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Hanglands
10-27-2006, 07:45 AM
Hi

First of all I have to say this will definately be my last thread on the virtues of the AB series bombs.

This thread is my third on the subject.

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10-27-2006, 07:52 AM
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leitmotiv
10-27-2006, 07:53 AM
I wonder if Heinz Knoke was using ABs in the famous 109 bomb tests described in I FOUGHT FOR THE FUHRER? Against a tight squadron box of Fortresses an AB would be lethal. For all its worth, in Martin Caiden's book on 2nd Schweinfurt, BLACK THURSDAY, he quotes AAF reports of seeing bomber 88s and even Ju 87s involved in bomb attacks on the bombers.

Philipscdrw
10-27-2006, 08:57 AM
Wow! Thanks very much Hanglands - very informative videos there.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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FlatSpinMan
10-27-2006, 09:05 AM
What was your bomb release timing?<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Hanglands
10-27-2006, 10:24 AM
Hi,

The bomb delay was set to zero.
In the Ju-88, I only used the bombsight as a guide, I released the bombs manually some where near the front of the stream.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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dogstar4000
10-27-2006, 02:24 PM
How many bomblettes are in those cluster bombs?

Cheers!

Friendly_flyer
10-27-2006, 02:54 PM
I think the British tested some "aerial mines" allong those lines, but was rather less successfull. Impressive video, I need to try it my self.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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avimimus
10-27-2006, 04:23 PM
I used to do this eye balling the formation from an 87 -you can get quite good at it. The AB1000 is generally prefered though four AB500s can work as well.

It is really very pretty to watch the bomblets fly like rain through the bomber formation (in exterior view of the B-17 - cntl+F2) at one quarter time speed.

It is really too bad that no one modeled aerial bombs (either German or Japanese) for Il-2...

Glad to see others enjoy such odd sport.

Hanglands
10-27-2006, 05:55 PM
Hi,

thanks chaps.

Im almost ashamed to say after all that, that I dont know how many or of what type the bomblets are. I did however find this

"AB = ABWURFBEH??LTER (bomblet container)
Common AB sizes were AB70, AB250, AB500 and AB1000. The bomblets used were typically SD1 or SD4 fragmentation bomblets or B1, B4 or B10 incendiary bomblets. There were also SD4HL hollow charge bomblets for anti-armour purposes." From http://bbs.warbirdsiii.com/showthread.php?s=cf2ac71ef0c...7dd46&threadid=12225 (http://bbs.warbirdsiii.com/showthread.php?s=cf2ac71ef0c748ee2afd1ccc6c27dd46&threadid=12225) I am sure that if you are interested in this subject, this post I have linked to will give you the best basis on which to base your search queries<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Antoninus
10-28-2006, 03:32 AM
From http://www.luftarchiv.de/index.htm?http://www.luftarchi...dgerate/behalter.htm (http://www.luftarchiv.de/index.htm?http://www.luftarchiv.de/bordgerate/behalter.htm)

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Willey
10-28-2006, 03:38 AM
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hening_880Sqn
10-28-2006, 06:58 AM
Is there somewhere that gives you the technical info on the bombs available? There are a number of weapon systems available for the IL2 (for example), but I'm not sure what they do or can be used for.

Thanks for any assistance.

Great video......

Flying_Nutcase
10-28-2006, 09:21 AM
Heck, you've done some awesome testing. Thankss for posting about this. Very interesting. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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ChBergstrom
10-28-2006, 12:17 PM
Dear friends,

I am happy to announce that finally, Volume 3 of Black Cross Red Star: The Air War over the Eastern Front has been published!

See:

http://www.bergstrombooks.elknet.pl/

All the best,

Christer Bergstr??m

F19_Olli72
10-28-2006, 12:29 PM
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leitmotiv
10-28-2006, 12:31 PM
Advance ordered it and it is coming next week---looking forward to it with relish!

joeap
10-28-2006, 12:37 PM
Whoah great news...excellent for all of us. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

jensenpark
10-28-2006, 12:44 PM
Yeah!

Now if we can only get a re-release of Volume 1.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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verde13
10-29-2006, 07:13 AM
Yes,please i have been hoping for a new vol 1.Can't possibly afford to get it now.

huggy87
10-29-2006, 07:32 AM
Good news. I'm sure it will be excellent as well.

Any word on a reprint of volume 1?

And are you and your publisher still planning on covering all of WW2?

MadBadVlad
10-29-2006, 09:24 AM
Excellent! Congratulations on getting the new volume published at last. I have it pre-ordered and look forward to reading it over the dark Winter nights ahead.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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mandrill7
10-29-2006, 10:17 AM
Good news: Volume IV should be ready soon as well!!

Bad news: Price jump..... aaarghhh!<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Beaufort-RAF
10-30-2006, 09:41 AM
Originally posted by Friendly_flyer:
I think the British tested some "aerial mines" allong those lines, but was rather less successfull. Impressive video, I need to try it my self.

Yep, used operationally, dropped by Harrows.

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ChBergstrom
10-30-2006, 11:38 AM
huggy87 and Jensenpark,

No re-release of Vol. 1 of Black Cross/Red Star is planned. However, in the spring of 2007, my book "Barbarossa: The Air War" will be published at Ian Allan. This book can be regarded as a revised edition of Vol. 1. See:

http://www.bergstrombooks.elknet.pl/

All the best,

Christer Bergstr??m

Boandlgramer
10-30-2006, 11:45 AM
another " must have " book.
i hope i can take it in my hands soon.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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