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ZK-DABLIN
01-01-2006, 08:24 PM
I've been flying online for almost a couple of months now and have become aware of the difference between people concerning how they expose themselves to given situations.

Most people go full on and place themselves in situations (even extremly outnumbered) just to take out one guy (or try to). This places them in near mortal danger and they very rarely make it back out alive. This is something I couldn't imagine any real combat pilot ever trying to do on purpose.

Others I see as opportunists and will remain high and far until some pour soul flys into their crosshairs. Like a spider and a fly.

What is your approach to your virtual life(s)? Do you sacrifice it to make an easy kill or do you fight like you are there for real, and one bad move starts to get your heart beating and sweat pouring for some easy escape from the bad situation?

Many don't take this simulator seriously, that I already know, and are more then willing to just click refly and start over, while others are more analytical and try their very best to only take an advantage in a situation with B&Zing and even performing high-speed escape tactics when engaged; which is funnily enough something someone only does when they hold some value on something they don't want to lose.

If you do value your virtual lives, to what extent will you attempt to keep it, and if not, why not? Do you consider points more important then your lives.

I'm surprised most servers don't adopt and kill+ death- approach to the point system, where your points are supplemented with kills and penalised with death.

Ace_Hyflyer
01-01-2006, 08:46 PM
I respect my virtual life and try to keep it, most of the time!

Anytime I get into an engagement my heart starts pounding, I start sweating cause I know I'll be in danger. If I'm out numbered I will disengage and run for home or friends, trying to dodge fire, and I will crash land if necessary.

I try to enter a fight with an advantage, but I'm a little impatient sometimes http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Most of the time if I die it was cause I spun or crashed, I don't get shot down too often :P (Knock on wood)

Chris

Snuffly
01-01-2006, 08:59 PM
I'll go for some daring actions from time to time. Like if there are a bunch of people and im out numbered, i'll stay high, and B&Z em.


Oh and real pilots in WW2 did some prty amazing stuff.


This P-47 ace (for the love of god i can't remember the name)


I read his book and if my memory serves me correctly...

He had two 109's on his six in enemy territory, he dove down to the deck and was preparing to pass a german military camp with AA guns.
He remembered reading in his flight manual that if you where low and fast, flak or AA would usually miss you and stay behind you, due to inexperienced gunners not leading targets.

He zoomed right past all those AA guns and guess what, the AA shot behind him, what was behind him? two 109's.


That right there is a chance.

neural_dream
01-01-2006, 09:06 PM
When I get killed/captured offline I play again after 2 weeks.

When I get killed/captured online I disconnect for the day.

So, I suppose I do.

Tully__
01-01-2006, 09:34 PM
I fly for survival (though often un-successfully) and take kills/points as a bonus where they present themselves to me. Same deal in DF or coop, but especially in coop coz if I get myself killed early in the mission I have to wait a lot longer before flying again.

p-11.cAce
01-01-2006, 09:39 PM
I spend the vast majority of my time playing off-line campaigns & I have always restarted any campaign when I get killed - though if I bail & get captured I will refly. So I guess I take it half seriously http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

BuzzU
01-01-2006, 09:51 PM
Yes.

LStarosta
01-01-2006, 09:54 PM
Originally posted by BuzzU:
Yes.

Disagree.

corvette93
01-01-2006, 10:05 PM
I am an opportunist. I stay high and look for a lone bandit or one that is damaged and trying to get home. If my bounce is unsuccessfulI will not pursue if he has friends or is near an enemy AF.

Bearcat99
01-01-2006, 10:15 PM
Originally posted by Tully__:
I fly for survival (though often un-successfully) and take kills/points as a bonus where they present themselves to me. Same deal in DF or coop, but especially in coop coz if I get myself killed early in the mission I have to wait a lot longer before flying again.

My take on it.....

Dash_C.
01-01-2006, 10:22 PM
Originally posted by MB_Avro_UK:
hi all,

Many years ago, my driving instructor (for a professsional qualification) was a Hurricane pilot in North Africa during WW2.He was a very dour Yorkshireman (but aren't they all? Wink

He moaned that they always received ammo,fuel and rations but it was never possible to receive letters from home!!

He also recounted the following story:

He and his squadron of Hurricanes were flying over the desert when he noticed a similar number of bf109s flying alongside. He did not radio his sighting as he wanted to survive the war! Gradually, both formations drifted apart.

