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Yimmy
02-14-2005, 11:16 AM
Is there a good information source on this aircraft anywhere?
It is not in the object viewer for some reason...

Yimmy
02-14-2005, 11:16 AM
Is there a good information source on this aircraft anywhere?
It is not in the object viewer for some reason...

Capt._Tenneal
02-14-2005, 11:32 AM
Check the ReadMe file for the Ace Expansion Pack. I believe there is detailed information on the I-185 there, almost what would have gone into the Object Viewer.

Yimmy
02-14-2005, 12:06 PM
Cheers

Edit - Couldnt find any mention of it in the readmes.
Any other sources?

Friendly_flyer
02-14-2005, 01:42 PM
The I-185 was made by the same constructor that built the stubby I-16. You can perhaps see they have a few things in common. The constructor wanted to make a better, more modern plane than the aging I-16, but had problems finding a suitable engine. In addition, Stalin’s favourite test pilot was killed during test flight, and the whole project was cancelled. A few flew, and was (I may be wrong here) even transferred to frontline units, but never saw combat. The next generation of fighters to be was in stead the La-series, which the I-185 looks a bit like.

The plane was included in the game to honour one of the test pilots, whose relative work with Maddox games. All though the plane never got the chances to prove its worth in the real world, it can at least fly in the virtual sky of FB/AEP.

Hawgdog
02-14-2005, 02:08 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Yimmy:
Is there a good information source on this aircraft anywhere?
It is not in the object viewer for some reason... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>



Best climb rate of all new planes!



http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v22/HawgDog/vertical.jpg

Capt._Tenneal
02-14-2005, 02:12 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Yimmy:
Cheers

Edit - Couldnt find any mention of it in the readmes.
Any other sources? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

CORRECTION : Thanks for pointing it out. I found it now. It is on the AEP patch 2.01 ReadMe (the patch that introduced the I-185 to the game). Here is the I-185 portion of the ReadMe.

Additional Information about the I-185

We’re including these two aircraft as a token of gratitude to V. Loginov - the founder of the sukhoi.ru resource that was very supportive throughout the year of creation of the Il-2; and with esteem to his grandfather, who had the honour of test-flying these two.

I-185 M-82, 1941

Type: multi-role fighter.

Weight:
Take-0ff: 3,735 kg
Full loaded: 3,825 kg

Length: 8.1 m
Wingspan: 9.8 m
Wing area: 15.53 sq. m

Engine: 1 x M-82
Power:
Take-off: 1,600 HP
Indicated: 1,390 HP

Top speed:
Ground Level: 549 km/h
At 6,170 m: 615 km/h

Time to climb to 5,000 m: 6 min

Ceiling: 10,450 m
Range: 1,380 km

Armament:
3x20mm ShVAK cannons
500 kg of bombs

I-185 with the M-82 engine was intended to be the I-185 with increased armament. Instead of two large-caliber and two small-caliber machine guns the I-185 M-82 was equipped with three 20mm ShVAKs. In addition to that the plane also had a redesigned canopy, gear struts and fuselage. Altogether two prototypes were built; the first flew on July 21st 1941. Both I-185 M-82s participated in front-line trials between December of 1942 and January 1943.

Advantages:
Excellent speed characteristics
Ease of control
Powerful armament

Disadvantages:
Slower climb rate than I-185 M-71.

I-185 M-71 (production standard), 1942

Type: multi-role fighter.

Weight:
Take-0ff: 3,735 kg
Full loaded: 3,825 kg

Length: 8.05 m
Wingspan: 9.8 m
Wing area: 15.53 sq. m

Engine: 1 x M-71
Power:
Take-off: 2,000 HP
Indicated: 1,625 HP

Top speed:
Ground Level: 600 km/h
At 6,170 m: 680 km/h

Time to climb to 5,000 m: 4.7 min

Ceiling: 10,000 m
Range: 835 km

Armament:
3x20mm ShVAK cannons
500 kg of bombs

The I-185 prototype equipped with the M-71 engine which first flew on June 10, 1942 was designated a “production standard”, i.e. a prototype which was to be used as a standard for future production. Compared to other prototypes of the series many defects were resolved and the overall aerodynamics improved. The I-185 M-71 production standard was built from the blueprints intended for serial production.

The I-185 M-71 production standard, in addition to the I-185 M-71 #6204 and two I-185 M-82 went through front line combat testing between December of 1942 and January of 1943. Speed and climb rate of this prototype were vastly superior to all contemporary Soviet fighters. However due to political reason and lobbying from Polikarpov’s enemies the project never entered production and was cancelled.

Advantages:
Excellent speed characteristics
Excellent climb rate
Ease of control
Powerful armament

Disadvantages:
Uncomfortable throttle lever

Yimmy
02-14-2005, 04:11 PM
Thanks for that - I don't have said patch readme.

Its a great aircraft mind, can out-run anything at low level.

Jaws2002
02-14-2005, 10:19 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Capt._Tenneal:

. Speed and climb rate of this prototype were vastly superior to all contemporary Soviet fighters. However due to political reason and lobbying from Polikarpov’s enemies the project never entered production and was cancelled.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


And you belive that ?

CTO88
02-15-2005, 12:11 AM
three I-185 were tested by 728.iap in 1942. commander wrote about excellent statistics.
officialy i-185 was cancelled because of the high wingload. i-185m71 wingload was higher than 190a, and i-18m82 was wingload was higher than la-5 but only 10-15km/h faster in sl.

Capt_Haddock
02-15-2005, 11:51 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jaws2002:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Capt._Tenneal:
... However due to political reason and lobbying from Polikarpov’s enemies the project never entered production and was cancelled.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

And you belive that ? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I do http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

"Chkalov lost his life on 15 December 1938, while testing the new Polikarpov I-180 prototype. This tragedy sent shockwaves throughout the entire Soviet aviation community. Several designers from the Polikarpov Design Bureau were arrested for "Wrecking" and "Sabotage" by Stalin, and no other Polikarpov design ever entered production."

More here:
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/russia/chkalov.htm

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Capt._Tenneal
02-15-2005, 12:05 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jaws2002:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Capt._Tenneal:

. Speed and climb rate of this prototype were vastly superior to all contemporary Soviet fighters. However due to political reason and lobbying from Polikarpov’s enemies the project never entered production and was cancelled.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


And you belive that ? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I just copied what is in the Readme word for word. I was trying to help Yimmy out. I never stated any opinion on this. It never occured to me that I'd have to place a disclaimer. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Whatsmypassword
02-16-2005, 02:57 AM
http://il2.sukhoi.ru/i185/i185s_photos.php

http://il2.sukhoi.ru/i185/photos/tn_i185s.jpg

http://il2.sukhoi.ru/i185/photos/tn_i185m71.jpg