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pflueger41
03-06-2009, 03:00 PM
Received this stick yesterday and very pleased with its performance. I would compare its ergonomics to the Logitech 3D pro. Very smooth on both Axis and twist rudder rotation. Spring strength was better than what I expected, stronger than my Evo but not as strong as my logitech from what I remember. No CD software was included just plug and play. I did download Joy to Key for mouse emulation and works good. For $38.00 and free shipping I thought why not give it a go, been through a couple of Logi's and my Evo was starting to spike. I know 2 days
isn't long for testing but for a budget stick I believe this maybe what many are looking for.

PF_Coastie
03-06-2009, 06:14 PM
Man, I have been watching for people to review this stick. But now your comparing it to a logitech and it has no software!
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

I am flabbergasted that it has no programming software. This is a thrustmaster stick right? WTH?

Oh well, so much for this one.

pflueger41
03-06-2009, 07:43 PM
I didn't mean to make it sound bad by mentioning logitech per say, as a matter of fact other than the pots going out after about 3 months I always thought the Logitechs felt great and preferred it over the Saitek Evo. Now the non software may be a killer for some but doesn't bother me and yes this is made by Thrustmaster.

na85
03-06-2009, 10:56 PM
He's got a point- the logitechs DO feel really really comfortable.

ytareh
03-07-2009, 12:58 AM
AND the Logitechs have the best spring (even the Cougar HOTAS has a floppy feel to the center position and only hardens up to a stiff plasticky feel around the gate/edge)...I would not go back to a weaker one and am now discouraged from buying this if it has a weaker spring...Also I have had 5 or 6 Log 3d Pros and reckon only one has ever had significant potentiometer failure...

na85
03-07-2009, 02:04 AM
if/when the pots on my logitech go I'm going to convert it to hall-effect sensors.

ytareh
03-07-2009, 02:16 AM
OOOoooohhh!That never even occured to me !I would have guessed that the cheap pots in a Logitech would have been unreplaceable and only the dearer sticks would use 'universal' ones.Please advise as Id love an upgraded Logitech stick.I did once (well several times)take them apart to for example add extra weight to the base -blutack and old lumps of metal!)

space_bandit
03-07-2009, 01:43 PM
Hi all. I've not had long to use my T 16000m, previous stick was a saitek cyborg 3d.
I like the feel, it's a little stiffer. The shaft is wider which I prefer, the trigger has some slack before you make the switch which felt odd at first. I broke my previous trigger but feel this is less likely to snap! The stick can be used left handed using the supplied fittings.

Now to the H.E.A.R.T. of the matter, the positional values are very smooth and don't fluctuate like my old saitek. I still need to fine tune my movement profiles but have reduced my dead zone on the X/Y plane.

All in all I think this is step in the right direction, My only quibble is that you only get one power lever.

VMF-214_HaVoK
03-07-2009, 11:43 PM
Even looks kinda like a Logitech. Although Im sure its of better quality. Its good to see Thrustmaster giving people in the market for budget sticks more options.

http://www.valleyseek.com/image.action?imageId=166881

Product Description: The worlds first joystick to feature 3D HallEffect Technology! Offers 250 times greater precision due to 3D magnetic sensor technology Fully ambidextrous design with wide hand rest for reduced gaming fatigue 16 action switches (12 on base and 4 on the stick) Ergonomic design for optimum comfort PC Plug and play (USB) ready for immediate and hassle-free take off!

S!

Ty1on
05-19-2009, 10:46 AM
Here is my history with Thrustmaster sticks.(It's not a good one.)
First Thrustmaster was a Fox 2 Pro USB.Stick handled well,but only
Lasted 6 months.
Second stick was Thrustmaster T flightstick X..also handled well
but only lasted 3 months.
The last was the T.16000M.Excelent handleing,but duribility was
1 month and 15 days.
All these sticks broke in different ways.1st was roll left and right.
the action died for rolls both ways.
The 2nd was throttle,a wire broke off.The tiny wire and small soldering
point,with my bad eyesight left me no option but to set it aside.
The 3rd,the hall effect,lost rudder control.
As i went up in modles i got less duribility.
Thrustmasters response has been to send me an Email saying
they will have a tech contact me,,but never does.
Moveing on now to Saiteck EVO FFB.Ordered it yesterday.
Im done with Thrustmaster products.
A little history on me.
I fly Eurpoean Air War online evryday.Have been for over 2 years.

triad773
05-19-2009, 11:00 AM
Hmmm.... interesting and timely post for me.

