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XyZspineZyX
06-22-2003, 04:01 PM
Hello all. The last time I posted was many moons ago, back when Hunter was still a Mod. Im posting today out of concern for these forums. I read these forums nearly every day hoping to glean some useful information from them that may make me a better pilot. But IMHO these forums have outlived thier usefullness. Any intelligent and worthwhile questions have already been asked and answered and the only thing left to do is argue,flame, and be generally annoying.

Ive read with some amusement all the complaints about the FM on certain planes being wrong and all I can say is will one of you please take me for a ride since you must own the plane in question. I mean come on guys, the guy I bought my truck from said it pulls to the right but I have yet to see that problem. If you actually have flight expeirence in one of these planes I apologize. It just stands to reason that if the FM was so bad you wouldnt be playing the game and singing its praises as the most realistic combat sim ever.

Speaking of realistic, is it realistic to treat your fellow pilot badly just because he/she has a different opinion? Do you treat people this way in person or does the secrecy of the Internet just make you brave? I know from reading other posts that someone is bound to bring up the free speech excuse,but even free speech has its limits.

There are countless other problems I see on these boards that range from silly so and so won the war posts to Mod bashing but Ive already wrote a book. Lets band toghether and make these boards great, full of usefull, freindly posts or someday we may find these forums gone.

Thats my two cents ,directed at no-one inparticular, but if you are offended you are most likely one of the people responsible for the chaos on these boards.

Let the Flames and the IBTL's begin!!

XyZspineZyX
06-22-2003, 04:01 PM
Hello all. The last time I posted was many moons ago, back when Hunter was still a Mod. Im posting today out of concern for these forums. I read these forums nearly every day hoping to glean some useful information from them that may make me a better pilot. But IMHO these forums have outlived thier usefullness. Any intelligent and worthwhile questions have already been asked and answered and the only thing left to do is argue,flame, and be generally annoying.

Ive read with some amusement all the complaints about the FM on certain planes being wrong and all I can say is will one of you please take me for a ride since you must own the plane in question. I mean come on guys, the guy I bought my truck from said it pulls to the right but I have yet to see that problem. If you actually have flight expeirence in one of these planes I apologize. It just stands to reason that if the FM was so bad you wouldnt be playing the game and singing its praises as the most realistic combat sim ever.

Speaking of realistic, is it realistic to treat your fellow pilot badly just because he/she has a different opinion? Do you treat people this way in person or does the secrecy of the Internet just make you brave? I know from reading other posts that someone is bound to bring up the free speech excuse,but even free speech has its limits.

There are countless other problems I see on these boards that range from silly so and so won the war posts to Mod bashing but Ive already wrote a book. Lets band toghether and make these boards great, full of usefull, freindly posts or someday we may find these forums gone.

Thats my two cents ,directed at no-one inparticular, but if you are offended you are most likely one of the people responsible for the chaos on these boards.

Let the Flames and the IBTL's begin!!

XyZspineZyX
06-24-2003, 02:18 AM
Sorry you feel that way.

As I posted on an earlier thread, I've visited other IL-2 forums and this is the best!

Although I agree that this forum has a lot of whining at the moment perhaps the FB patch will sort much of it out.

As for the flaming, well at least opinions are expressed instead of the mindless conformism I've found on other BBS's.

As for all the 'intelligent and worthwhile' questions being answered, so what? Although not a total nOOb, I still get useful info from those (oft repeated) questions.

As for the 'free speech' issue, this is the only forum where outright swaering doesn't take place. I'm no Victorian when it comes to language, but what a pleasure to find a forum I can read and my children can read along!

There may be faults, but nothing and no one is perfect.
Perhaps if you stuck around you could help contribute to making this forum an even better place.

That's my 2 cents worth.





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XyZspineZyX
06-24-2003, 02:28 AM
These forums will be useful as long as RBJ continues to post.

IBTL.

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XyZspineZyX
06-24-2003, 02:31 AM
Put your anger on complaints on a slider /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif


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XyZspineZyX
06-24-2003, 02:32 AM
Could someone lends me .02, so I can say something here?

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XyZspineZyX
06-24-2003, 02:38 AM
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XyZspineZyX
06-24-2003, 03:24 AM
I dont think they have outlived their usefullness...if they had...no one would use them....../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
06-24-2003, 03:42 AM
To a certain extent i agree with the original post. I found that after coming here for a while i could find nothing that i didnt already know. Thats when i started actually posting here, and a while later, enjoying the off-topicness that was the pilots lounge.

At the same time, as new people buy the game they will find the forums usefull, so although they have no purpose for "veterans" they do still have a purpose.

This is where i have to shamelessly plug off-topic areas.
Those areas are where the veterans go to enjoy talking to their "contemporaries" thus clearing the "on-topic" areas for the use of new comers who want to learn.



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XyZspineZyX
06-24-2003, 03:45 AM
These forums seem fine to me. I'm used to First Person Shooter forums, and geez those places are hellholes in comparison to this community. It's actually refreshing to see proper grammer and polite responses for once.

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XyZspineZyX
06-24-2003, 03:58 AM
Outlived it's usefulness huh??? Not hardly..this one thread alone blows monster holes in the whole premise of this thread........ http://forums.ubi.com/messages/message_view-topic.asp?name=us_il2sturmovik_gd&id=zdxoh

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XyZspineZyX
06-24-2003, 04:19 AM
But i like darkness! For, as it is written:

"Every man and woman is a star."
Allistar Crowly

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XyZspineZyX
06-24-2003, 05:57 AM
Thank you all for posting. I only wish you all would defend these boards as passionatly against all the flaming,post-counting, and just plain rude people who post here as you do with someone who see's an honest problem and is brave enough to state it.

As far as being better than any other forum, I agree, but if we continue to let the things we all know are wrong happen on these boards we soon will be no different.

And last but not least I would like to thank rcorporon, m preddy, BuzzU, BuzzardHead, and Samba liten for the perfect examples of truly worthless not to mention arrogant replies to this thread.

XyZspineZyX
06-24-2003, 06:40 AM
Everybody knows that only the first three replies to any reasonable topic are worth reading n any internet forum. After which the topic turns suddenly into conjecture, guesswork, opinion and ego. Which is why, probably, nobody will read this.

XyZspineZyX
06-24-2003, 11:28 AM
I'm just glad that this forum is here, and take its pro's and cons as they come. If I want something changed, I do it myself but not going to try and correct each and every post that I'd consider rude or lame or whatever. That is not my job nor am I in that position to do.

What I can do is how I post myself, and that's all I worry about.

The forums have still been useful to me. The game is a steep and difficult one. Right now I'm trying to tackle the FMB, but if it wasn't for the helpful FMB101 series and the links offered via this forum I'd still be in the dark on how to do a certain thing.

And about the complaining. I'd say that's human nature. We always want and need _something_ to complain about. And if it doesn't exist, we make it up /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif



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06-24-2003, 11:29 AM
Oh wow, what do ya know ... my script works again!

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XyZspineZyX
06-24-2003, 11:36 AM
No.
Lets talk about vulching and pings some more. I can't get enough.
I think we have barely scratched surface on why german planes or american planes are better than modeled.
This forum is going places.

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The pilots lounge was this place you could go to find some humor. Sure, there were some flame wars, but generally it was a good natured place to hang out for a laugh or two.

Then that whole war started in the middle east and a whole bunch of trolls and flag wavers showed up and really ruined the place. I thought it was necessary to close it at the time, but now I kinda miss it. UBI has decided not to re-open a new one so now we talk about vulching and pings.

XyZspineZyX
06-24-2003, 11:40 AM
lonewolf27_73 wrote:
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- And last but not least I would like to thank
- rcorporon, m preddy, BuzzU, BuzzardHead, and Samba
- liten for the perfect examples of truly worthless
- not to mention arrogant replies to this thread.



I'm assuming the humour by-pass was 100% successful?

(Another one for you)

Please lighten up./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif


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XyZspineZyX
06-24-2003, 12:36 PM
lonewolf27_73 wrote:
- And last but not least I would like to thank
- rcorporon, m preddy, BuzzU, BuzzardHead, and Samba
- liten for the perfect examples of truly worthless
- not to mention arrogant replies to this thread.



You've got a very high opinion of your own worth, haven't you?

The people that you cite were showing you a courtesy by treating your thread with humour and tolerance i.e. not telling you directly what a prize arsehole you are.

I have no such inhibitions.

You prize arsehole!/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

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XyZspineZyX
06-24-2003, 12:59 PM
Well said Commie!


Why is it that nearly every day a "new user" is popping up to complain about the forums?


Will this forum-whining never end?

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XyZspineZyX
06-24-2003, 02:34 PM
lonewolf27_73 wrote:
- And last but not least I would like to thank
- rcorporon, m preddy, BuzzU, BuzzardHead, and Samba
- liten for the perfect examples of truly worthless
- not to mention arrogant replies to this thread.



Your welcome /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif





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XyZspineZyX
06-24-2003, 03:19 PM
lonewolf27_73 wrote:

- And last but not least I would like to thank
- rcorporon, m preddy, BuzzU, BuzzardHead, and Samba
- liten for the perfect examples of truly worthless
- not to mention arrogant replies to this thread.

Uh...'scues me but these guys are just being funny. Ya know, like "sense of humor" "HA HA" stuff. You see these guys feel like they kind of know each other and so they joke around a little. That's a part of the "community" aspect of things around here. If they don't take your post with the same "grave seriousness" that you do, then maybe you need a bit of an ego adjustment.

Sure I get tired of flame wars or endless spec. and stat. laden arguments over forgone conclusions. But there's nothing wrong with a little levity.

In fact, I'd say your above statement counts as a perfect example of Troll-a-rama.

michapma
06-24-2003, 03:54 PM
You do not stop spending time with friends because you've discussed everything already with them.

Schools do not close down because they have taught the basics over and over.

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XyZspineZyX
06-24-2003, 05:27 PM
Bearcat99 wrote:

- Instead of cursing the darkness...light a
- candle......
-
-

No, it is more fashionable to light up your opponent. (KIDDING, KIDDING) /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif


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XyZspineZyX
06-24-2003, 06:05 PM
lonewolf27_73 wrote:
- Hello all. The last time I posted was many moons ago, back when Hunter was still a Mod.


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Many moons ago? A lot of us were around way before Hunter was ever a Mod. What is funny to me is half of them were saying the same thing about "these boards" back when you think it was the golden days of board-em. Take the bad with the good and don't concentrate on the bad. If you're talking about some of the humorous individuals on the board... well if they are an issue then maybe you and the like need to find your sense of humor. (If)



lonewolf27_73 wrote:
- Ive read with some amusement all the complaints
- about the FM on certain planes being wrong and all I
- can say is will one of you please take me for a ride
- since you must own the plane in question. I mean
- come on guys, the guy I bought my truck from said it
- pulls to the right but I have yet to see that
- problem. If you actually have flight expeirence in
- one of these planes I apologize. It just stands to
- reason that if the FM was so bad you wouldnt be
- playing the game and singing its praises as the most
- realistic combat sim ever.


I tend to agree with you on this point. Pointing out areas of possible improvement is one thing, but what the ORR is displaying is entirely different. Which includes disrespect. The "Mommy I want a pony" whiners that later complain, "It's not chocolate spotted" make my stomach turn. Boo-Frickity-Hoo.

These boards are very helpful overall. Some people just need to learn social skills. Including a sense of humor.

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XyZspineZyX
06-24-2003, 06:16 PM
If these forums have outlived their usefullness, then where would you post your views on them? And flaming back and forth is just talk.. ignore it if you don't want to read it.


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XyZspineZyX
06-24-2003, 06:16 PM
This forum changes each time IL2 or FB changes. Wait till the patch comes out and we'll have many more things to discuss.

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XyZspineZyX
06-24-2003, 10:33 PM
Thank you all for posting again. I may have been wrong in my attitude towards these boards, and for that I apologise. From now on Ill just start answering any posts that complain, legitimate or not, in the same way as Commie1 does. Maybe then Ill fit in and be one of the big boys!!! Hows that for humor?

XyZspineZyX
06-24-2003, 11:28 PM
lonewolf27_73 wrote:
- Thank you all for posting again. I may have been
- wrong in my attitude towards these boards, and for
- that I apologise. From now on Ill just start
- answering any posts that complain, legitimate or
- not, in the same way as Commie1 does. Maybe then Ill
- fit in and be one of the big boys!!! Hows that for
- humor?


You're still a prize whatsit, you giddy goat!/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

But you're at least beginning to see the bigger picture./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

And if you start a troll thread; don't complain about the others who join in the fun, please.

What did you expect?

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XyZspineZyX
06-24-2003, 11:31 PM
funny a new user says this, use your 1000 post name

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Good dogfighters bring ammo home, Great ones don't. (c) Leadspitter

XyZspineZyX
06-25-2003, 12:00 AM
lonewolf27_73


Your name fits you. Sorry I tried to put some humor in your lame thread. If there's anything wrong with this forum. It's guys like you.

Da Buzz
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Only the spirit of attack, born in a brave heart, will bring success to any fighter aircraft, no matter how highly developed it may be.... Adolf Galland
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XyZspineZyX
06-25-2003, 12:10 AM
My intention was not to post a troll thread, Im sorry if thats what it looked like. I may have been to harsh in my earlyier posts. I can now see some humor in the answering posts. But you have to admit that sometimes its hard to tell what is humor and what is serious.

And LeadSpitter, I dont have a 1,000 post name, and technically Im not a new user. I just choose to keep my mouth shut most of the time and apparently for good reason. I may start posting more now that I know that the flaming stuff is ussually intedended to be good spirited.

Thanks yet again for all who posted and Im looking forward to being a bigger part of this community now that I know how things operate.

XyZspineZyX
06-25-2003, 12:15 AM
If you've been reding the forum for a long time. You should know i'm fooling around 98% of the time.

Now take a peach, and go stand in the corner.

Da Buzz
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Only the spirit of attack, born in a brave heart, will bring success to any fighter aircraft, no matter how highly developed it may be.... Adolf Galland
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XyZspineZyX
06-25-2003, 12:30 AM
Yes BuzzU, I realize that now. Thanks for the peach and Ill be off to my corner now.