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klcarroll
03-01-2007, 11:27 AM
U.S. Congressman Andrew J. May served as the Chairman of the Committee On Military Affairs during WWII: .....An important position which would seem to require both intelligence and insight!

But once again, we find ourselves disappointed!

In the first 18 months of the War, one of the few things that was going right for the U.S. and her Allies in the Pacific was the relatively ineffective ASW efforts by the Japanese. Amazingly, the Japanese failures all stemmed from one incredibly simple piece of bad information: ......The Japanese were under the impression that the U.S. boats could not dive deeper than 150 feet (45 M)!! (Apparently, their "between-the-wars" boats had a max depth of 45 meters, so they assumed ours did too!)

When faced with an attacking DD, all the U.S. commander had to do was head for 300 feet, and listen to the Japanese depth charges exploding far overhead!!! The Japanese weren't catching on, because the depth finding capability of their SONAR just wasn't that great.

For the U.S. submarines, Life was GOOD, ....but things were about to change.


In his capacity as Committee Chairman, Congressman May toured the Pacific Theater in the Spring of 1943, and received numerous intelligence and operational briefings: .....and the subject of Japanese ASW failures came up in one of them.

Upon returning home in June, he did what politicians love to do: ....He held a Press Conference. During this OPEN Press Conference he made this statement; "Don't worry about our submariners; the Japanese are setting their depth charges too shallow. "

It was an incredibly moronic thing to say: .....and to make matters worse, several equally moronic news services ran the story, and several papers printed it!! (Including one in Honolulu!!!!) Within hours, the Japanese were resetting their depth charges for 250 feet (76M), and their success rate skyrocketed!

Admiral Lockwood (COMSUBPAC) was beyond furious! In a letter to Admiral Edwards, Lockwood said; "I hear Congressman May said the Jap depth charges are not set deep enough. ... He would be pleased to know the Japs set'em deeper now." (This being a quote, I have left the phrasing un-modified. The word "Jap" would not otherwise be used.)

After the War, Admiral Lockwood wrote; "I consider that indiscretion cost us ten submarines and 800 officers and men."

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So........, you're probably wondering what happened to U.S. Congressman Andrew J. May: ........Well, NOTHING because of this fiasco!! .....You see, 1944 was an Election Year, and FDR didn't need any extra controversy: .....So the whole thing was just "hushed up".

After the War, however, Congressman May was found guilty of accepting bribes to direct military contracts to favored contractors; ...and did Federal Time.

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You just gotta love our elected officials!!!!

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Kaleun1961
03-01-2007, 11:41 AM
We had a similar t-w-a-t in Canada, Pierre Elliot Trudeau, whom the media love to fawn over as "Canada's Greatest Prime Minister." This guy hated the British monarchy and its ties to Canada and the British heritage of Canada in general. During WW2 he rode around on a motorcycle wearing a German style helmet and called the Allied effort to defeat the Axis an "imperialist war."

Anyhow, to get to the point, back when the Iranians took those hostages at the American embassy, our ambassador to Iran, Kenneth Taylor, secretly sheltered a number of Americans who had managed to get away in the Canadian embassy, right under the nose of the Iranians. The conservative PM [Trudeau was in Opposition at the time] called in the leaders of the other political parties and secretly briefed them on what was really happening with our embassy. Trudeau then proceeds to be a total d-i-c-khead and asks all sorts of questions in Parliament about Iran and what were we doing, etc. which drove the people in on the secret nuts. They could not answer truthfully of course as it would have blown the secret. But Trudeau had to be an A-hole about it and ask all sorts of awkward questions, because that was the kind of guy he was. This guy had no class; he once did a pirouette behind the Queen's back.

GoldenEagle8
03-01-2007, 12:07 PM
could George W. possibly be a decendant of these people?? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif LOL http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

K_Freddie
03-01-2007, 12:25 PM
I think I'm just going to fall over and die right now....
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Decendant.. did they have GAY rights then... must have been a closet baby http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif

Messervy
03-01-2007, 12:25 PM
Originally posted by GoldenEagle8:
could George W. possibly be a decendant of these people?? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif LOL http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif

klcarroll
03-01-2007, 01:00 PM
quote:
Originally posted by GoldenEagle8:
could George W. possibly be a decendant of these people?? LOL


Hmmmm.............

Are you suggesting that back in the late 40s, Pierre Trudeau and Andrew May ................???

Ouch!!! .......Bad mental image!! .........Bad! ..........Just BAD!

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Realjambo
03-01-2007, 01:08 PM
Pierre Elliot Trudeau


Was he the guy who touched the Queen during a walkabout? Something you just do NOT do? I recall seeing him place the palm of his hand on her back as if to usher her in a certain direction. She was not amused, and it was all caught on film.

klcarroll
03-01-2007, 01:29 PM
Was he the guy who touched the Queen during a walkabout? Something you just do NOT do? I recall seeing him place the palm of his hand on her back as if to usher her in a certain direction. She was not amused, and it was all caught on film.

Yes! ......now that you mention it, I remember that incident! (As I recall, it caused a real fuss in the UK.)

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Kaleun1961
03-01-2007, 01:45 PM
I can't recall if it was Trudeau, but it would not surprise me. I really loathed the guy; even as a kid I had an instinctive disliking for penthouse socialists.

UncleRoger
03-01-2007, 04:30 PM
Hmmm. In Australia. Dunno if anyone else did it, but Paul Keating put his hand on the Queen's back, when he was PM. I remember it on the news, he was ushering her.

Major breach of etiquette and all that.

We wile away the dreary days and years in the antipodes, wishing and praying on bended knee for her return to reign over us all, hoping against hope.

So she finally deigns to visit our humble colony, and this happens. Nice work Paul. Groping our Liz. (I think one tabloid used 'grope' in a headline)

Bit of an iconoclast, was Paul. Funniest bastard we've had in parliament though.

U301
03-01-2007, 06:51 PM
That shows what polititions think about!
Power and themselves and nothing more!
They really do not represent the people, they exist only to enhance their careers!
Room 101 please the Realjambo!
KUrtz.

geoffwessex
03-02-2007, 09:13 AM
Can't we use the word "Jap"?

Don't tell the Jocks, Taffs and Paddies - all "Brits". Do Americans object to being called 'Yanks'? Or the Canadian 'Canucks'?

We'll have to be careful with our words on the Forum once we get into SHIV!

danurve
03-02-2007, 09:25 AM
.. Do Americans object to being called 'Yanks'? ..

Some probably do, you know the type, spoiled sissy silver platter sheeple. They will spew out some politicaly correct dribble and then stare at you wondering why you don't aree with them, why you haven't kissed their @ss already so they can sleep better at night in their house of glass.

Me, I could care less. Cache names are like opinions, everyone has them, and it changes nothing.

klcarroll
03-02-2007, 10:40 AM
Can't we use the word "Jap"?

I don't recall any specific prohibition in these forums; ...but I have always felt that it is better policy to avoid terminology that might offend.

One of the HUGE virtues of International Forums is the opportunity they provide to promote understanding: .....Consequently I approach posting here with that general attitude.

......And to answer some of the other questions; ....No, I have no problem being called a "Yank"! Hell, ...I've been called much worse! (I spent some time in Central America, and "Stinking Gringo Azzhole" was very popular!)

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MarkSynthesis
03-02-2007, 10:45 AM
Do Americans object to being called 'Yanks'?

As always, it depends on circumstances and context.

I was stupid enough to move to the southeastern United States for a university education (yeah, I know, the hell was I thinking?)--here, most native residents would not like being called "Yank", for various reasons. In fact, more than a few would get angry over it....

The South is weird like that.

It probably wouldn't be accurate in my case--I'm a foreign national, and only came to the United States later in my life. Calling me a "Yank", while not necessarily insulting, would be the equivalent of calling an orange a banana.

GoldenEagle8
03-02-2007, 03:56 PM
Originally posted by klcarroll:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">quote:
Originally posted by GoldenEagle8:
could George W. possibly be a decendant of these people?? LOL


Hmmmm.............

Are you suggesting that back in the late 40s, Pierre Trudeau and Andrew May ................???

Ouch!!! .......Bad mental image!! .........Bad! ..........Just BAD!

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I wasn't suggesting that! GET YOUR MIND OUT OF THE GUTTER MAN!

I was thinking along the lines of these people being his uncles or something like that.

[]_---_[] KITT
03-02-2007, 05:38 PM
Cmmon guys the congressman is a hero too.
A hero to the japanese Empire. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif