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Monoceroz
06-13-2005, 02:13 AM
Yep, I got to walk right up to one today at a small airshow in PA and to my amazement, it actually flew! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif They also had an Avenger and Hellcat, although the Hellcat didn't fly. IL-2's a great game, but it just doesn't come close to replicating the noise and sense of power these planes generated when they started their engines.

Here's a very small sample of the pics I took...
http://img202.echo.cx/img202/4175/0027is.jpg
http://img218.echo.cx/img218/554/0035ab.jpg
http://img218.echo.cx/img218/9011/0079sf.jpg
http://img218.echo.cx/img218/9902/0090ic.jpg
http://img218.echo.cx/img218/6474/0103lr.jpg
http://img221.echo.cx/img221/7537/0113cs.jpg
http://img155.echo.cx/img155/5880/0135wn.jpg
http://img155.echo.cx/img155/7527/0272ht.jpg
http://img155.echo.cx/img155/7348/0286sz.jpg
http://img155.echo.cx/img155/1879/0290sg.jpg
http://img155.echo.cx/img155/514/0319nj.jpg
http://img222.echo.cx/img222/8903/0395qm.jpg

Plus you guys may get a kick out of this...
http://img155.echo.cx/img155/6062/0348gc.jpg

Monoceroz
06-13-2005, 02:19 AM
Oh, and I asked some of the pilots if they had ever played IL-2 and how accurate it is, but unfortunately they hadn't specificially heard of it. These guys didn't strike me as computer gamers.

stansdds
06-13-2005, 04:26 AM
Don't you just love small airshows? We had one at the Chesterfield County Airport, Virginia, last year and it was great. Usually the small shows have smaller crowds and you can walk right up to and touch the aircraft.

ROTS_Jason
06-13-2005, 04:48 AM
I went to my first airshow at minter field may 14th... it was great! Got to walk up and touch the "Porky II" P38! I also talked to the vet who was standing next to it... Asked him if he ever checked out the flight sim games and he said he couldnt imagine getting any satisfaction playing on a simulated game... I said well not if you actually flew the real thing lol.. He was a nice guy and let me walk up and get my picture taken next to the 38 even though it was roped off.

They didnt have any Corsairs though... It amazes me how big these ww2 planes are in real life... ****... i just love em all!

I dont mean to steal your thread but I also have some pictures from the airshow... Have pictures from inside the B17 "nine o nine" and an avenger, 109... and a few others...

BTW Monoceroz, if you dont want me postin it here just let me know and ill take it off np lol http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

http://saturdaynightthunderracing.com/temp/index2/test/air/
(56kers beware! They are big!)

Monoceroz
06-13-2005, 05:08 AM
No, be my guest.

Apparently there's only 12-18 Corsairs left in the world that can fly, and if the guy I talked to is to be believed, that one is probably in the best shape of all.

JFC_Slumped
06-13-2005, 12:24 PM
There's an absolutely gorgeous one at Duxford in England. As well as some other good planes. No P38 tho http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

http://www.acidhl.co.uk/pics/thumbnails.php?album=4

http://www.acidhl.co.uk/pics/thumbnails.php?album=5

EnGaurde
06-13-2005, 12:26 PM
such perfect form.

sexeh.

and thats the blue plane im referring to, not you. Get that smile off your face and hand off my knee.

when you think of how many times planes like this richochetted off carriers and generally were the superball of aeroplanes whilst at sea, im surprised any fly at all.

nice shots, good work.

AerialTarget
06-13-2005, 12:43 PM
Ooh! Ooh! You got to touch a Thirty Eight!

We've got two Corsairs that fly at the Cleveland airshow every year; they must be owned locally. However, I've only seen a P-38 fly once. It took off, flew the traffic pattern once, and landed.

ROTS_Jason
06-13-2005, 12:54 PM
Yeah, that p38 was awesome! Took off and flew formation with a yak9! Then a bunch of mustangs joined them... That of course was after the F16 and P51 flew in formation together! Man that F16 was cool as hell but somehow... just doesnt have the same character and badassness (is that a word? lol) as the mustang.

actionhank1786
06-13-2005, 01:38 PM
That Bf-109 is one of the Spanish built models from after the war i believe. I can't remember what they're called
Found it, it's called the "HA-1112 HISPANO M1L 'BUCHON' "
It's a 109 with a Spanish built engine

ARM505
06-13-2005, 02:02 PM
Wow! Some really great detail shots there! Lucky Yanks!

VBF-83_Hawk
06-13-2005, 03:21 PM
I love thier silly little green flight suits. I had to wear one by regulations while on fire patrol and I hated it. I think I almost died of a heat stroke long beofre I would die from a fire. WOnt see me wearing one if I dont have to http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif

Cadet_Bobo
06-13-2005, 03:48 PM
I remember an interview with Robert Conrad about filming the Black Sheep stuff. He said they had to (got to) sit in the aircraft during the taxi sequences. He said the first time they did it, he and the other actors all sh*t thier pants when they started the engines. He was very impressed by the power noise of the big radials

VW-IceFire
06-13-2005, 04:20 PM
Originally posted by actionhank1786:
That Bf-109 is one of the Spanish built models from after the war i believe. I can't remember what they're called
Found it, it's called the "HA-1112 HISPANO M1L 'BUCHON' "
It's a 109 with a Spanish built engine
Its a Spanish built license version of the Rolls Royce Merlin. I always find that part funny.

