution and
- then dive on him and let him have it. Now after the
- patch, when I try that, the planes are right there
- on my tail with enough energy to get their sights on
- me!! That's B.S.!! Personally, I think that the
- amount of energy the 262 would store up after
- reaching that kind of speed, it would probably be
- more like it was before the patch, not after. Think
- about all that weight going so fast, coupled with
- extremely slippery aerodynamics, the energy build up
- would be enormous for a nice zoom climb. Even with
- all that weight, it would defy gravity for quite a
- while, like it did before the patch. It would
- certainly outzoom any of the aforementioned
- russian/american planes!!!! Especially since it
- really isn't THAT much heavier than those other
- planes and is going much faster when it starts the
- zoom climb, the way I did it. Plus the vastly
- superior aerodynamics, I mean it had a nice pointy
- nose and swept wings the other planes didn't. And it
- has no prop drag.
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agreed the 262 has been wrecked but bet the bl1 will be uber even though it shouldnt be in the game think the 262 was waxing oposition so it got neutered...http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

XyZspineZyX
08-15-2003, 10:15 PM
NO WAY !!! the Me262 could be the best plane in Fb, I just kicked Nowotny's a$$ in aP-39/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif I would say that a La7 would be good enough for an00b, but If you are more experienced You Could try the Cobra or the P-47, They are really good now../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
08-15-2003, 10:33 PM
You mean you kicked the AI's a$$ with a Nowotny skin on it../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
08-15-2003, 10:48 PM
I still don`t get what fun is it in flying jets? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
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XyZspineZyX
08-15-2003, 11:02 PM
Buzz, Is there anything more logical?? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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08-15-2003, 11:03 PM
Buzz...oh man /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
08-16-2003, 12:31 AM
I dont understand what you guys are talking about - reduced Me262 speed? I tested it out and at sea level I got it up to 800-850 kph. Yes, there is a lot of energy bleed in turns but I believe that the top speeds have not been altered.

XyZspineZyX
08-16-2003, 12:43 AM
Ivan,

Jets can be fun. You can have guns only servers. You also have on sight missles. The dogfights can be just as intence as FB. Your just going faster, and can see better (important for me).

You also have the A-10 warthog that doesn't go much faster than the fast planes in FB. It's for ground attacks, and should be a blast to fly.

Thr beauty of the VFA-25 squad is they will fly both Lock-On, and FB. thet's why I joined them. I want they option to do both. After all. I can't give up on my P-51../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
08-16-2003, 01:52 AM
BuzzU wrote:
- Ivan,
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- Jets can be fun. You can have guns only servers.
- You also have on sight missles. The dogfights can be
- just as intence as FB. Your just going faster, and
- can see better (important for me).
-
-
- You also have the A-10 warthog that doesn't go much
- faster than the fast planes in FB. It's for ground
- attacks, and should be a blast to fly.
-

Buzz,

I can't wait for A-10 guns only servers...

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XyZspineZyX
08-16-2003, 01:58 AM
Never thought of DF the A-10. I figured i'd use the F-15 for that. It sounds like fun against other A-10's, but would get slaughtered agains fighters.

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XyZspineZyX
08-16-2003, 03:07 AM
Whoever said the 262, its exactly the same as 1.0. If you couldn't work the throttle easy enough to not blow it up, you're an idiot. Doesn't mean the plane is any better. Only difference is they made the aerodynamics a little better, it can "glide" down to safety if you have a flameout in one engine.

XyZspineZyX
08-16-2003, 05:27 AM
Too soon to said, need to fly all planes to decide but I-16 now easy to shot down!

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XyZspineZyX
08-16-2003, 05:27 AM
Lonewolf85 wrote:
- I dont understand what you guys are talking about -
- reduced Me262 speed? I tested it out and at sea
- level I got it up to 800-850 kph. Yes, there is a
- lot of energy bleed in turns but I believe that the
- top speeds have not been altered.
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Have you tried climbing? I just played offline. 8xPe-8s at 7500m at 300kph. I had 3 262s at 5000meters. Barely able to climb to their altitude, when they passed, I reversed and could not catch them!!!!!! I tried diving to gain speed, and zoom up, could not gain on them. Total BS. The patch ruined the best aircraft in WW2. Now its just like a souped up prop plane. I uninstalled patch, then replayed scenario. I could catch them with ease. As I should be able to. Killed one, went around again and got killed by eagle eye AI! Oleg had the 262 right the first time.

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08-16-2003, 07:38 AM
It's still way to soon to ask ,for me anyways.

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