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blake0110
11-28-2010, 09:17 PM
Does anyone know the history behind the games? Was there really a brotherhood of assassins?

xerxesofthe
11-28-2010, 09:47 PM
are kidding me!!!??? the history of the game!!
no there was not a brotherhood of assassins the war beetween assassins and templars is the fiction. most of the characters [ not the 2012 ones or ezio ] are real, some of the conversations are. but you do not sound like you have played other games. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

E-Zekiel
11-28-2010, 09:50 PM
Originally posted by xerxesofthe:
are kidding me!!!??? the history of the game!!
no there was not a brotherhood of assassins the war beetween assassins and templars is the fiction. most of the characters [ not the 2012 ones or ezio ] are real, some of the conversations are. but you do not sound like you have played other games. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

Yes there was. The Order of the Hashashin. And there was an Al Mualim (by another name) as well. And the war between assassin and templar wasn't exactly uncommon knowledge in the middle ages.

Whether or not it's still going on is the question.

I personally don't think the crusades ever ended, either.

blake0110
11-28-2010, 09:51 PM
Of course the gameplay wasnt real but im talking about something much deeper. The knights templar was very real. Im wondering what the developers stumbled across when studying up on their history of the corruption of the church and knights templar secrets?

E-Zekiel
11-28-2010, 09:57 PM
I don't think they necessarily stumbled across anything. They looked at what we know, what history says, and they offered a possible (fictitious) explanation for what happened.

Personally? I think most of what they say is plausible. Especially with regard to the Truth, in AC:B. I think some of it is a little much (like the guy calling customer service and getting killed for it), but honestly? I think that control of the world shifting from worship of God to worship of money is 100% true and 100% intentional.

obliviondoll
11-28-2010, 10:02 PM
First AC, every Templar target Altair is assigned by Al Mualim was a real person.

Every one of them died during the year the game is set.

Most died in unusual/unexplained circumstances.

Most were tied by rumours to the Knights Templar, either as members or allies.

EmperorxZurg
11-28-2010, 10:12 PM
:approve:

Also, the Knights Templar was known to be corrupt for a while. They also hoarded treasure they stole from the Middle East and brought it back with them. That's why King Henry tried to frame them and disband the Templars so he could have the money and save France from debt. But he did this to like the ONE good commander of the Templar who was devout and had hidden the money somewhere Henry would never find it. No one's seen the treasure since.

But don't get the Templars wrong, they started off as good people. It was originally known as the Poor Fellow Soldiers of Christ and were made to protect travelers from bandits who went to see holy relics (like the tomb of Jesus and Jerusalem) after a while though, England and France made the Order into a militarized unit and was also used as a punishment for some prisoners to serve time in this military. That's when most suspected it of turning less devout as now they were putting anyone of any faith and of any kind in there. Thus making it less Christian and more of just a military with a cross for a logo. I know more (I have tons of books about the templars and their fights with the hashashin) if you want to know something in particular. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif

E-Zekiel
11-28-2010, 10:19 PM
They went downhill when they stopped being about honor and the common good and just wanted power - and they started recruiting people like criminals and greedy individual.

I might be wrong, but if I recall correctly, they offered criminals a way out of their punishment through service as a Templar.

blake0110
11-28-2010, 10:51 PM
I agree that they were eventually corrupt like any other organization but I think some are getting confused with the criminals getting sent to the crusades to for redemption of their sins. Knights templars were warrior monks that were very strict when it came to who they allowed in.

EmperorxZurg
11-28-2010, 10:57 PM
at first, they were VERY strict of who was let in. They even denied a king who wanted to join because they said he wasn't devout enough. But once some governments took over and made them a military branch, criminals were allowed in as a way to repay heir debt to society. Most were actually murderers. If no one had interfered, the Templars would probably still be around today in broad daylight and still non-corrupt.

recklesschords
11-29-2010, 01:42 AM
I know more (I have tons of books about the templars and their fights with the hashashin) if you want to know something in particular.

Could you possibly direct us to some of those books? This definitely sounds like something I'd want to read up on. \o/

Abeonis
11-29-2010, 06:49 AM
Originally posted by obliviondoll:
First AC, every Templar target Altair is assigned by Al Mualim was a real person.

Every one of them died during the year the game is set.

Most died in unusual/unexplained circumstances.

Most were tied by rumours to the Knights Templar, either as members or allies.

Robert de Sable actually died in 1193.

EmperorxZurg
11-29-2010, 04:32 PM
@reckless: sure, the one that I started with and helped get me into it for some more questions (but still a good understanding) of the Order was "The Knights Templar: The History and Myths of the Legendary Military Order" by Sean Martin. Another would be "Templars : The Dramatic History of the Knights Templar, the Most Powerful Military Order of the Crusades" by Piers Paul Read. I found that one to be one of the more informative ones about the inner workings of the Templars.

recklesschords
11-29-2010, 04:48 PM
@d1sturbed Hey, thanks! I'll definitely have to check these out.

scapeplan
11-29-2010, 07:33 PM
Modern Templar organizations
By papal decree, the property of the Templars was transferred to the Order of Hospitallers, which also absorbed many of the Templars' members. In effect, the dissolution of the Templars could be seen as the merger of the two rival orders.[62]

The story of the secretive yet powerful medieval Templars, especially their persecution and sudden dissolution, has been a tempting source for many other groups which have used alleged connections with the Templars as a way of enhancing their own image and mystery. [63] Since at least the 18th century the Freemasons have incorporated some Templar symbols and rituals,[4] most of which being found within a Masonic body referred to as the United Religious, Military and Masonic Orders of the Temple and of St John of Jerusalem, Palestine, Rhodes and Malta, or simply the Knights Templar. This organization exists either independently or as a part of the York Rite throughout much of the world. The Sovereign Military Order of the Temple of Jerusalem, founded in 1804, has achieved United Nations NGO status as a charitable organization.[64]

There is no clear historical connection between the Knights Templar, which were dismantled in the 14th century, and any of these other organizations, of which the earliest emerged publicly in the 18th century. However, there is often public confusion and many overlook the 400-year gap. The Larmenius Charter is sometimes used to link Masonic Templarism with the historic Knights Templar. There are many self-styled orders

From wikipedia.

Can anyone tell me if this has any importance? i'm to lazy to look at it right now.

Also,if you go to wikipedia and search knights templar yourself,it'll mention assassin's creed in the first paragraph in the legends and relics section.

EmperorxZurg
11-29-2010, 08:23 PM
for the first paragraph, I'm not sure that's true. I'm fairly certain that since the Knights Templar were disbanded in the 14th century, and the Pope being corrupt and easily blackmailed at that time, was forced to give all the Templar's belongings to King Henry IV so he could try and obtain that treasure. The Hospitaller only took in some fleeing members from the Templars.

dchil279
11-29-2010, 09:08 PM
Originally posted by blake0110:
Does anyone know the history behind the games? Was there really a brotherhood of assassins?
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d0m316
08-01-2011, 11:27 PM
the assassins were real and probably are still around hiding. who knows if ezio was real maybe he was the craters know. if you want to know for Sher. take a trip to Jerusalem you will probably find the answers there.

Mikatsuki95
08-01-2011, 11:49 PM
Both the groups are real, I doubt you could find them in a high school history book, but they did and do exist. If this war exists, I don't know that part. If it does then the assassins are getting lazy cuz I haven't seen any major assassinations on corrupt evil leaders lately. (Joking by the way)

EmperorxZurg
08-02-2011, 12:02 AM
you guys know this is a necro thread right? this entire thing has been debated quite a bit. And no, all characters in Assassin's creed that you play as are fictional. they do incorporate some real characters such as the Medici, and King Richard the Lionheart, but they exaggerate their roles and philosophies for the game. And yes, both groups have existed, and do exist. The Hashashin were the security of a small country in the Middle East. They didn't have the manpower to create an army, so they had to make everyone they had be an elite, focusing on taking out the head leader of an opposing army. Saladin went against them once and was warned by them sneaking into his tent and leaving a cake while he slept. It was to warn him that they could enter his fortitude whenever they feel like but had the decency to let him live. He left afterwards. The Templars were shut down after they were framed by King Henry the Fifth who wanted their treasure. Any survivors from the Templars folded into the Knights Hospitalier which still exists today. There are literally hundreds of books on the subject as the two were around at the same time. Although, they weren't at war in real life, in fact, the Templars even asked for the Hashashin's help once to try and take Saladin down a peg.

Chamboozer
08-02-2011, 12:54 AM
Originally posted by d0m316:
the assassins were real and probably are still around hiding. who knows if ezio was real maybe he was the craters know. if you want to know for Sher. take a trip to Jerusalem you will probably find the answers there.

Wut

LightRey
08-02-2011, 05:38 AM
Originally posted by d1sturbedme_468:
you guys know this is a necro thread right? this entire thing has been debated quite a bit. And no, all characters in Assassin's creed that you play as are fictional. they do incorporate some real characters such as the Medici, and King Richard the Lionheart, but they exaggerate their roles and philosophies for the game. And yes, both groups have existed, and do exist. The Hashashin were the security of a small country in the Middle East. They didn't have the manpower to create an army, so they had to make everyone they had be an elite, focusing on taking out the head leader of an opposing army. Saladin went against them once and was warned by them sneaking into his tent and leaving a cake while he slept. It was to warn him that they could enter his fortitude whenever they feel like but had the decency to let him live. He left afterwards. The Templars were shut down after they were framed by King Henry the Fifth who wanted their treasure. Any survivors from the Templars folded into the Knights Hospitalier which still exists today. There are literally hundreds of books on the subject as the two were around at the same time. Although, they weren't at war in real life, in fact, the Templars even asked for the Hashashin's help once to try and take Saladin down a peg.
The cake is a lie. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif


the assassins were real and probably are still around hiding. who knows if ezio was real maybe he was the craters know. if you want to know for Sher. take a trip to Jerusalem you will probably find the answers there.
*facepalm*

Black_Widow9
08-02-2011, 06:43 PM
Please do not resurrect old Threads.
Thanks

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