FA_Razor
06-13-2005, 05:10 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Monoceroz:
They also had an Avenger and Hellcat, although the Hellcat didn't fly.

The reason that Hellcat didn't fly is....


...it's a Wildcat!

IL2-chuter
06-14-2005, 12:19 PM
Early versions of the Buchon were powered by Hispano-Suiza engines and were designated HA-1109-J1L and -K1L. Grossly underpowered. The last version (Merlin, HA-1112-M1L) had quite a few changes from Me design (outboard guns, wing fences, wing tanks, larger wingtips) and flew on till 1955 (if I recall correctly). http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif Soooo, the first and last 109's flown in service were Rolls Royce powered . . . The Italians continued the Fiat G.55 (an inline G.50) production after the war with Merlin power as the G.59.

. . . I own a German 109 gas cap. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

actionhank1786
06-14-2005, 12:26 PM
I had a book that was all about the Spitfire and the 109, but i left it at my Uncles house on my last trip to Wisconsin. It had a whole chapter about the post war spits. Quite a bit about the Spanish Built 109s

Skoshi Tiger
06-17-2005, 12:05 AM
I've only ever seen one Corsair in flight. It happened when I was on a sking holiday in New Zealand. I was halfway down a run at Coronet Peak (? spelling), there was a sharp fall below down into a valley and the F4u came hurtling along about a couple of hundred feet below me, really close to to the mountain side.

Later on at Wanaka I saw the plane (or another one identical) in a hanger with all the cowling open.

It really made my day.

Asgeir_Strips
06-17-2005, 12:18 PM
That F4U-1D was beautiful.. I think i've seen it in Flight Journals F4U Corsair Special edition magazine..

I've only seen one (two) fly it was a Spitfire Mk.Ix (im not sure if it was the C or E version) and a Douglas DC-3 Dakota Flying in formation..

The Corsair is my favourite ww2 aircraft...

Skyraider3D
06-17-2005, 09:56 PM
Thanks for the close-up shot of the rear end of the Corsair. I will be modelling this aircraft in the next few months and it will come in handy! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

That Wildcat looks awesome in that matte paintscheme!

Monoceroz
06-17-2005, 11:06 PM
Since you guys seemed to like those, here are some more, mostly of the Corsair...

http://img81.echo.cx/img81/788/img07970uy.jpg
http://img81.echo.cx/img81/9026/img08065fm.jpg
http://img81.echo.cx/img81/3842/img08107gg.jpg (GPS upgrade)
http://img81.echo.cx/img81/2543/img08605ow.jpg
http://img81.echo.cx/img81/3980/img08634lo.jpg
http://img81.echo.cx/img81/4236/img08691oa.jpg
http://img81.echo.cx/img81/6272/img08741ko.jpg
http://img204.echo.cx/img204/2474/img08802za.jpg
http://img204.echo.cx/img204/4069/img08814ju.jpg
http://img204.echo.cx/img204/2204/img08837qe.jpg
http://img204.echo.cx/img204/604/img08953wx.jpg
http://img204.echo.cx/img204/8590/img09421vy.jpg
http://img204.echo.cx/img204/6105/img09824wl.jpg
http://img204.echo.cx/img204/3237/img09833ij.jpg
http://img56.echo.cx/img56/2901/img08623ae.jpg
http://img56.echo.cx/img56/3054/img09347si.jpg

Monoceroz
06-17-2005, 11:59 PM
Also this is pretty interesting, writeups on Ken Walsh...

http://www.acepilots.com/usmc_aces2.html#Walsh

" His first kill came on April 1, 1943, on patrol over the Russells. The Marine F4Us circled their assigned area quietly for two hours, then were relieved by some P-38s, which were promptly jumped. Walsh alerted his flight and turned them back from their homeward course to help the Lightnings. As a wild melee was taking place, the Zeros didn't notice the Corsairs in time. Walsh lined one up for a deflection shot and missed, but his wingman scored, burning up the Zero. They came undetected upon a second Zero, and Walsh hit and destroyed him.

He gained three more kills on May 13.

By mid-August, he had doubled his score to 10, when VMF-124 moved over to the newly captured airbase at Munda. On the 12th, Walsh's wingman, Lt. Johnston, saved his life by getting a Zero off Walsh's tail. Walsh had been badly shot up, his plane was on fire, and the Zero was about to finish him off when Johnston flicked him off. Walsh managed to get back to an emergency strip at Segi, New Georgia, but landing without much control, he smashed into another Corsair on the line. Both planes were lost. It makes one wonder if the Jap pilot got credit for two kills that day.

On the 15th, Walsh was flying CAP over the invasion beaches at Vella Lavella, when the fighter director warned of bogeys coming in. Some Zeros and Vals came in, and Walsh shot down two, before a Zero clobbered him, hitting his starboard wing tank. The plane could still fly, and Walsh headed for home, only to suffer an attack of vertigo and looping wildly. He was able to recover control and land safely, but the plane was scrapped and used for spares. One wing was all shot up, and they didn't have facilities in the field to change wings. But they felt they had accomplished their mission in turning back the Vals from the landing zone.

On August 30, Walsh fought an incredible battle against 50 Japanese aircraft, shooting down four enemy fighters before he had to ditch his damaged Corsair. Assigned to escort bombers headed for Jap bases on Bougainville, his plane soon developed engine problems. He landed at an advanced base at Munda, and immediately secured a replacement Corsair. He continued on, now alone, but hoping to catch up with his squadron. From his isolated vantage point, he attacked a gaggle of Zeros that were going after the B-24s, shooting two of them down. On the return he picked up a message from other B-24s, in trouble over Gizo. He flew off to help, and again downed two Zeros. But one of the Japs damaged Walsh's Corsair, and he was forced to ditch off Vella Lavella. It was his third water landing in six months.

Medal of Honor RibbonHe was awarded the Medal of Honor for this mission.

He ultimately scored 21 kills, of which 17 were Zeros. He lost five aircraft: three times shot down and the two noted above on August 15. His first combat tour in the Solomons lasted seven months, from February to September, 1943. He returned for a second tour with VMF-222 later in the war, flying the advanced F4U-4. He scored his last victory on June 22, 1945, downing a kamikaze Zero over northern Okinawa."

http://www.medalofhonor.com/KennethWalsh.htm

" During the 1 April 1943 combat Ken Walsh was able to score his first victories. Walsh claimed two Zeke fighters and one Val dive- bomber. Walsh is sure to have been involved against the large IJN attack that took place on 7 April. On this day the IJN strike force was made up of over 160 aircraft.

COMAIRSOLS, based at CACTUS (code name for Guadalcanal), sent up all of their seventy-six available fighters, which were Corsairs, P-38s, P-39s, and F4F-4s. In the ensuing aerial engagement, Airsols' fighters accounted for thirty-nine of the IJN aircraft shot down. Thirteen of this number were credited to AAF pilots, the remaining twenty-six victories went to navy or marine pilots.

Second Lieutenant Walsh became the first Corsair ace when he shot down three Zekes on 13 May 1943. Walsh was nominated for and received the Medal of Honor for his missions on the 15th and 30th of August, which were in support of the Allied assault against New Georgia.

During the action on 15 August, Walsh repeatedly dove his aircraft into an enemy formation that out-numbered his division by numbers of six to one. Ken Walsh was credited with the destruction of two Vals and one Zeke while his aircraft was repeated hit by enemy fire. The total Allied claims for this day amounted to thirty-five aircraft in two separate engagements over Vella Lavella. The Corsairs of VMF-124 claimed ten more victories over Kahili airfield at Bouganville.

In the action on 30 August, Walsh was on an escort mission for navy PB4Ys (B-24s), again against Kahili airfield. The Corsair that Walsh was flying developed engine trouble and was forced to landed at Vella Lavella. Ken Walsh "borrowed" an alert-strip F4U and took off alone. During this mission the bombers were attacked by a formation of about fifty Zekes. Walsh, having caught up with the bombers and, in a running fight, shot down four Zekes before being shot down himself near Vella Lavella. With these last victories, before his own downing, Walsh's score of twelve kills ran his total to twenty.

After being shot down himself, Ken Walsh was rescued and was returned safely. After this first combat tour, Walsh was sent back home. Back in the US, he received the Congressional Medal of Honor from Franklin Delano Roosevelt on 8 Feb 1944. With the receiving of this award and honor, Ken Walsh was promoted to Captain, effective the same date."

Treetop64
06-18-2005, 12:16 AM
Originally posted by ROTS_Jason:
Have pictures from inside the B17 "nine o nine" and an avenger, 109... and a few others...

Hey ROTS,
I actually got to fly in "Nine-O-Nine" during this past Memorial Day. That, and the same B-24 sitting next to "O-Nine" in your photo, visited Livermore Airfield in Livermore, CA, during the Memorial Day weekend. The flight set me back $400, but it was worth every penny!

Skyraider3D
06-18-2005, 08:00 AM
Thanks for the additional pics http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

EL.LOPAN
06-23-2005, 10:36 PM
Wow!! Great pics, I'd never seen such recent and high-quality pics like these.

Just the cockpit pics went missing!

Monoceroz and ROTS_Jason, congratulations for the pics.

EnGaurde
06-23-2005, 11:05 PM
from further down that page about another pilot:


The next day, he took off on dawn patrol, to catch "Washing Machine Charlie," the regular Japanese nighttime nuisance bomber. Taking off at 0500, he spotted a Jap Betty in the distance. After a long chase, he caught up, and approached the plane from his supposedly unprotected belly. To Cupp's astonishment, the bomb bay doors opened up, to reveal a cannon, which instantly hit him three times. His Corsair caught on fire;

er.... Oleg? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif