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XyZspineZyX
10-03-2003, 06:49 PM
Been practising shooting down P51's in my 109 ( easy -fragile engine ) when I saw this... P51 no tail (or pilot) flying straight & level at extreme AOA. Could this happen?

http://allanhall.ic24.net/P51.jpg




Tedious unoriginal philosophical statement the PITH of which is lost in repetition.

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XyZspineZyX
10-03-2003, 06:49 PM
Been practising shooting down P51's in my 109 ( easy -fragile engine ) when I saw this... P51 no tail (or pilot) flying straight & level at extreme AOA. Could this happen?

http://allanhall.ic24.net/P51.jpg




Tedious unoriginal philosophical statement the PITH of which is lost in repetition.

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XyZspineZyX
10-03-2003, 08:48 PM
I guess so, as long as the engine was running...
Kind of hard to see the extreme AoA on a screeny though /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

XyZspineZyX
10-03-2003, 08:55 PM
If that was in S&L, no. Above the stall AoA. And if the Pony was climbing, only very briefly. There'd be no to little yaw stability. Can you say flat spin?

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XyZspineZyX
10-03-2003, 11:31 PM
This is possible indeed. Even stranger things can happen! When Germany invaded our country (holland) our whole airforce was fighting the germans furiously. We had only 60 or 70 fighters, the mainstay being the Fokker D.XXI

In a dogfight, the Fokkers where always outnumbered. on one occasion, a fokker was so damaged that the germans let it bleed to death. the pilot was unconsious because he was wounded badly. The engine didn't run anymore so, the aircraft glided slowly to the earth.

The glide was so slow, the plane landed somewhere in the field, with the pilot still unconsious!! I don't remember it exactly but, I thought the undercarriage was ripped away (fixed gear) because the field was freshly ploughed. The pilot survived and fought another day.

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XyZspineZyX
10-03-2003, 11:35 PM
I would post a track but cant seem to get the link to the avi to work grrrr

Tedious unoriginal philosophical statement the PITH of which is lost in repetition.

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XyZspineZyX
10-03-2003, 11:39 PM
try this for avi

http://allanhall.ic24.net/P51%20AOA.avi

Tedious unoriginal philosophical statement the PITH of which is lost in repetition.

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XyZspineZyX
10-03-2003, 11:40 PM
Great story Platypus!/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
10-04-2003, 12:16 AM
http://allanhall.ic24.net/P51.jpg


Blasphemy! A Soviet star on the great 325th Checker Tail!

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XyZspineZyX
10-04-2003, 05:00 AM
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XyZspineZyX
10-04-2003, 05:04 AM
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http://www.uploadit.org/files/041003-P-4704_SIG%20copy.jpg


"Any information that we receive concerning the real world is carefully controlled"

XyZspineZyX
10-04-2003, 05:30 AM
~S!

Not with the vertical stab gone!



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XyZspineZyX
10-04-2003, 05:51 AM
Platypus_1.JaVA wrote:
- This is possible indeed. Even stranger things can
- happen! When Germany invaded our country (holland)
- our whole airforce was fighting the germans
- furiously. We had only 60 or 70 fighters, the
- mainstay being the Fokker D.XXI
-
- In a dogfight, the Fokkers where always outnumbered.
- on one occasion, a fokker was so damaged that the
- germans let it bleed to death. the pilot was
- unconsious because he was wounded badly. The engine
- didn't run anymore so, the aircraft glided slowly to
- the earth.
-
- The glide was so slow, the plane landed somewhere in
- the field, with the pilot still unconsious!! I don't
- remember it exactly but, I thought the undercarriage
- was ripped away (fixed gear) because the field was
- freshly ploughed. The pilot survived and fought
- another day.


I have read of a similar thing were the crew have jumped from a doomed bomber only to see it fly away into the sunset /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

And by the way why the name platypus?

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XyZspineZyX
10-04-2003, 06:18 AM
its amazing what can happen, a pilot at my club told me the engine came off the C206 he was flying and plummeted to the earth. He gave it full trim and using extreme elevator managed to put it down in a field. The end result wasnt pretty but he survived!!

XyZspineZyX
10-04-2003, 09:21 AM
Yes, intill the balance was lost.
A 109 flew from France to london after the pilot bailed out , and it was missing the tail . It crash landed in a field with modert damage . In the write up it was where they found that the germans where using fuel injectors and that was how the motor did not stall when the aircraft flew upside down for a long time.

At the first of the war the English had troubles with this and keeping up wiht the 109 in radical flight , the english had carb,s and they would cause the engine to cut out in flight .

XyZspineZyX
10-04-2003, 10:43 AM
Yes, I've landed plenty of planes in FB, with no rudder control or lost rudder. However, it's very, very hard beacuse the slightest yaw to either side and it's unrecoverable SpinCity.

When i have rudder damage, I usually take a real long time to maneuver straight to the runway and keep the speed up. It's almost always a belly landing, becuase it seems as soon as I lower my gear, the plane yaws from the drag./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Also, you're talking about an AI flight model at the moment. We all know the AI is capable of things a human pilot online is not. I've flown that AI P51 often online and she drops into a nasty flat spin if you look at her cross-eyed./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
10-04-2003, 01:51 PM
pourshot wrote:
-
- And by the way why the name platypus?
-
- No1RAAF_Pourshot
<img
- src="http://members.optusnet.com.au/~andycarroll68
- /CA-15%20Kangaroo.jpg">
-
- No1_RAAF
-

Looking at your sig, I suspect that you are from australia so, you should know what a platypus is /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

The platypus is just one of the most unique animals that live on this planet, I liked it quite a bit.

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2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye
shall be judged: and with what
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