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mrsiCkstar
05-04-2006, 07:19 PM
Hey everyone.

Been playing IL2 for a good while now but only really flew the fighters and did some mud moving with the IL2 and the Dauntless for example.

However I've started to become increasingly interested in flying the bombers. Just today on the zeke vs wildcat server I tried the B-25 and it felt so cool I've decided to really start learning how to properly fly those things.

Anyway, I had a lot of problems with the bombsight and especially the attack run itself... keeping the plane steady while looking through the sight is really difficult.

I was hoping someone over here could maybe help me out via Hyperlobby and TeamSpeak... I could use some training in flying in formations etc ...I'd really love to be able to participate in coop missions and even campaigns online.

thanks for any input and help anyone might have for me http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

danjama
05-04-2006, 07:35 PM
If your heavily interested you should look to get involved with squads that fly them.

Im not sure what you know and what you dont, but its really not that hard when you know what to do and start to develop your own techniques/routines.

Basics first: Make sure your using level stabiliser, are trimmed out to compensate for any slipping and u have a conversion table to work out TAS vs IAS (this is important to estimate correctly where the bombs will drop, as you input this into the bombsight.

Ok, imagin your on a heading whereby your facing your target. Now, select 80-90% throttle and keep pitch at 100% or whatever your comfortable with it at. Once your trimmed and have a nice steady speed, switch on the level stabiliser (assign yourself in controls). This will keep you level on the run in to target. Now, switch to the bomber seat using C (its the one B4 the nose gun seat) and then hit Shift-F1 to go into bombsight mode. Come back out of BS mode to familiarise yourself with the various gauges at your side. On the left of your seat, you have an Altimeter(feet) and a Speedometer. Assign keys in your controls section for increase/decrease velocity and increase/decrease altitude. Also assign a key for bombsight automation.

Now, using the keys you configured, check your speed against the conversion table and enter that into your bombsight using the increase/decrease velocity keys. Then enter your altitude in feet. Once you have these configured, go into bombsight mode if your no already there, and look into your sight. Now, you need a key assigned to bombsight elevation. Using this key, elevate the bombsight until your target is roughly just above the crosshair. Once there, hit he Bombsight automation key and leave it. On the run in to target however, expect to need to make adjustments (bombsight elevation and speed mostly). Keep the crosshair on the target although automation shud do a good job of it.

Now see how you do. Im sorry if its too long a post or unclear, im quite bad at describing things like this as their in my head all jumbled up. I hope you can get something from it at least.

sokil
05-04-2006, 07:43 PM
also read here Airwarfare guides (http://www.airwarfare.com/guides.htm)

panzerd18
05-04-2006, 08:05 PM
Can anyone tell me, can you engage autopilot level in an online game while flying a bomber?

My friend said he does it but when I push the button it does nothing as I can still use my controls

Daytraders
05-04-2006, 08:30 PM
Originally posted by panzerd18:
Can anyone tell me, can you engage autopilot level in an online game while flying a bomber?

My friend said he does it but when I push the button it does nothing as I can still use my controls

i think he means level stablelizer

Crash_Moses
05-04-2006, 09:54 PM
Right, it's called Level Stabilizer.

Welcome! Bombers rock! I was a dedicated fighter pilot until I discovered bombers and now I'm hooked. They bring a tactical element to the game that I really enjoy. We need more bomber pilots!

The B-25 (a.k.a PBJ in Marine Corps terminology) is an excellent bomber to learn with. Level bombing is a lot of fun once you get the hang of it. I highly recommend AWL_Spinner's level bombing guide to start with. You can find it here:

http://www.airwarfare.com/guides/b25_lbg.htm

However, in the PTO the PBJ was used mostly for strafing runways and enemy bases at low altitude as well as anti-shipping strikes. Tasks for which it is especially suited be sure. Skip bombing is a blast (pun intended).

I also highly recommend dive bombing in the SBD and/or D3A1. Both planes are a joy to fly.

Ahhh...it's getting late and I could go on forever. Anyway, start with Spinner's guide and let us know how you make out.

I, or some other mudmover, will be happy to answer any of your questions.

S!

Tooz_69GIAP
05-04-2006, 10:03 PM
Also, check out this thread, where I describe the functions of the various commands associated with flying bomber aircraft. It may help a little.

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/26310365/m/2291028934

tagTaken2
05-04-2006, 10:14 PM
ditto with mrsickstar, just got into level bombing with 4.05.

Problem is, the only bombsight that seems to work is the TB-3. All of the others, non of the dials seem to move when putting in alt/speed etc. The keys are all mapped correctly, I've read the guides at airwarfare, but once the sights appear in he111, b25 etc, cannot enter figures. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blush.gif

Maraz_5SA
05-05-2006, 04:13 AM
Originally posted by mrsiCkstar:
Hey everyone.