Thanks

My Saitek Evo Force I've had for 4 years os losing centre slowly but surely and I was considering a replacement. I looked at the MS sticks, but this one with Hall sensors looks very promising http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

I'm no fan of Logitech sticks (though they make great racing wheels) but I will be looking at Thrustmaster.

Cheers

Triad

triad773
05-19-2009, 12:55 PM
Hey pflueger41- how is the fit on that stick?

I'd say I have a medium sized hand- do you think the Thrustmaster is good for a medium sized hand?

As I re-read some of the posts it sounds kind of hit or miss on the quality though http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

pflueger41
05-19-2009, 03:27 PM
I would consider my hands to be on the small end and have no problems reaching all buttons, so I think you should be fine. I've had this stick over 2 Months now and really like it. I do wish that the throttle had been a rotary knob instead of it being a slide but a very nice budget stick in my opinion.

general_kalle
05-19-2009, 04:17 PM
so whats the conclusion? im gonna have to replace my Saitek Aviator soon as its having issues that im just accepting for now.
im not going for something Saitek and i had that T.1600M insight and was aktually planning on getting that one but if it isnt as great as it seamed then i might go for something else...problem is i need a stick with twist so CH products Fighter stick wont work.

julian265
05-19-2009, 04:48 PM
That's good news for the T16000. No software doesn't bother me at all, on the contrary I prefer devices to "just work", especially after having many devices require their bloat-ware.


Originally posted by na85:
if/when the pots on my logitech go I'm going to convert it to hall-effect sensors.

I took my 3d pro apart with a view to doing the same. It would be a challenge - the pots are TINY, and there's not much space, especially on the secondary uni-joint axis (ie the moving pot).

However, the handle is easily removable, and wouldn't be too hard to adapt to another base.

Ty1on
05-21-2009, 11:47 AM
I posted here earlyer about the T.16000M flightstick from Thrustmaster.
Let it be known that they have no intintions of standing behind there product.They have given me the total run around in regards to the stick not working.Beware of Thrustmaster,seems ther gaurintee is not worth the papaer it is written on.

Roberts_701
05-21-2009, 09:06 PM
My X45 stick broke so brought the T.1600M and it works fine with the X45 throttle and quad throttle. no problems with il2 joy contol.

As for the H.E.A.R.T it is very smooth and precise i have even upped the sensetivity, AOA is a lot easier and i seem to be hitting targets a lot better.. yeah the stick doesnt make the pilot but this stick has helped a lot due to the HEART.

Durability: be carefull with the twist if you are ham fisted or even suprised in game as there is not much leeway on the twist.

Resume:it is an all round sensetive stick very precise and smooth, enough buttons to satisfy the one joystick player. The base is heavy enough so it will not slide all over the desk.

I have medium hands and the fit is fine.
yep shame the throttle is a slider.

triad773
05-22-2009, 10:45 AM
Well I got mine... somehow I had the impression it was FFB. Oh well- once I got over that, I have to say it's the best 'dumb stick' I think I've tried.

I like the heaviness of it, and I use pedals and a throttle already so I haven't had to deal with the slider/throttle yet. The trigger is a little flimsy feeling, and buttons 3 and 4 are a bit awkward to get at sometimes, but it has a good feel over all.

I just hope it lasts a few years at least http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

Ty1on
05-25-2009, 11:43 AM
Thrustmaster comes through.
Thank you for your request. In order to resolve the issue you have encountered with your T.16000M, please refer to our response herewith:


First of all, we apologize for the problem you and your friend encounter with your joysticks.

Concerning your situation, we confirm that a new joystick will be sent to the address you have registered on our website:



Once you receive this joystick, please send the broken one to the following address, in order to analyze its fault:

Guillemot Inc.
RMA: 200905250005
C/o Technical Support
5800 St-Denis
Suite 1001
Montreal, Qc.
Canada H2S 3L5

Concerning the shipping fees for sending the broken joystick to us, we will be able to issue a refund of maximum 20 USD.

Once you send us the broken device, you will need to email us a copy of the postal receipt, in order to receive the refund.

As for the problem encountered by your friend, please advise him to contact us on his own and to describe as accurately as possible the problem he encounters.

We will then be able to find a solution for him too.

Please do not hesitate to contact us back for any other questions or requests.

Many thanks to all the online pilots who helped me in getting Thrustmasters attintion
on this matter.And a special shout out to Uriah for his help as well.S! all.
Ty

Sokol__1
07-28-2009, 01:26 PM
As usual the Russian guys open one T16000.M stick:

Rudder - and throttle - use cheap pot's like the "famous" Logitreko ones:

http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/att...d=95800&d=1246364768 (http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=95800&d=1246364768)
http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/att...d=95803&d=1246365012 (http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=95803&d=1246365012)

Concrete weight? Don't afect Hall Sensor.

http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/att...d=95804&d=1246365012 (http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=95804&d=1246365012)
http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/att...d=95805&d=1246365273 (http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=95805&d=1246365273)
http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/att...d=95806&d=1246366468 (http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=95806&d=1246366468)
<a href="http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=95807&d=1246366468" target="_blank">
http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/att...d=95809&d=1246366468</a>

Note pressure switch's - like in cheap Chinese gamepad - no usual tactile switch type find in sticks - trigger and HAT use these.

The plastic pieces of gimbal don't seem very durable... and come without grease (like certain Cougars...)

The two axis (X, Y) hall sensor:
[url="http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=95810&d=1246366468"]http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/att...d=95810&d=1246366468 (http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=95809&d=1246366468)

The sensor used seen that this Melex:

http://www.melexis.com/Sensor_...Cs/MLX90333_648.aspx (http://www.melexis.com/Sensor_ICs_Hall_effect/Triaxis_Hall_ICs/MLX90333_648.aspx)

U$ 3,01 here:

http://www.futureelectronics.c...|1|,Ny:True,Nea:True (http://www.futureelectronics.com/en/Search.aspx?dsNav=Ntk:P_ManufacturerPartNumberUpsh ifted%7C*MLX90333*%7C1%7C,Ny:True,Nea:True)

They are 12 bits (4.096 positions) - digital filters increase this to 16.383 positions - so T16000...

Opinion of "disassembler:
"Good electronics on mediocre mechanics."

Sokol1

triad773
07-28-2009, 01:33 PM
Cool info Sokol-

The Hall sensors being the best part of the stick I now use that Thrustmaster for a racing sim- the added 'resolution' of the sensors make cornering and sliding much more fun and precise.

I went back to my Saitek and will use it until it falls apart I guess.

Tully__
08-08-2009, 01:33 AM
Those pictures posted by Sokol look typical of the mechanical standard of quite a few Thrustmaster items on the market. They should be OK provided you're not too brutal when using your controller, I've had a couple of other Thrustmaster procucts and haven't broken the mechanics yet.

general_kalle
08-08-2009, 01:33 PM
considering the guy who posted somewhere on first page maneged to break 3 sticks within a few months i think maybe it must have been a little heavy on the use or something... sounds a bit wild to me.

bolox00
08-08-2009, 03:58 PM
in my experience of logitech sticks it isn't the 'cheap pots' that go. i've used the usb board of 2 logitechs as an additional controller using 'proper' pots. both drifted calibration after a while- clear calibration utility works at first but needs to be used more and more frequently until useless.
to me that says it's the board electronics 'drifting' with age (18 months and 3 months)

that's my experience anyway so i don't think OP is particularly heavy handed