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Charlie901
12-20-2004, 08:12 PM
I was hoping for an expansion for BoB of the mighty U.S. 8th Air Force based in England with heavy bombers and fighter escorts.

However I'm seriously afraid this latest fiasco has put a monkey wrench into those plans. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif

Charlie901
12-20-2004, 08:12 PM
I was hoping for an expansion for BoB of the mighty U.S. 8th Air Force based in England with heavy bombers and fighter escorts.

However I'm seriously afraid this latest fiasco has put a monkey wrench into those plans. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif

WildeSau
12-21-2004, 05:02 AM
Do you mean Battle of Britain, the sim 1C Maddox Games is working on now and which should be released in 2006? If yes, I can imagine that BoB won't go that far in time - it's more about 1940 to 1941 where the main battle was taking place.

But if it's going beyond that, we still might see US planes since not all companies are making problems using "their" planes in sims.

WildeSau

TangmerePhilipp
12-21-2004, 05:04 AM
Oleg mentioned that the issues currently afflicting PF shouldn't be there with BoB.

ploughman
12-21-2004, 05:25 AM
You just wait. As soon as Rolls Royce find out half the planes have got Merlins in them all we'll be left with is a Gloster Gladiator to fight off the Axis horders. And apparrently Westinghouse want a Pop-up that says, upon a plane coming to rest:

"This aircraft brought to a safe stop by Westinghouse Brakes. Stop stopping unless it's a Westinghouse stop."

What next? This kill sponsored by Browning?

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

Spitf_ACE
12-21-2004, 05:27 AM
Hopefully there will be enough time between now and the possible expansion of BoB, to come to a comprimise, that allows the planes to be added.

lbhskier37
12-21-2004, 05:39 AM
Can't we get a few different things in the game before western front late war stuff. If you go on HL you would think that's all this game is. I can't wait for BoB just because it will be a change from all the WF servers on HL.

Chuck_Older
12-21-2004, 09:22 AM
Let's speculate about what will be an add-on for BoB after BoB is made

Rola.
12-21-2004, 10:19 AM
I was hoping that possible BOB add-ons will go in oposite direction in time: Spanish Civil War, France 1940, Mediterranen (ie: Greece vs Italy), *cough* Poland 1939 *cough*... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

How can you feel the might of Thunderbolt(TM) or swiftness of Mustang(TM), if you haven't flown extensivly on pre-1939 designs? Well, IL/FB/AEP/PF gives us few oldie birds and a taste of things to come, but I really miss a real Cr@p Planes(c) flightsim. There was once a thread on SimHQ dedicated to those oldtimers...

WildeSau
12-21-2004, 10:23 AM
I agree Rola - I think we have enough Mustangs, Thunderbolts, Lightnings, B-24, B-17 and so on. Why make over and over again the same thing?

WildeSau

Rola.
12-21-2004, 10:36 AM
Bingo. IL-2 was so successful because it was offering something new (VVS planes), when the market was saturated with Western Europe44/Pacific42 combo.

Imagine flying a training mission in Ar 68... or taking early 109 in Spain... or downing Ju 52/3m's in republican I-16... or intercepting armada of Heinkels with your P.11... or strafing Polish transport columns with Hs 123...

There are many possibilities. One of them is my project 9/39 : www.9-1939.pl (http://www.9-1939.pl) http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif
Our success would make all those things mentioned above come true.

WildeSau
12-21-2004, 10:48 AM
Hi Rola - you tell exactly what I mean. Went to your web page a few weeks ago and I am impressed. Hope you get your things into BoB - would be willing to pay fo your add on.

I really think that we have enough of American planes in flight sims - of course, one can say that BoB has been theme of many flight sims too which is correct but none that is really as good as IL-2/FB/PF. Therefore I think it's time to get BoB with add ons as yours.

Wish you much success for your work.

WildeSau

Capt._Tenneal
12-21-2004, 11:10 AM
Let's be clear now. By American planes, I'm assuming you mean the 8th air force planes. Remember there are also American "c.rap planes" that can be included. PF, for examle, could use the P-26 Peashooter. There's also the B-10 bomber, and I'm sure other pre-1941 planes that can be included in the BOB series.

WildeSau
12-21-2004, 11:17 AM
Capt._Tenneal, yes I mainly mean the planes used by the 8th Airforce. But on the other side I don't know which - if any - of the US planes you mentioned took part in the Battle of Britain. So I don't see a reason to include them there.

Of course it would be nice to see another add on for BoB like the AEP for FB which could incldue such planes but not in BoB itself.

WildeSau

Chivas
12-21-2004, 11:30 AM
IL-2 was so successfull because of the quality of the work. There is an argument on what theater would have initially drawn more people to the sim.
BOB's success will also depend on the quality of the work done. I'm sure Olegs BOB will deliver another top quality product beyond anything we've experienced before.

WildeSau
12-21-2004, 11:37 AM
that's certainly true - but an outstanding work and a theater that hasn't been brought up in any recent flight sim is what makes it a success.

Chivas
12-21-2004, 02:26 PM
I don't think it matters if the theater has been recently done or not. Rowan's BOB was ok, and CFS3 was joke. There would be very little comparison between them and BOB. It would totally amaze me if a flight simmer who's experienced the IL-2 series would pass on Oleg's BOB.

WildeSau
12-21-2004, 02:33 PM
not certainly not but focusing on BoB means that there are mainly German and British planes - at least in the first release. I am sure there will be add ons like AEP for FB which cover other parts of the war as well - perhaps the 8th AirForce and it's war against Germany out from England with all the planes belonging to that period - don't get me wrong - I would like that too. But first BoB and then as first add ons things like Rola is working on.

WildeSau

NORAD_Zooly10
12-21-2004, 03:07 PM
iirc the mustang was ordered around the time of BoB, other than that i dont recall any US planes being in the UK in 1940 (although i will probably be told i'm wrong).
~S~
Zooly

Rola.
12-21-2004, 03:31 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Capt._Tenneal:
Let's be clear now. By American planes, I'm assuming you mean the 8th air force planes. Remember there are also American "c.rap planes" that can be included. PF, for examle, could use the P-26 Peashooter. There's also the B-10 bomber, and I'm sure other pre-1941 planes that can be included in the BOB series. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Of course I wouldn't mind a BOB patch with P-26 or P-35 added as a bonus http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
(BTW, I wonder if you know that Seversky P-35 was tested in Warsaw in Summer 1939 and performed a mock air combat with PZL-37 bomber...)

We all agree that IL-2 was a milestone in terms of flightsim quality. Information from the press kits and interviews with Oleg lead us to believe that BOB will be another big step forward. I must say that I found inspiration in this: it may be a bit risky, but the prospects of new great things to come are very tempting.

WildeSau: thanks, I'm glad you like our undertaking. Don't be a stranger and join our 9/39 forum!

Charlie901
12-21-2004, 04:19 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by NORAD_Zooly10:
iirc the mustang was ordered around the time of BoB, other than that i dont recall any US planes being in the UK in 1940 (although i will probably be told i'm wrong).
~S~
Zooly <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>



Weren't some P-40's sent over early 1940 or have I been watching to much PEARL HARBOUR (The Movie!).

Sockeye45
12-21-2004, 04:38 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Capt._Tenneal:
Remember there are also American "c.rap planes" that can be included. PF, for examle, could use the P-26 Peashooter. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oohlala, the Peashooter. Add in the USS Macon and we can have some real fun http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif Sure, wouldn't fit in to BoB, but hooking onto an airship would certainly be a challenge http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

berg417448
12-21-2004, 05:58 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Charlie901:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by NORAD_Zooly10:
iirc the mustang was ordered around the time of BoB, other than that i dont recall any US planes being in the UK in 1940 (although i will probably be told i'm wrong).
~S~
Zooly <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>



Weren't some P-40's sent over early 1940 or have I been watching to much PEARL HARBOUR (The Movie!). <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


The first Tomahawk Is reached England in September of 1940 according to this:

http://home.att.net/~jbaugher1/p40_6.html

fordfan25
12-21-2004, 06:19 PM
for me as far as BoB, there are only two kinds of fighters needed ........the -4 sair and the p-47N lol http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

TangmerePhilipp
12-21-2004, 11:37 PM
I agree with Rola-go early, go slow.

That is what the market and the community in the end, needs, differentiation.

IL-2 and the Eastern Front is a great example. Nobody would be favouring had we been conducting polls and following them prior to its release!

FI_Macca44
12-22-2004, 03:19 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Rola.:
Bingo. IL-2 was so successful because it was offering something new (VVS planes), when the market was saturated with Western Europe44/Pacific42 combo.

Imagine flying a training mission in Ar 68... or taking early 109 in Spain... or downing Ju 52/3m's in republican I-16... or intercepting armada of Heinkels with your P.11... or strafing Polish transport columns with Hs 123...

There are many possibilities. One of them is my project 9/39 : http://www.9-1939.pl http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif
Our success would make all those things mentioned above come true. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I agree completely.it is time for flying some "real" virtual machineshttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gifWe have some of them already LOLhttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif P11, I153....guys,how I love those little warbirds...

WildeSau
12-22-2004, 03:21 AM
hey Rola - thanks for your invitation - will gladly come over and be a member of your forum!

S! WildeSau

scottmal1
12-22-2004, 05:15 AM
When i first saw the original il2 on the shelf i presumed it was an add-on for microsoft flight sim and thought 'i aint paying that for one plane' and stupidly did'nt even pick it up and look! when i read a write up in a magazine, i raced out and got it. Apart from the excellent review, it was the aircraft and the eastern front that appealed to me, i've also been on rola's site and i think what he's doing is very interesting and i will be purchasing his add-on when it's released, i think there is a need for interesting new planes, i started a thread the other day because there are so many people upset about not getting the 'P47-N and F4u-4?' (i think!)To me these are just variants of planes we already have, i said i would love an IL-10.

Treetop64
12-23-2004, 05:44 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Chuck_Older:
Let's speculate about what will be an add-on for BoB _after_ BoB is made <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thank you...