That evening in the bar it transpired thet other pilots had seen the enemy but also had not raised the alarm.

I wonder what had been said in the German bar? Maybe they had reached the same conclusion?


This would have been a very different story if it happened in IL2. I suppose it shows that the value placed on one's life affects the nature of combat.

Gold_Monkey
01-01-2006, 10:35 PM
I try to imagine myself as if I were a combat pilot at the time and place. If I get into a jam,with an enemy scoring hits on me I try to use my opponents greed for a kill against him, I try manuvers that will get him to stall and crash. Sometimes it works.........Other times it don't. Yes I value my virtual life, Big Time. I try to put myself there and then as if it were real...........Isn't what this sim is about? The other 23 hours a day I live a real life http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Jumoschwanz
01-02-2006, 12:05 AM
No matter if it is a flight sim or any other aspect of life, when the ego gets involved in it, it turns it into $h1T.......

You pick a name to fly under and to post on forums, and it kind of gets away from you and becomes a life of it's own, a F97*(ckin Frankenstein monster run amuck.

It's interactions on servers and forums are what it is, and are what others judge it by.

I don't like that as shole Jumoschwanz most of the time, I just have to live with him now though, I cannot kill him, he has taken me hostage and has a knife to my throat. I don't think he is well liked anywhere else either, just tolerated more or less. He better watch his back, because if I find a crack to put my fingers into, I am going to rip his F*&#king head of and be done with it all.

HOw about if we have a night where we all get him on a server and kill him over and over again until nothing is left? He is not the best pilot out there, but is good enough that he can be a bastard to kill sometimes. He needs a good and relentless a s s whipping to be reborn and enjoy life again.
Thanks in advance,

Jumoschwanz



Jumoschwanz

Kapteeni
01-02-2006, 01:26 AM
Originally posted by p-11.cAce:
I spend the vast majority of my time playing off-line campaigns & I have always restarted any campaign when I get killed - though if I bail & get captured I will refly. So I guess I take it half seriously http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
Me too. But i also always create new player. I`m running out of names http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif And i never will finnish any campaign. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

F19_Olli72
01-02-2006, 02:15 AM
To a certain point only, otherwise i wouldnt fly bombers, and thats missing out, Stuka, IL2 etc are the fun planes to fly.

In a Stuka, if fighters dont get you, the flak propably will. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

VV_Holdenb
01-02-2006, 02:19 AM
Do I value my virtual life....

Not often - I play for fun. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

rnzoli
01-02-2006, 02:44 AM
Offline, yes. I always switch off vulnerability in QMB practice shooting sessions http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Online, no. With my capabilities, I would never go online, if I valued my virtual life.

But since I regularly fly on a server with something similar to death-kick http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif, this forces me to be careful to a certain extent, avoid fight in disadvantage, disengage a chase when someone else is closing on my tail, abandon further ground attacks when wings look like swiss cheese from AAA.

cygfrain
01-02-2006, 02:45 AM
I've been "flying" online regularly for about 3 or 4 months. When I first started I'd thrash about in any room that would have me, mostly flying Spits and mostly getting killed. Then I discovered the rooms that tended towards varying degrees of realism and proper plane sets (i.e. Axis a/c to blue and Allied a/c to red) and I've started to specialize around allied a/c P38s or Spits depending on the plane sets.

These days I try to survive, my tactics are dictated by the situation and the strengths and weaknesses of the a/c that I am "flying". If I am loosing I will tend to retreat, bailout or crashland rather than fight on to the bitter end. After all, a quick study of history shows us that the a/c tended to be expendable whilst the pilot was an expensive and finite resource.

WOLFMondo
01-02-2006, 02:59 AM
I don't like loosing my virtual pilot so I do all I can to keep him alive.

madsarmy
01-02-2006, 03:32 AM
Originally posted by F19_Olli72:
To a certain point only, otherwise i wouldnt fly bombers, and thats missing out, Stuka, IL2 etc are the fun planes to fly.

In a Stuka, if fighters dont get you, the flak propably will. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Like you Olli I fly the bombers online. You get used to hitting refly.

You spend ages fighting off a fighter hoping one of your gunners will put some holes in him. The fighter finally breaks off & heads for home.
Time to get your battered crate back when. Bang! Plane rolls! look out left window, look out right window. No wing!
So there you are hanging in the air with flak burst's popping your ear drum's & thinking to yourself. "That's Rotton Luck!" or words to that effect.
Destiny is staring you in the face. Your hitting the ground as Swiss Cheese.

Vipez-
01-02-2006, 06:20 AM
Well it's very rare to see people value their virtual life online, usually that only happens in virtual wars at some degree..

SeaFireLIV
01-02-2006, 06:38 AM
Well let me see, when online in missions I...

1. Like to fly with a Wingman (preferably on comms), so i have some warning and backup.

2. I try to take on enemies that are lower than me, but not if other enemies are higher.

3. I don`t take on more enemies than in my group unless cornered or one of my team`s in trouble. So i`ll bug out if possible.

4. I get really annoyed if I get virtually killed in a stupid way - like taxxing into a friendly Wingman that`s parked due to my own carelessness, when we had just had an excellent sortie taking down 3 109s together.


yea, so i do value my virtual life. Good thing we get more than one.

blairgowrie
01-02-2006, 06:55 AM
I fly on-line coops mostly and have learnt that if you are killed early, you are out until the next coop. It soons dawns on you that staying alive longer greatly adds to game enjoyment.

A few things I have learnt are:

1. When you first sight the enemy don't immediately rush into them. Try a slow climbing approach to try and get behind them and then approach in a gentle dive. If they are much higher than you, then turn away from them and climb like heck.

2. I keep mirrors turned on at all times.
Amazing how often you will glimpse a enemy ac on your six.

3. If you are chasing an enemy plane and someone warns you there is another behind you, break contact immediately. Even although you have a great firing solution on your opponent, get out of there immediately or you will surely die.

4. Ground pounders die more often than fighters.

Gulag_Muddox
01-02-2006, 11:40 AM
If I get killed, I go and have a lie down in the spare room for a few days, surviving only on what insects I can find there....mainly spiders.

If I am captured, I go and live in the backyard for a fortnight, if while I am out there I get forgetful and wander into the house I immediately go to the dog kennel (I call it the 'cooler') and stay there for 48 hours.

My wife says I take my flying too seriously but I ignore her as I think she is a spy for the Gestapo.

IL2-chuter
01-02-2006, 03:54 PM
I play both IL2 and COD2 online . . .

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

What is this . . . "virtual life". . . that you refer to?

Clan_Graham
01-02-2006, 04:16 PM
If I'm flying "lone wolf"...then I don't give a **** about my virtual life.

If I'm flying with a wing man...then <span class="ev_code_YELLOW">HIS</span> virtual life is the <span class="ev_code_YELLOW">ONLY</span> thing I give a **** about.

carguy_
01-02-2006, 05:33 PM
Originally posted by bailgowrie:
4. Ground pounders die more often than fighters.

Especially LW/USAAF ground pounders.The main problem is that you don`t see you enemy,you only see his tracers and follow them.

In wide cockpit view a plane trace can be lost in the background starting from 300m.For B&Zers that LW/USAAF planes are the situation completely strips them out of the alt advantage.
What can you do if you can`t see the enemy below you?
An escort fighter cannot manage the situation because all enemy forces are in stealth mode,happily pounding his bombers.

Either you go down there to see the enemy or you lose your entire bomber formation.

The first option however,places you(as in escort fighter) in a position of sitting duck.

Escort missions work on winter maps.

Siwarrior
01-02-2006, 05:38 PM
I always enter the fight ( if i can) with an advantage, i will always try to be at 4000m+

Too me just living through a mission is a success and if i get a kill it is a bonus,

Although if my wingman is in trouble I will do my outmost to keep him alive even if it means Iwill die http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Kapteeni
01-03-2006, 08:29 AM
Originally posted by Gulag_Muddox:
If I get killed, I go and have a lie down in the spare room for a few days, surviving only on what insects I can find there....mainly spiders.

If I am captured, I go and live in the backyard for a fortnight, if while I am out there I get forgetful and wander into the house I immediately go to the dog kennel (I call it the 'cooler') and stay there for 48 hours.

My wife says I take my flying too seriously but I ignore her as I think she is a spy for the Gestapo. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gifBest user name so far

Viper2005_
01-03-2006, 10:40 AM
I value my virtual life fairly highly, as I fly on a deathkick server, but I also ground pound. I'm probably better at hitting things with bombs than cannon fire, and I have become a reasonably effective vulcher. They haven't caught me yet. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

Half of the fun for me is in doing something dangerous, and getting away with it safely through careful planning, good tactics and competant flying.

Winning the map is my main goal. Staying alive comes second, keeping my buddies alive comes third, and building up a personal score is a distant fourth.

Stafroty
01-03-2006, 12:41 PM
good and not so easy question for makin answer on it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif ill try to explain with my excellent English what im up to :P

so, it depends alot what you are after for in sim, in Digfight servers you dont have to care about your virtual life so much, if you want to learn the basics and bit more about flying, nobody is top ace right from the start, people need to go in TnB style of fight to learn what is good and what is bad, if i want to learn to become better TnB pilot, i will not care so much about my "life" i just then care about learnning the new tricks and moves. when, its fun, and even if you are surrounded by many enemies and you are alone, situation isnt always hopeless. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif there is always a chanse of survival and being called cheater if you manage to kill em all all alone http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

its good to grow skills in different styles of aviation. Nowadays i mostly respect my virtual life and try to kill enemies in way that i dont put myself in anykind of danger, make it most safest way, still really effective way. you cant do it if you dont understand what enemy fighters can do in their current pos, speed, alt and heading compared to you. dont expect them to do anything, just think what they are able to do and act by that. Keep your own *** in safe in all situations. if things goes nasty, start to do it dirty, attack them without mercy, shoot em down as fast you can.

soo, its all so clear for me http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

question should be what you care the most, getting better pilot as growing experience in different situations or are you chicken **** who afraids to die virtually? those who afraid sucks the most. just stop caring about dying, or worrying about anything, just do what is most efficient first. when you got skill enougt, start to worry about life etc http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif thats how i did it and most who i know to be best of the best http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

S! to all Great pilots and pilots who are becoming great http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

ZK-DABLIN
01-03-2006, 10:43 PM
Originally posted by Stafroty:

question should be what you care the most, getting better pilot as growing experience in different situations or are you chicken **** who afraids to die virtually? those who afraid sucks the most. just stop caring about dying, or worrying about anything, just do what is most efficient first. when you got skill enougt, start to worry about life etc http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif thats how i did it and most who i know to be best of the best http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

S! to all Great pilots and pilots who are becoming great http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

That is a good question, but from a certain perspective you can obtain that this isn't entirely true.

A real-life pilot does not have the luxary of sacrificing their life to better their air combat skills, though it cannot be denied fear would be restrictive; but I believe that is the nature of fear. A sort of stop now or else, scenario with your life on wager.

I guess though if someone isn't willing to alteast face their fear and accept the potential of death I couldn't imagine any combat pilot getting in a plane to begin with. Also because of this they wouldn't become veteran or ace pilots and therefore they may be like you say a 'chicken' A live chicken at that though.

BUT: Fear is something not to be ignored, especially in real life; if fear is induced for any reason it must atleast be understood why it is occurring. Fear is a natural instinct bound so deeply into all animal life and its necessity in survival should never be underestimated.

In terms of virtual warfare though, we as virtual pilots are given a unique advantaged to better our air combat abilities despite the loss of numerous virtual lives. How many lives have I lost? I couldn't hazzard a guess if my real life depended on it. Thousands that is for certain.

With the limited experience I have within any flight simulation and the apparent ease of death, I hold great respect towards those WW2 pilots (from all nations) which did this for real.

Whether they survived or not is not a concern to me, it is just they were willing to risk and sacrifice their lives (like most other participants in war) to save themselves and their nation from their enemy; and that is what I respect.

We as virtual pilots have very little to lose in whether we win or die, in real life their success or failure could have and probably would have had dramatic consequences for many other people in their nation, familys, friends etc.

Sorry, I know I got a little off subject here, I was just contemplating on the past, and through this the realisation of how absolutely grateful, as a pilot (even in real life), I am not required to strap on some weapons and kill other people for mine and my countrys sake became apparant.

If I had to though, would I? Probably. Would I ever want to: HELL NO!

Enjoy the airwar people, fly safe and watch your six!

Dablin

HotelBushranger
01-04-2006, 12:57 AM
In coops, I take it seriously. Sometimes in df servers, I do. I do when flying bombers (e.g. OnlineMT, flying 10 minutes up the coast to get back to base after getting chased for 30 minutes by 2 fighters and downing them both http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif).

Offline, I suppose not. But I also don't want to have to redo the mission 50 times, that turns me off the campaign straight away.