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JSG72
12-20-2007, 04:01 PM
Beats me http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

HayateAce
12-20-2007, 04:06 PM
B17 with Mk108s underwing?

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berg417448
12-20-2007, 04:07 PM
Do You Love it or Hate it? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Urufu_Shinjiro
12-20-2007, 04:08 PM
This is a discussion I would love to have but not currently possible: http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/7011013516

VW-IceFire
12-20-2007, 04:27 PM
I hope the people who really really want to fly the B-17 are enjoying the medium bombers of the game because the concept is the same just with two more engines and potentially more turrets.

horseback
12-20-2007, 04:35 PM
Originally posted by JSG72:
Beats me http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Now I want a flyable B-17 because I know how much it will annoy people who make gratuitously insulting posts http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif.

cheers

horseback

ElAurens
12-20-2007, 04:51 PM
I've always wanted to fly the H8K Emily.

Hopefully Oleg will get around to it in a couple of years, or an Oleg approved 3rd. party model can be added to BoB:SOW before that.

The B17 is iconic to those of us who grew up on the West Side of the Atlantic, much as the Lanc is to Brits. It is a beautiful aircraft. I'd love to fly it as well, someday in the future.

leitmotiv
12-20-2007, 04:56 PM
There are guys who fly the Wings of Power B-17s online. They just dig forming perfect combat boxes and flying. I'd love heavies for night ops in BOBSOW. Radar night intercepts. Corkscrew maneuvre. Hot stuff.

R_Target
12-20-2007, 04:58 PM
PBY or bust for me. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

ElAurens
12-20-2007, 05:00 PM
Sitting in the tailgunner's position at night, knowing there is an Uhu out there...

...somewhere.

http://www.blitzpigs.com/forum/images/smiles/superscare.gif

Col._King
12-20-2007, 05:04 PM
B-24 Liberator for me, thanks http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Dustysquareback
12-20-2007, 05:10 PM
I'll tell you right now, flying a formation of B-17's with humans is very, very different than any medium bomber action you'll get in this game.

Bremspropeller
12-20-2007, 05:15 PM
Bombers are ghey.

Bearcat99
12-20-2007, 05:15 PM
The desire for flyable B-17s is not new around here (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=search&reqWords=Flyable+B-17&exactPhrase=&optWords=&notWords=&f=23110283&subjectOnly=N&afterDate=&beforeDate=&authorName=&exactAuthor=Y&sortType=0&ptyp_poll=Y&ptyp_album=Y&ptyp_msg=Y&ptyp_count=3&x_display_post_details=1&groupType=1&search=Search).. it has actually been a topic of discussion since the IL2 days when we used to use Pe-8s to substitute for B-17s.. and there have been ways to fly B-17s out of the cockpit all along. Recent developments have made this a totally different issue. If I were you all and especially the original poster of this thread I would tread very lightly in this thread. I highly and I do mean HIGHLY recommend that from here on out posters read this post very carefully (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/7011013516) and respond accordingly in this thread. I will not lock it because IMO we are adults.... but be warned.. don't even step on the line.. because you will be banned.
Don't let this thread could go south .......

zardozid
12-20-2007, 05:50 PM
I think Oleg said that he would let 3rd party developers model four engine bombers in "BoB SoW"...But he had no plans of making them himself.

leitmotiv
12-20-2007, 05:54 PM
Well, the heck with IL-2, bring on the real deal BOBSOW with all the trimmings, which means night, bombers, radar, and good-bye to childish things!

leitmotiv
12-20-2007, 05:59 PM
Originally posted by ElAurens:
Sitting in the tailgunner's position at night, knowing there is an Uhu out there...

...somewhere.

http://www.blitzpigs.com/forum/images/smiles/superscare.gif

Yes!

Urufu_Shinjiro
12-20-2007, 06:07 PM
I withdraw my earlier post, my apologies if I come off like jerk. I thought sure this was more of the recent trolling, I'm very happy it's not. I hope this is a positive sign for the future....

MelloYello
12-20-2007, 06:11 PM
is there a release date for this bob sow??? or is that unknown atm

MB_Avro_UK
12-20-2007, 06:32 PM
hi all,

As a B-17 gunner at least you had a chance to see an incoming fighter..not that it may have helped due to the closing speeds.

But as an RAF gunner you had almost no chance. LW night fighters had superb radar direction. There were no escort fighters for the RAF night bombers.

The RAF night bombers suffered huge losses. If you joined the RAF Bomber Command at the outbreak of war there was a 95% chance you would be dead by 1945.

The RAF Nurnberg raid cost more crew members in one night than the whole of the Battle of Britain... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Just putting things into historical perspective.

Best Regards,
MB_Avro.

leitmotiv
12-20-2007, 06:46 PM
Every now and then the heavies hit back, see the photo section between page 144 and 145, photo page 21, in Boiten and Bowman's superb BATTLES WITH THE NACHTJAGD: a 75 NZ Squadron Lanc whacked two night fighters in one night (note, as well, that, like some Lancs in the winter of 1943-44, it had its nose turret removed---they were refitted when Lancs started flying in daylight again in summer 1944).

joeap
12-21-2007, 03:54 AM
Originally posted by leitmotiv:
There are guys who fly the Wings of Power B-17s online. They just dig forming perfect combat boxes and flying. I'd love heavies for night ops in BOBSOW. Radar night intercepts. Corkscrew maneuvre. Hot stuff.

Someone say corkscrew (http://www.429sqn.ca/acmem.htm) ??

AKA_TAGERT
12-21-2007, 09:16 AM
Originally posted by JSG72:
Beats me http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif If you have to ask.. Than there is no hope for you.. SAVVY?

jarink
12-21-2007, 09:31 AM
The B-17 is the shnizzle.

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Rjel
12-21-2007, 10:25 AM
Originally posted by leitmotiv:
There are guys who fly the Wings of Power B-17s online. They just dig forming perfect combat boxes and flying. I'd love heavies for night ops in BOBSOW. Radar night intercepts. Corkscrew maneuvre. Hot stuff.

Just flying fighters in formation in IL2 is tough enough. It would be a real challenge in a 4 engine heavy formation. It would look cool though.

JSG72
12-21-2007, 12:15 PM
Originally posted by AKA_TAGERT:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JSG72:
Beats me http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif If you have to ask.. Than there is no hope for you.. SAVVY? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You make it sound as though it should be one of any sane humans desires.

I am not Trolling and am pleased to hear others reasons for.

VW-IceFire
12-21-2007, 03:16 PM
Originally posted by Dustysquareback:
I'll tell you right now, flying a formation of B-17's with humans is very, very different than any medium bomber action you'll get in this game.
How so?

leitmotiv
12-21-2007, 04:22 PM
Originally posted by joeap:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by leitmotiv:
There are guys who fly the Wings of Power B-17s online. They just dig forming perfect combat boxes and flying. I'd love heavies for night ops in BOBSOW. Radar night intercepts. Corkscrew maneuvre. Hot stuff.

Someone say corkscrew (http://www.429sqn.ca/acmem.htm) ?? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeahhhhhh!!!!

leitmotiv
12-21-2007, 04:24 PM
Originally posted by Rjel:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by leitmotiv:
There are guys who fly the Wings of Power B-17s online. They just dig forming perfect combat boxes and flying. I'd love heavies for night ops in BOBSOW. Radar night intercepts. Corkscrew maneuvre. Hot stuff.

Just flying fighters in formation in IL2 is tough enough. It would be a real challenge in a 4 engine heavy formation. It would look cool though. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Exactly.

CastleBravo
12-21-2007, 05:56 PM
I'd love to see ANY flyable heavy bomber in Il-2. It's great fun to fly against a buddy of yours in a medium bomber, desperately avoiding his fighter's attacks while blasting away with your guns. Heavy bombers would bring a whole new feel to it. (And I'd like to see the Lancaster in the game, even as an AI aircraft.)

BTW, try downing US heavies with the He 111's MG FF. :-)

M_Gunz
12-22-2007, 12:35 AM
Originally posted by ElAurens:
Sitting in the tailgunner's position at night, knowing there is an Uhu out there...

...somewhere.

http://www.blitzpigs.com/forum/images/smiles/superscare.gif

Yes, a see in the dark and through anything sniper-AI driven Uhu at that!

JSG72
12-23-2007, 12:52 PM
Originally posted by CastleBravo:
I'd love to see ANY flyable heavy bomber in Il-2. It's great fun to fly against a buddy of yours in a medium bomber, desperately avoiding his fighter's attacks while blasting away with your guns. Heavy bombers would bring a whole new feel to it. (And I'd like to see the Lancaster in the game, even as an AI aircraft.)

BTW, try downing US heavies with the He 111's MG FF. :-)

Ermmmm... Like that happened in reality. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

Try, shooting a B-17 down in a Ju-87B.

DuxCorvan
12-23-2007, 01:12 PM
It also beats me why someone would want to lay Kate Moss, but there you have.

JSG72
12-23-2007, 01:58 PM
Originally posted by DuxCorvan:
It also beats me why someone would want to lay Kate Moss, but there you have.

The reasons, being? (Barring the wife and kids) http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

HerrGraf
12-23-2007, 02:08 PM
Different tastes for different folks.

Sturm_Williger
12-23-2007, 02:08 PM
I remember flying "B17 the mighty Eighth" and learning to start up from scratch using the clickable cockpit. Also learning to use the bombsight.

That was fun, but not for the instant-gratification crowd http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Not sure I'd really do it in an Oleg-sim(tm) - there's too much other action available.

JSG72
12-23-2007, 02:44 PM
Originally posted by Sturm_Williger:
I remember flying "B17 the mighty Eighth" and learning to start up from scratch using the clickable cockpit. Also learning to use the bombsight.

That was fun, but not for the instant-gratification crowd http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Not sure I'd really do it in an Oleg-sim(tm) - there's too much other action available.

I still have "B-17 The Mighty Eighth". (Bought it with my first computer.)

However I bought it because you could fly a ME 262 and Shoot down the "Main Game"

I could never fathom out the actual "Enjoyment factor" of that SIM. Hence my purchase of the Original IL2. (Which didn't include the B-17 BTW.)

Many years and many B-17s going earthwards.(I fly Blue.) http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/1072.gif(All be it at a steep learning curve.) Have made me wonder as to what is going through the mind of someone who wants to fly a B-17 mission. When reality would dictate that you could well be DOA?

Flying this Craft as such. May be satisfying.
Flying a mission over Hostile Europe. May well produce another reaction. Brown trousers. Catch 22. and all that.

Is it? Survival. Is it doing your duty within more than less favourable conditions.Or is it listening to the thrum of 4 motors instead of 2.

I Dunno. "AKA Tagert" mentioned that. "If I had to ask?"

Still, looking! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

EmKen
12-23-2007, 03:37 PM
MB_Avro,

The night bombers did have escorts. From 1943, Beaufighters released from air defence after replacement by Mosquitos flew with the bomber streams using "Serrate", an electronic device that homed in on Leichtenstein radar emissions.
100 Group expanded this work with Mossies later in the war, in particular using "Perfectos", which triggered German nightfighter IFF, giving certain hostile ID.
Roderick Chisholms' book "Cover of Darkness" is a compelling account of RAF nightfighters and RV Jones "Most Secret War" tells many fascinating tales of electronic warfare 1939 - 45.

DuxCorvan
12-23-2007, 04:59 PM
Originally posted by joeap:
Someone say corkscrew (http://www.429sqn.ca/acmem.htm) ??

Cockscrew? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

LEXX_Luthor
12-23-2007, 05:19 PM
TAGERT FOR TONIGHT interview (sim cancelled), page 2::

Cat: How will you be able to portray a night-time flying game? Won't the player get lost in a sea of black? What'll she see in-game? Will tracers have different colours, like in IL-2 Sturmovik, for example?



Eddie: This is a very common concern, but I don't believe it should be a problem. Even on a moonless night there is some light, it's just you don't tend to notice it when you're surrounded by bright lights because your night vision is ruined. If you're stuck in the dark for hours on end, you'll find that you can actually see a remarkable amount. We're going to model night adaption, so if you have a large explosion close in front, you may find that your vision is temporarily impaired. Also there will be the Aurora Borealis (we thought of it before Microsoft announced it was in FS2002!), accurate stars to allow for navigation, fire, tracers, flak, searchlights, flares, "FIDO" (a system to clear fog where perforated pipes were laid alongside runways, filled with petrol, and then set alight!), and so on. It will be far from dull!


~ http://www.womengamers.com/interviews/t4t.php

leitmotiv
12-23-2007, 05:35 PM
If I had to choose between flying yet another mission of fighters brawling like junkyard mutts, or having the choice of flying the dams mission which would mean tear-assing across Holland and Germany at nought feet in a beast loaded with a 10,000 pound bomb, jumping power lines, evading flak, navigating in pitch black and, finally, executing a tough run on the defended Mohne dam, I'd take the dams raid.

AKA_TAGERT
12-23-2007, 06:38 PM
Originally posted by JSG72:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by AKA_TAGERT:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JSG72:
Beats me http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif If you have to ask.. Than there is no hope for you.. SAVVY? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You make it sound as though it should be one of any sane humans desires. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Like I said..

hsj41
12-24-2007, 12:56 AM
I would buy B-17 III if it was made just make it real tho. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif A B-24 and B-29 flight sim game would be great too. WOW http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif

gdfo
12-24-2007, 05:43 AM
The reason that many player want a flyable B-17 is that it was the main US strategic bomber in WW2. Thats why. It would be fun!!!! Just like it would be fun to have a Lancaster or an Avenger or a Northrop Black Widow.

hsj41
12-24-2007, 06:54 AM
Only big bombers are fun to fly any bombers smaller than that naa.Il-2 1946 do need to put in a patch a [avenger] and a [b5n1 kate] to fly that would be great for 1946.Need a torp bombers how those important planes not in game.

LEBillfish
12-24-2007, 07:09 AM
TB3 ftw! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

RAF74_Raptor
12-27-2007, 07:05 PM
Just to put my two cents in and bring up and old sore I just wanted a Avenger


Oh well

Airmail109
12-27-2007, 07:32 PM
Because flying a mission with a dozen of your mates on board would be even cooler than the 4-5 mates ive flown with in a B-25

msalama
12-28-2007, 07:13 AM
there is an Uhu out there...

...somewhere.

+100000.1

Night ops ROCK. I wish we'll get them as BoB progresses. I'd just LOVE to fly the a*se off that Lancaster with a He 219 on my tail http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Or vice versa for that matter, because night fighters rock too!

Blutarski2004
12-28-2007, 08:50 AM
The REAL reason everyone wants a pilotable B-17 is that under equal conditions, i.e. -

6,000 lbs of bombs aboard each aircraft

- the B-17 will out-turn, out-climb, out-run, and out-gun any ME109.

jarink
12-28-2007, 09:21 AM
Originally posted by Blutarski2004:
The REAL reason everyone wants a pilotable B-17 is that under equal conditions, i.e. -

6,000 lbs of bombs aboard each aircraft

- the B-17 will out-turn, out-climb, out-run, and out-gun any ME109.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

That reminds me of the old story from Vietnam:

An F-4 Phantom pilot is escorting B-52s and is really bored. Being a typical fighter jock, he decides to challenge one of the bomber crews...

F-4 jock: "It must be boring flying bomb trucks. You can't do stuff like this." (he does a barrel roll around the bomber)

B-52 pilot: "Oh, yea? Well, I can do stuff you can't do, too."

F-4 jock: "Sure, buddy. Like what?"

B-52 pilot: (after a brief pause) "There!"

F-4 jock: "What did you do? I didn't see anything."

B-52 pilot: "I just shut down two engines. TOP THAT!"

WWSensei
12-28-2007, 09:40 AM
I flew the Viper. My brother flew the B-52. He was relating a hair-raising close call he had trying to bring in the BUFF with an engine failure. He was being all dramatic and making it sound like a Herculean task.

I replied,"Ewwwwww, yeah, gotta hate those dreaded 7 engine approaches. Real danger there."

He took a swing at me... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Friendly_flyer
12-28-2007, 02:02 PM
Originally posted by Aimail101:
Because flying a mission with a dozen of your mates on board would be even cooler than the 4-5 mates ive flown with in a B-25

How would you stack a dozen mates flying B-25's or Ju 88s against the same mates flying B-17s?

leitmotiv
12-28-2007, 02:06 PM
Originally posted by WWSensei:
I flew the Viper. My brother flew the B-52. He was relating a hair-raising close call he had trying to bring in the BUFF with an engine failure. He was being all dramatic and making it sound like a Herculean task.

I replied,"Ewwwwww, yeah, gotta hate those dreaded 7 engine approaches. Real danger there."

He took a swing at me... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Sergio_101
12-29-2007, 12:49 AM
Originally posted by leitmotiv:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WWSensei:
I flew the Viper. My brother flew the B-52. He was relating a hair-raising close call he had trying to bring in the BUFF with an engine failure. He was being all dramatic and making it sound like a Herculean task.

I replied,"Ewwwwww, yeah, gotta hate those dreaded 7 engine approaches. Real danger there."

He took a swing at me... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I flew in a B-17, a B-24 and a B-25. Back seat in a T-6 also.

Was fun.

Sergio

RAF_OldBuzzard
12-29-2007, 01:25 AM
Originally posted by JSG72:
Beats me http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

You evidently never flew CFS1 did you? Once the RAF662's RAF_Prune made a set of bombers (B-17, B-24, Lanc, and others)and another RAFer got the ADF system working, Bomb Runs were a staple of CFS1.

ANYBODY that flew in those days just NATURALLY wants a couple of flyable 'heavies'. Especially now that we can actually drop bombs which you couldn't do in CFS1 or 2.

JSG72
12-29-2007, 02:54 PM
As I recall. I used to fly a FW. 200 Condor in CFS1. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Purchased "B-17 the Mighty Eigth" whilst awaiting arrival of IL2.

Have to say. I am more of a fighters/action player.(More Swift/raptor than Swan/Goose).

I understand Now! Those of yous who express the B-17 flight desire.

You guys are true fliers/Stalwarts of this SIM. And I Salute! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif

Badsight-
12-29-2007, 03:38 PM
FB maps are small

you dont need slow heavy bombers in FB

Copperhead311th
12-29-2007, 05:58 PM
Originally posted by Badsight-:
FB maps are small

you dont need slow heavy bombers in FB

Well we didn't need a Badsight- either but hey we got one. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif

So why not a b-17, b-24, & a lanc?

msalama
12-30-2007, 12:19 AM
But he's right though. The maps are too small for the heavies...

Would still love to have them ehhe http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

fabianfred
12-30-2007, 03:33 AM
Read this...and you'll know why...

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c188/fabianfred537/img002.jpg

Those nationalities mixed surprisingly well, and many pleasant evenings were spent swapping tales with the men who manned the Lancaster Bombers or flew the Spitfires. One night I was with three R. A.F. men at the Club. One of them asked me, ' 'You Yanks really think you tagged out two hundred and eighty-eight Jerries on your ball bearing raid?''
"No," I replied. "We probably got a hundred, for certain, and maybe a few more. The claims get duplicated.' *
'' Those Jerry chaps don't scratch out easy, ya know.''
"You're damned right they don't! All that armor plate! Say, what's it like up there all alone over a German city at night? I think it would scare the hell out of me. *'
'' Some nights it's a piece of cake " some nights it's a rough show!'' said one.
'' The worst time is when we get caught in those searchlights! We are stone blind until we get clear of those bloody lights."
One man turned to a handsome young chap, with blonde hair and a curling mustache.' 'Bill, tell him about that night you fell out of the open hatch."
Bill wasn' t eager to talk about it, but after some persuasion, he began: ' * We were in a Wellington Bomber, ya know. The rear entry hatch cover becomes part of the walk-way through the waist. I was operating the wireless when we flew through some flak and took a bit of a hit mid-ship. It banged the craft around, ya know, and the pilot called me to take my torch and see if the control cables were OK back there. I picked up my torch, but the thing wouldn' t light up. I stepped back into the waist, flicking the switch, and dropped out into bloody space. The flak had knocked off the hatch cover! I grabbed the rim of the hatch with one hand and hung on " no parachute, you know."
* 'You mean you were hanging out in space with one hand?"
"I couldn't get a good grip with my other hand, and I knew I couldn' t hang on very long. The wind blast was terrific. My mike was still snapped on 'cause we have a long cord, but I couldn't talk, just gurgled and made choking sounds. The pilot heard those funny noices and rushed someone back to see what was wrong. He followed my mike cord back to the hatch, and grabbed me just before I was slipping off. It took two blokes to pull me back into the aircraft. A bit of a show, ya know!''
The temperature in the room that night was about fifty degrees, but Bill's forehead was dotted with big beads of perspiration as he recounted, for my benefit, his frightening experience. I never heard a more hair-raising tale throughout the war.

joeap
12-30-2007, 04:14 AM
Incredible story Fred. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif