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Hristos
05-02-2005, 03:24 AM
Please, if anyone owns or has read "Greenhearts - first in combat with Dora-9" by Axel Urbanke, you're welcome to comment on it.

The book is rather pricey and I want to be sure before I buy it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Hristos
05-02-2005, 03:24 AM
Please, if anyone owns or has read "Greenhearts - first in combat with Dora-9" by Axel Urbanke, you're welcome to comment on it.

The book is rather pricey and I want to be sure before I buy it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

EURO_Snoopy
05-02-2005, 05:15 AM
http://modelingmadness.com/scotts/books/greenhearts.htm

Gryphonne
05-02-2005, 05:53 AM
Apart from being a collectors item (thick glossy paper, overal high quality, exclusive photos), I think the book itself is excellent.

There are a lot of combat reports and even of more interest, the book is essentially a JG54 diary.

You will NOT be disappointed. I know i handle my copy with great care http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Gryphon

SkyChimp
05-02-2005, 06:18 PM
I've got it. It's nicely appointed with lots of good information. Tons of good photos.

The quality of the books stands out. As stated, its nicely bound, on good, heavy glossy paper.

A little pricey at nearly $90, but worth it if you like that type of book.

Stachl
05-02-2005, 09:54 PM
I concur, a great book. Axel Urbanke's research for this book took some 10 years and it shows. It's my favorite unit history--and I have a few. It also has, I think, the best color fold out of an FW-190A8 I've ever seen http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.

Hristos
05-02-2005, 10:52 PM
Thank you all !

So far I've only seen positive reviews and opinions. So, I've ordered it from Amazon today.

Why this book in the first place ? Well, I've only read Weal's JG54 book, which tries to cover the whole war and the whole Geschwader. However, the most interesting part for me was late 1944 and early 1945 in the West, which Weal has given only a couple of pages to.

Fw 190A-8 color foldout ? Would that, by any chance, be Dortenmann's A-8 ? I've always admired the work of Jerry Crandall and Thomas Tullis.

Other than this book, what is your opinion on Donald Caldwell's JG26 boks ? There are few of them, so I'm not sure which one to choose.

robban75
05-02-2005, 11:37 PM
I have it! And if someone would steal it, I'd buy another copy. It's too good to be without IMO. Especially if you like to read about the pilots that flew the Dora-9. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Gwalker70
05-03-2005, 12:33 AM
I have it... great book.. I woulda paid 200 for it... ashame the Dora is porked in this game

TX-Gunslinger
05-03-2005, 01:11 AM
Oh my god, what a pleasant surprise. Did'nt even know that existed. Last two books I bought, were a little pricey (not quite $90.00) but great reads.

Thank you, thank you, thank you.

Going to Amazon now!

S~

Stachl
05-03-2005, 05:38 PM
"Fw 190A-8 color foldout ? Would that, by any chance, be Dortenmann's A-8 ? I've always admired the work of Jerry Crandall and Thomas Tullis."


Nope. Hptm. Robert Weiss, Gruppenkommandeur III/JG54, Black 10, June 1944 (also Yellow 2 is depicted on the same page). By Jerry Crandall.http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Hristos
05-03-2005, 11:47 PM
Thanks again.

Somehow I believe this book is going to increase my interest in modeling http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.

dieg777
05-03-2005, 11:59 PM
Hristos

Have you read "Alert in the west" by willi Heilmann? I have reviewed it here

http://www.airwarfare.com/phpBB2/viewforum.php?f=26&sid=b17da2da59825c7732365d6b8016ccc4

well worth a read.

Hristos
05-04-2005, 10:52 PM
sounds interesting

Hmm, where do I buy it ? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

dieg777
05-05-2005, 12:24 AM
to buy try amazon or I got it here- comes up now and again -dont know if they will ship it tho http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif
I will check my copy later to see if they have a contact for europe distribution.

http://books.listings.ebay.co.uk/Military-War_Air-Force_W0QQfromZR4QQfsopZ1QQsacatZ69487QQsocmdZList ingItemList

Hristos
05-22-2005, 04:56 AM
By now I've read through half of the book. It is just everything I hoped it would be, and more.

Pilot accounts, pilot accounts and more pilot accounts. Day to day combat description from both sides. One can almost feel the atmosphere of hopelessness - always against the odds, always at disadvantage, no rest even while on the ground, not even while riding a train home. Newbies were dying on their first missions, while old pilots survived no matter what happened.

One interesting note was a mid air collision of a Fw 190D-9 and a P-47. Thunderbolt bounced the Dora while it was taking off. In the collision, Thunderbolt was damaged and moments later crashed nearby. Dora flew on and its pilot thought of bailing out few times, but was talked against it by fellow pilots flying by. In the end, its pilot managed to land it, despite heavy damage.

Also, it is very interesting how planes were set on fire or damaged heavily with first bursts - be they Focke Wulfs, Tempests, Spitfires, Mustangs or Thunderbolts. Nowehere did Dora pilots say their armament was insufficient, not even when they were attacking American heavy bombers.

Something to think about, as here in this sim it is quite an undertaking to down a bomber with 2 Mausers http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.

Also, the book goes rather well with one of my recent models http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.

http://free-kc.t-com.hr/nino/dora3_sm.jpg

robban75
05-22-2005, 05:11 AM
Nice looking model Hristos! And yeah, that book is very very good! It's thrilling to read about Dortenmann and the other aces, how well they performed in the D-9, despite being heavily outnumbered.



Dortenmann's D-9 had a nice looking paintjob as well. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v486/robban75/Dortenmann.jpg

wcat
05-22-2005, 01:43 PM
Nice skin Robban75, where could I get it?

robban75
05-22-2005, 01:47 PM
You can get it at www.cptfarrels.com (http://www.cptfarrels.com) He makes outstanding skins! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

wcat
05-22-2005, 01:56 PM
Thanks mate! That was a quick reply http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

Hristos
05-22-2005, 02:01 PM
CanonUK also has one:

http://www.canons-skins.com//dortenmann.jpg

get it here (http://www.canons-skins.com/Dortenmann%20D9late.zip)

It is the same plane, but with Yellow 1, May 1945.

wcat
05-22-2005, 02:31 PM
Thanks Hristos, downloading also.