Been playing IL2 for a good while now but only really flew the fighters and did some mud moving with the IL2 and the Dauntless for example.

However I've started to become increasingly interested in flying the bombers. Just today on the zeke vs wildcat server I tried the B-25 and it felt so cool I've decided to really start learning how to properly fly those things.

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Hi, I believe I saw tou yesterday in Zeke vs Wildcat...

The B-25 in Z vs W is a very good choice, in particular as a low level attack aircraft, it's sort of a flying AAA battery for the poor Zeros, you will find common ending each sortie with a couple of Zero kills...

The level bombing thing is a bit different though, you will try to reach high altitude (4000m or even more) because AAA can hurt you, and you need a steady and safe approach to the target, so it's better if enemy fighters are not around...

Look at the map, assure you have some tens of Kms to gain altitude, so you may not want to fly to the target by the shortest pat, instead you should climb to altitude in a safe area and arrive to the target from an unexpected direction.

Engage level stabilizer as soon as you are at the planned height and pointing towards the target, then try to acquire the target in the bombsight as soon as possible (by tilting the bombsight up with the "increse sight distance" key), set in the bombsight your TAS speed and altitude (altitude minus the target's altitude actually) and engage bombsight automation.

If the target drifts right or left, correct using rudder trim.

If the targett drifts up or down, correct using "increase/decrease sight velocity" keys...
that's all. The sight will release the bombs automatically.

You might want to practice a bit offline the use of the bombsight, you can arrange a simple FMB mission where you are already at the desired height and heading, so you can save the time of climbing.

Welcome to the bombers' club!

Maraz

mrsiCkstar
05-05-2006, 06:55 AM
Thanks a lot everyone for all of your help! I'm gonna take a look at all of those guides and I'm gonna practise a lot in FMB.

One thing I had a huge problem with was the take off... when I didn't have a huge payload of bombs the aircraft would take off very nicely. but when I added bombs that would change.

basically it would start to veer to the left when I start accelerating down the runway, I would counter this with the rudder but the plane reacts very slowly and once it starts moving to the right I suddenly can't stop it and the plane keeps turning right untile it tips and the left wing touches the ground and then it's goodbye left engine.

it's really confusing me lol.

any help on that would be appreciated.

thanks again to all of you! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Daytraders
05-05-2006, 07:02 AM
i fly bombers all the time i love the B25, the enemy always chase me and i like takeing out the fighters when i move to each gunner positions, the keys all work fine for me for all the bombers tagTaken2 m8, try putting the figures in when u flying plane or even before you takeoff like i do, also if anyone wants to try and take my B25 out of the sky im usually on UK2 dedicated server after 9pm each night http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

96th_Nightshifter
05-05-2006, 07:13 AM
Originally posted by Daytraders:
i fly bombers all the time i love the B25, the enemy always chase me and i like takeing out the fighters when i move to each gunner positions, the keys all work fine for me for all the bombers tagTaken2 m8, try putting the figures in when u flying plane or even before you takeoff like i do, also if anyone wants to try and take my B25 out of the sky im usually on UK2 dedicated server after 9pm each night http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Not while I'm covering your 6 mate, was good fun last night - 1 B25 and 1 Spit takeing on the masses lol

Crash_Moses
05-05-2006, 07:26 AM
Originally posted by mrsiCkstar:
Thanks a lot everyone for all of your help! I'm gonna take a look at all of those guides and I'm gonna practise a lot in FMB.

One thing I had a huge problem with was the take off... when I didn't have a huge payload of bombs the aircraft would take off very nicely. but when I added bombs that would change.

basically it would start to veer to the left when I start accelerating down the runway, I would counter this with the rudder but the plane reacts very slowly and once it starts moving to the right I suddenly can't stop it and the plane keeps turning right untile it tips and the left wing touches the ground and then it's goodbye left engine.

it's really confusing me lol.

any help on that would be appreciated.

thanks again to all of you! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

You're welcome!

First off, push the throttle forward slowly. Not real slow but you want a gentle acceleration. I'm betting you already know this but I figured I'd cover it just in case.

Second, if you have complex engine management turned on (which you should IMHO) you need to select all engines before throttling up. It sounds like you're only giving power to one engine and, of course, that's no good. You'll probably have to bind a key to the command.

Let me know if that works...S!

Maraz_5SA
05-05-2006, 08:04 AM
Originally posted by mrsiCkstar:


One thing I had a huge problem with was the take off...

Besides what Crash_Moses, said, maybe are you taking 100% fuel?

For a medium bomber as B-25, Ju.88, He.111, etc., 50% fuel is enough for any dogfight maps I have ever seen, even 25% (usually more than half an hour of flying) can be enough in some maps.

Taking less fuel makes a huge difference in takeoff and climb


Maraz

mrsiCkstar
05-05-2006, 08:45 AM
I made sure to apply power to both engines at the same time. but I'm not sure about my fuel load and my take off method was to spool up to 110% and then take the chocks away... so maybe that's what was wrong.

I'm gonna go try some take offs

BTW I downloaded Spinner's guide from airwarfare and it's great! just tried one of the practise missions ...I didn't hit the planes but atleast I hit the runway... that's a start lol.

Maraz_5SA
05-05-2006, 09:42 AM
Good job for a beginner! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I encourage you to acquire practice of the "automated" mode (described in Spinner's excellent guide), that is more precise. Don't get discouraged by all those reasoning about IAS and TAS and the bug that is told to be present in the B-25 bombsight: you only need to know a rough estimate of TAS; you will adjust it by tracking the target in the crosshairs.

I also found that you don't have to disengage the bombsight automation (as described in the guide) when you correct the bombsight velocity while tracking the target. This makes tracking the target very easy.

Maraz

mrsiCkstar
05-05-2006, 09:47 AM
yeah I'm practising automated bombing right now... man the level stabilizer is sweet. I didn't even know one existed lol... makes the approach easier.

BTW I got my take offs sorted... it was the fuel load that was the problem.

thanks again everyone... a little later today I'm gonna go to HL and see if I can fly some bombing missions with someone.

Daytraders
05-05-2006, 10:16 AM
Originally posted by 96th_Nightshifter:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Daytraders:
i fly bombers all the time i love the B25, the enemy always chase me and i like takeing out the fighters when i move to each gunner positions, the keys all work fine for me for all the bombers tagTaken2 m8, try putting the figures in when u flying plane or even before you takeoff like i do, also if anyone wants to try and take my B25 out of the sky im usually on UK2 dedicated server after 9pm each night http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Not while I'm covering your 6 mate, was good fun last night - 1 B25 and 1 Spit takeing on the masses lol </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

yes was great fun m8 i like haveing a escort makes me feel important hehe

Crash_Moses
05-05-2006, 10:41 AM
Originally posted by mrsiCkstar:
yeah I'm practising automated bombing right now... man the level stabilizer is sweet. I didn't even know one existed lol... makes the approach easier.

BTW I got my take offs sorted... it was the fuel load that was the problem.

thanks again everyone... a little later today I'm gonna go to HL and see if I can fly some bombing missions with someone.

Great stuff! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

I highly recommend the PacificConflict server on HL. They have great maps, objective oriented with plenty of ground targets to blow up! I spend most of my online time there. Gonna try and be there tonight probably sometime after 7 p.m. EST. Earlier if I can.

S!

Speedfellow
05-05-2006, 12:23 PM
In the B25 if its veering to one side either both engines arent selected or as I have found on some maps that if you lock the tail wheel it veers to one side and crashes

Crash_Moses
05-05-2006, 12:33 PM
lol...B-25 has tricycle landing gear. No tail wheel...although sometimes I wish it had an arresting hook.

S!

Speedfellow
05-05-2006, 01:27 PM
"lol...B-25 has tricycle landing gear. No tail wheel...although sometimes I wish it had an arresting hook."

True !! however if you hit the tail wheel lock button it will report tail locked and thats when you have problems taking off http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Crash_Moses
05-05-2006, 02:33 PM
hmmm....I wonder if it locks the front wheel? I shall have to play with this further! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

S!

mrsiCkstar
05-05-2006, 02:46 PM
I always lock the tail wheel for take off because I don't wanna slide all over the runway... it didn't even occur to me that the B-25 has a nose wheel and no tail wheel... damn.

Speedfellow
05-05-2006, 04:02 PM
AH HA !!! Hopefully the case is solved http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Crash_Moses
05-05-2006, 05:41 PM
Originally posted by Speedfellow:
"lol...B-25 has tricycle landing gear. No tail wheel...although sometimes I wish it had an arresting hook."

True !! however if you hit the tail wheel lock button it will report tail locked and thats when you have problems taking off http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

I'll be damned! I get half-way down the runway and "bloop" I'm all over the place...lol. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Too funny...

Thanks, Speedfellow! S!

Speedfellow
05-06-2006, 01:49 AM
HEHE !! No prob, This one caught me and a few of the guys out.

RSS-Martin
05-06-2006, 06:44 PM
Oh there are other bombers that are also fun to fly! My favorite is the G4M1-11 great for low level torpedo attacks. It also can keep most fighters at a distance. Love flying it at ubi on the Oahu map.
http://sil40.hp.infoseek.co.jp/img005.gif

MucusG
05-07-2006, 06:24 AM
Hi guys, you bomber drivers have gotten me interested in this stuff, only really flown fighter and il2 before.

How cranky was I getting when the ^%#$%^#%^ level stabiliser wouldnt function http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif. Took me 2 hours (yes I am thick and stubborn) to realise that level autopilot and level stabiliser are not the same thing http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Have now spent another 2 hours dropping bombs closer and closer to stuff. Finally mostly hit. This is loads of fun. I suspect it may be a bit harder when there are fighter and flak and other badness trying to get you http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

May well see some of you online in my bomber http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

danjama
05-07-2006, 07:51 AM
Originally posted by MucusG:
I suspect it may be a bit harder when there are fighter and flak and other badness trying to get you http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

May well see some of you online in my bomber http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

It is also alot more fun with things shootin at you and such, especially when u have friends in the gunner seats! I am tellin you u have to get people in the bomber with you, its so cool!!!!!!!!

Black_Spartans
05-07-2006, 08:41 AM
here is a movie for lvl bombing if u need it.
http://www.darts-page.com/movies/B25_Training_Video_for_IL2.zip

RSS-Martin
05-07-2006, 08:46 AM
Yes wait until they start shooting at you! Low level torpedo runs against US carriers and their support ships is a wild ride! Can´t be water shy! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
http://sil40.hp.infoseek.co.jp/img005.gif

Nimits
05-07-2006, 12:41 PM
Took me 2 hours (yes I am thick and stubborn) to realise that level autopilot and level stabiliser are not the same thing

I've had Forgotten Battles since the first week it came out, and I just figured that out this week . . .

Crash_Moses
05-07-2006, 04:12 PM
Hehehehe.....more converts! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

ICDP
05-07-2006, 05:03 PM
If you are good with numbers you can convert IAS to TAS fairly quickly. Just add 2% of your IAS for every 1,000 feet altitude. So if you are flying at 300kph IAS at 15,000ft you would add 90kph (6x15) to your IAS giving a speed of 390kph TAS. This is very useful for the Pe2 manual bombsite.

For the automatic bombsites I just line up the bomber and adjust the bomsight to the correct altitude. When I approach the target I lock the sight to the target and adjust the speed for the bombsight until the crosshairs stay perfectly on target. I get perfect hits almost everytime using this method and I never need to know the TAS for the given altitude. Just adjust the bombsight speed until the crosshairs stay perfectly on target and your speed is perfect.

tagTaken2
05-07-2006, 06:20 PM
Embarrassing admission€¦. The sights work fine. I disabled the hud text so long ago I€d actually had no idea what the guides were referring to with €œthe digital display€, had been doing with the 3d dials. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

Still dislike the text, instruments mostly work so it's an immersion killer for me.

Daytraders
05-07-2006, 07:52 PM
Originally posted by ICDP:
If you are good with numbers you can convert IAS to TAS fairly quickly. Just add 2% of your IAS for every 1,000 feet altitude. So if you are flying at 300kph IAS at 15,000ft you would add 90kph (6x15) to your IAS giving a speed of 390kph TAS. This is very useful for the Pe2 manual bombsite.


For the automatic bombsites I just line up the bomber and adjust the bomsight to the correct altitude. When I approach the target I lock the sight to the target and adjust the speed for the bombsight until the crosshairs stay perfectly on target. I get perfect hits almost everytime using this method and I never need to know the TAS for the given altitude. Just adjust the bombsight speed until the crosshairs stay perfectly on target and your speed is perfect.

but will that work also for the B25 with the bug ?

Crash_Moses
05-07-2006, 09:39 PM
Originally posted by Daytraders:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ICDP:
If you are good with numbers you can convert IAS to TAS fairly quickly. Just add 2% of your IAS for every 1,000 feet altitude. So if you are flying at 300kph IAS at 15,000ft you would add 90kph (6x15) to your IAS giving a speed of 390kph TAS. This is very useful for the Pe2 manual bombsite.


For the automatic bombsites I just line up the bomber and adjust the bomsight to the correct altitude. When I approach the target I lock the sight to the target and adjust the speed for the bombsight until the crosshairs stay perfectly on target. I get perfect hits almost everytime using this method and I never need to know the TAS for the given altitude. Just adjust the bombsight speed until the crosshairs stay perfectly on target and your speed is perfect.

but will that work also for the B25 with the bug ? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, the B-25 bug doesn't effect this method. But if you hop into wonder woman view (perish the thought!) you'll notice that your TAS won't match the speed you've inputed into the bombsight.

S!

Tooz_69GIAP
05-07-2006, 09:54 PM
The reason for the B-25 speed discrepancy is that your IAS is in MPH, but when inputting the TAS into the bombsite, you need to calculate TAS in Knots!! Strange bug, but there you go.